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Why does it cost ISK to Research and Manufacture in the POS?

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Budrick3
Moira.
#1 - 2014-07-25 16:06:55 UTC
This patch I believe is a secret troll by CCP.

On one hand they are encouraging people to go out to low, null, wh space for better production costs, and in the other hand they prevent you from manufacturing / researching anything because when you attempt to run a job, it requires access to the corp wallet.


Last time I checked, my CEO doesn't want me to have access to the corp wallet.

Also, why the heck does it costs me ISK to use my facilities at my POS? As if fuel costs were not already high enough at 500 mil a month.

I like a lot of the changes, but I have now gone from a somewhat functioning POS to a completely useless one.

Someone tell me what I'm doing wrong or how to fix this please.

P.S. I'm donating all my stuff to Orphan Annie

Aziesta
Quantshure
#2 - 2014-07-25 16:11:59 UTC
Budrick3 wrote:
As if fuel costs were not already high enough at 500 mil a month.

...

Someone tell me what I'm doing wrong or how to fix this please.

Take down your pos?
Hiply Rustic
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-07-25 16:17:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Hiply Rustic
This is a new and original line of inquiry...

Having written that completely useless smartassery...I don't know. Other than an arbitrary ISK sink it would seem that owning your own POS would prevent you being charge to do things in it. That, however, is simplistic thinking.

Ralph King-Griffin wrote: "Eve deliberately excludes the stupid and the weak willied." EvE: Only the strong-willied need apply.

Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-07-25 16:31:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Gully Alex Foyle
Possibly to make the system-activity-based cost apply to any kind of player activity? Encouraging people to set up shop in less popular systems?

Not sure, though. Maybe it was just less :effort: to code it that way. Blink

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Hiyora Akachi
Advanced Hole Theory
#5 - 2014-07-25 16:36:20 UTC
POS workers unionized and started demanding proper wages.


Its probably to make sure that EVERYONE is effected by the new cost index so people try and find lower pop systems to do their work in.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-07-25 16:40:33 UTC
Hiyora Akachi wrote:
POS workers unionized and started demanding proper wages.
Yes, this too.

You could hire Fedos instead of human workers, for -80% costs but +5% materials (they sometimes eat the materials).

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Notorious Fellon
#7 - 2014-07-25 16:42:36 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Hiyora Akachi wrote:
POS workers unionized and started demanding proper wages.
Yes, this too.

You could hire Fedos instead of human workers, for -80% costs but +5% materials (they sometimes eat the materials).


Wait, am I the only one that feeds my Fedos frozen corpses? Plenty of supply available. I even fed them my own a few times hoping we would gain a telepathic mindlink. Nothing yet, but I am still listening.

Crime, it is not a "career", it is a lifestyle.

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-07-25 16:48:31 UTC
This would all be resolved if we could maybe have an overhauled corp interface and roles system. If the manufacturing role group included the option to draw from corp wallet only for jobs...

anyway, paying a token amount for these jobs isn't an issue. You should see how cheap things are out in our wormhole system. As the only game in town, our costs are pretty darn low.

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Marsha Mallow
#9 - 2014-07-25 16:51:09 UTC
Budrick3 wrote:
Last time I checked, my CEO doesn't want me to have access to the corp wallet.

Not answering any of the rest as it has been covered repeatedly in pre-release Dev blogs and there was ample time to discuss the changes. This particular issue is being reported by a lot of POS users who don't have access to a wallet division in their corp. I haven't seen a dev answer, just a comment someone else made stating the issue has been raised and the option to pay taxes from personal wallet might be a possibility in the future. That's secondhand though and without a dev quote not to be relied upon.

Best bet, for the time being have a chat with your corp leadership and see if they can assign a wallet for member use. It doesn't require director roles. Put the ISK in on demand when starting the job, they should be able to keep it under control that way. And poke the devs for an answer in the Crius feedback thread.

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#10 - 2014-07-25 17:00:15 UTC
Endless Whimper

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Loosely based on 'Careless Whisper" by George Michael


Its been said before im sure..
Eve is dying,
And CCP’s intentions, are no longer pure..
Eve will surely die..
More tears fill my eyes..
Highsec took a deathblow in the spleen..
Now.. its time to whine..

I'm never gonna sub again..
All my stuffs, no you cant have them.
Im having trouble trying to comprehend..
Why buff highsec aint the rule..
I should have known better than to invite my friends..
And subject them all to this fiasco.
So i'm never gonna sub again..
Im going back to WoW!!!

The next release wont end
The endless whimpers of entitlement.
Highsec is no longer kind
All ISK should be mined!!!
Ill find some comfort in the fact
SC should be ready any time!

I'm never gonna sub again..
All my stuffs, no you cant have them.
Im having trouble trying to comprehend..
Why buff highsec aint the rule..
I should have known better than to invite my friends..
And subject them all to this fiasco.
So i'm never gonna sub again..
Im going back to WoW!!!

Tonight the crying is getting loud!
Tears are flowing from the highsec crowds,
Catering to them made them this way,
“I want more! gimme gimme” is all you hear them say!
Why is highsec not made any safer?
Protect me from all the suicide gankers!!
Don’t tell me how to play my game!
Go away.

I'm never gonna sub again..
All my stuffs, no you cant have them.
Im having trouble trying to comprehend..
Why buff highsec aint the rule..
I should have known better than to invite my friends..
And subject them all to this fiasco.
So i'm never gonna sub again..
Im going back to WoW!!!

Youll realize once im gone..
Youll realize once im gone..
Youll realize once im gone..
What you did was wrong!
Now ill just watch your servers die.. so long!

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

TigerXtrm
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-07-25 17:00:43 UTC
Budrick3 wrote:

Also, why the heck does it costs me ISK to use my facilities at my POS? As if fuel costs were not already high enough at 500 mil a month.


Maybe you should change fuel supplier because you're getting shafted Lol

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Chuk Ormand
Alternative Solutions Corporation
#12 - 2014-07-25 17:00:47 UTC
I was told the POS slot fees will be able to be paid with your personal wallet. There should be a fix next week. Please read my post................

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=360268&find=unread
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-07-25 17:04:24 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Endless Whimper
Awe-inspiring!

+lots, keep 'em comin'!

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Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#14 - 2014-07-25 18:25:17 UTC
1. CCP has acknowledged the wallet issue and is working on a personal wallet option.

2. get a smaller POS, and I still have to pay taxes on land I fully own right? regardless of whether i'm farming, vacationing, or hosting sexual get-togethers.

3. secondary dibs on the stuff. Especially bpo/bpc
TharOkha
0asis Group
#15 - 2014-07-25 18:27:09 UTC
just use npc station slots... they are unlimