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Evernus [2.2 release] - the Ultimate Market Tool

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Connor McLeod
Unicorn Investment
#641 - 2015-09-20 18:34:24 UTC
Pete Butcher wrote:
Connor McLeod wrote:
Funny thing is, for let's say 2 of my 20 orders it displays a correct price, for the others not. Did I miss some option where to set the price range the program uses? In the market viewer all prices are listed correctly if I select an item I have a sell order for but when switching to the orders tab there is only shown "No Price data".

As mentioned, using the orders tab in the old Eve-Mentat program works fine and all prices and differences are shown correctly, so I am assuming I am missing something on Evemus...


No price data means there is no competitor price data imported. Did you use web import (CREST)?



Yes I did. And there are competitors but not in the same system. So I assume it is only listed if you have competition in the same system? Is there any way to select the range competitors are regarded?

Connor McLeod wrote:

Additionally I think defining the self-cost for items on a manual basis is not a viable option when exceeding a certain number of orders, because it's simply too much work with prices changing all the time. In my opinion it would be a great benefit to the tool if something like the blueprint calculator as in "Eve-HQ" or "Eve is per hour" would be implemented to do the calc work depending on skills, implants and market prices for the raw materials as well as the costs for the manufacturing process itself.

Pete Butcher wrote:

You can turn on automatic cost adding on every fulfilled buy order. I had no plans for any manufacturing features, but those seem to be requested. The problem is - I have no industrial character to test it properly atm.


Ok, my personal problem is: I don't use buy orders, I am only insta-buying stuff and putting up sell orders for the produced things.

Regarding the manufacturing and researching stuff: I can see why you wouldn't include too much stuff and think that is a good one but regarding trade, the manufacturing and/or research costs are a very important factor. They may be unimportant to station traders, but in the usual trading business they are crucial (obviously). The only way to come around implementing this (other than saying: no ;)) would be to use the imported prices as "default" prices with the option to change them manually.
But as mentioned above I am currently struggling with seeing prices for my market orders and therefore for the moment can't rely on your program - despite I would like it as the sole solution for finances ingame.

But currently it is like this for me:

Eve-Mentat : Using the transaction and corporate orders tab => Prices in orders tab correctly imported, nice overview in transactions

Eve-HQ : Only using Prism - especially the blueprint calculator because it "knows" which BPs I have with which values and displays correct market prices for materials by using eve-central

Eve is per hour : Using this sometimes for production needs. The BP calc is a bit faulty esp. regarding Invention but mining and production calc is fine.

I don't know if I am the only one with this price import problem but this is the most important reason I am not using Evemus on a regular basis. The Self-Cost and production features would be "nice to have" but most importantly the financial things should be working. Displaying some kind of graph would be a nice addition in the future to have an overview at a glance how trading activties go. (compareable with above mentioned Eve-Mentat or the long ago popular tool Eve Trader - don't know if you know the latter).

Sorry if there are many comparisons with either old or currently active programs by other devs, but I think one hasn't to reinvent all features if they worked in other tools, "just" use/implement them. Currently I have the above three programs running plus Evemus now and then and am constantly asking myself, why there can't be one program that does all the things nicely and reliable. Would be very nice if your program would be "the One" ;)

Please let me and perhaps the whole community know how to support you - either financially or by programing skills and so on. I am sure there are many talented ppl here which would lend you a hand.
Thanks for your time and effort again.
Pete Butcher
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#642 - 2015-09-20 18:48:26 UTC
Connor McLeod wrote:
Yes I did. And there are competitors but not in the same system. So I assume it is only listed if you have competition in the same system? Is there any way to select the range competitors are regarded?


That depends on the type of order. If there are buy orders within range that outbid you, Evernus takes care of that. Sell orders are checked only for current station.
I don't know how mentat does this, but if they don't take proper range into account - it's pretty dumb, since it could be manipulated really easily. Other thing is - sometimes unusual range settings might be desirable, as I understand your case. I think it has more downsides than benefits, but it can be easily added.

Connor McLeod wrote:
Ok, my personal problem is: I don't use buy orders, I am only insta-buying stuff and putting up sell orders for the produced things.


Well, auto adding costs would treat those as completed buy orders anyway, but that's not your use case. I'll think about how this could be done.

Connor McLeod wrote:
Displaying some kind of graph would be a nice addition in the future to have an overview at a glance how trading activties go. (compareable with above mentioned Eve-Mentat or the long ago popular tool Eve Trader - don't know if you know the latter).


You have those in the statistics tab, along with the possibility of defining custom reports (+ scripting support).

Connor McLeod wrote:
Sorry if there are many comparisons with either old or currently active programs by other devs, but I think one hasn't to reinvent all features if they worked in other tools, "just" use/implement them. Currently I have the above three programs running plus Evemus now and then and am constantly asking myself, why there can't be one program that does all the things nicely and reliable. Would be very nice if your program would be "the One" ;)


That's the general idea. I don't think I'll be able to include everything you wish in the next version (especially the industry things), but I'll try.

Connor McLeod wrote:
Please let me and perhaps the whole community know how to support you - either financially or by programing skills and so on. I am sure there are many talented ppl here which would lend you a hand.
Thanks for your time and effort again.


If you have an industry character, it would be beneficial to use it for testing. I also don't mind any iskies being thrown my wayBig smile

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Connor McLeod
Unicorn Investment
#643 - 2015-09-20 19:09:25 UTC
Pete Butcher wrote:

That depends on the type of order. If there are buy orders within range that outbid you, Evernus takes care of that. Sell orders are checked only for current station.
I don't know how mentat does this, but if they don't take proper range into account - it's pretty dumb, since it could be manipulated really easily. Other thing is - sometimes unusual range settings might be desirable, as I understand your case. I think it has more downsides than benefits, but it can be easily added.

Just explaining my view with an example: I want to sell a bunch of Afterburners in my station, so I have a look at the market and take systems up to 3-4 jumps into account when calculating my sell price. If someone in my station wants to buy an afterburner he/she will have a look at these systems too and perhaps do some jumps to get a better price for the stuff. Systems further away don't usually concern me except I sell extremely expensive things, because for these ppl are willing to travel more far to spare some money. The bottomline would be: I need to be able to adjust the range, sell orders are looked at by the program in comparison to my own but they don't neccessarily have to be the same range all the time.

Pete Butcher wrote:

You have those in the statistics tab, along with the possibility of defining custom reports (+ scripting support).

Oh yes, wrong one by me, sorry.
Pete Butcher wrote:


That's the general idea. I don't think I'll be able to include everything you wish in the next version (especially the industry things), but I'll try.

Thanks in advance for considering these at least.

I do have an industry character (obviously) but am not much in T2+ production. I gladly help out but I think for extensive testing a more advanced industry char would be more beneficial than mine. Some iskies will go on their way soon.
Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#644 - 2015-09-25 20:16:02 UTC
i have this weird error where i can't uncheck the infantry equipment category in the market analysis tool

here is a screenshot:

https://gyazo.com/1a12f047b0b84679f58da495b5950e31

no matter how often i click on that blue square, it doesn't go away. works fine for all other categories
Pete Butcher
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#645 - 2015-09-25 20:22:13 UTC
Gilbaron wrote:
i have this weird error where i can't uncheck the infantry equipment category in the market analysis tool

here is a screenshot:

https://gyazo.com/1a12f047b0b84679f58da495b5950e31

no matter how often i click on that blue square, it doesn't go away. works fine for all other categories


Now that's something new. Quick workaround:

  1. Open regedit.exe
  2. Go to HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\evernus.com\Evernus\regionTypeSelect
  3. Remove "types" key.

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Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#646 - 2015-09-25 21:06:00 UTC
workaround works temporarily (as in: as soon as i click that category again, i can no longer unclick it)

thanks for now :)
Pete Butcher
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#647 - 2015-09-26 07:19:20 UTC
Gilbaron wrote:
workaround works temporarily (as in: as soon as i click that category again, i can no longer unclick it)

thanks for now :)


The problem seem to related to the fact that there are some categories there without any actual item types.

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Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#648 - 2015-09-26 16:29:34 UTC
tbh, you can simply remove the category from the tree if it's not too much of an issue. none of the items have any value to an eve player (that i'm aware of)
Pete Butcher
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#649 - 2015-09-26 16:36:01 UTC
Gilbaron wrote:
tbh, you can simply remove the category from the tree if it's not too much of an issue. none of the items have any value to an eve player (that i'm aware of)


I'm going to remove all categories without items. I wonder why ccp keeps them anyway.

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Pete Butcher
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#650 - 2015-10-01 18:32:35 UTC
New version is here with some shiny new features:

  • [new] tooltip with details on statistics graph
  • [new] graph color preferences
  • [new] inter-region market analysis
  • [new] bogus order filtering for market analysis
  • [fixed] rare crash on CREST request sending
  • [fixed] forgetting CREST endpoints on thread count change
  • [fixed] crash on editing item costs after character switch
  • [changed] retrying to fetch CREST endpoints if the server fails to respond in time
  • [changed] hiding market groups with no tradeable types in market analysis
  • [changed] reduced remaining CREST request counter in UI to stop event loop spam
  • [changed] Vanguard database

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Jitus Altus
Nurgle Shipping
#651 - 2015-10-10 11:01:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Jitus Altus
So, I might be a complete idiot, but it seems the IGB doesn't work with Corp Orders. No error messages, nothing.

edit;

http://i.imgur.com/DKwkqYP.png

http://i.imgur.com/yLBSWR3.png

Eitherway, this is what is displayed right now, The items don't even match up, which makes me think I did something wrong.
Pete Butcher
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#652 - 2015-10-10 11:35:24 UTC
Jitus Altus wrote:
So, I might be a complete idiot, but it seems the IGB doesn't work with Corp Orders. No error messages, nothing.


Anyone else experiencing this?

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Jitus Altus
Nurgle Shipping
#653 - 2015-10-10 12:48:43 UTC
Added screenshots of it's current state. Should have done that when I made the post >.<
Pete Butcher
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#654 - 2015-10-10 14:04:26 UTC
Jitus Altus wrote:
Added screenshots of it's current state. Should have done that when I made the post >.<


These are active, not fulfilled in the IGB, right?

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Jitus Altus
Nurgle Shipping
#655 - 2015-10-10 14:23:47 UTC
Pete Butcher wrote:
Jitus Altus wrote:
Added screenshots of it's current state. Should have done that when I made the post >.<


These are active, not fulfilled in the IGB, right?


Correct.

Overbid doesn't display anything whatsoever.
Dr FiLiN
No Mercy Incorporated
#656 - 2015-10-14 00:37:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Dr FiLiN
Hi there,
I seem to have an issue with fetching orders and assets:
Quote:
Fetching market orders for character ...
table market_orders has no column named notes Unable to execute statement

Quote:
Fetching assets for character ...
table items has no column named raw_quantity Unable to execute statement

Any idea how to fix this?

Regards
Pete Butcher
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#657 - 2015-10-14 04:33:52 UTC
Dr FiLiN wrote:
Hi there,
I seem to have an issue with fetching orders and assets:
Quote:
Fetching market orders for character ...
table market_orders has no column named notes Unable to execute statement

Quote:
Fetching assets for character ...
table items has no column named raw_quantity Unable to execute statement

Any idea how to fix this?

Regards


You must have had some ancient version previously which failed to upgrade for some reason. Please remove the database file. If you're running on Windows, it's in the %APPDATA% evernus directory.

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Dr FiLiN
No Mercy Incorporated
#658 - 2015-10-14 06:23:23 UTC
Thanks, that fixed it for me.

PS: keep up the good job
Dr FiLiN
No Mercy Incorporated
#659 - 2015-10-16 17:47:00 UTC
I seem to have an issue with Market Analysis, when importing data it keeps getting stuck on:
"Waiting for 10 order server replies..." or "Waiting for 0 history server replies...".
Was perfectly in order a few days ago. I tried to import less items but the problem still remains

Any idea what might cause this?
Pete Butcher
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#660 - 2015-10-16 18:01:57 UTC
Dr FiLiN wrote:
I seem to have an issue with Market Analysis, when importing data it keeps getting stuck on:
"Waiting for 10 order server replies..." or "Waiting for 0 history server replies...".
Was perfectly in order a few days ago. I tried to import less items but the problem still remains

Any idea what might cause this?


That is a problem with CREST servers. I don't want to go into the details but the bottom line is - when you hit an overloaded server, it will either stop responding or respond with an error (typically "bad gateway"). In your case it stopped responding and the requests will eventually time out. Unfortunately, there's not much you can do except decreasing CREST thread count in the preferences or waiting.

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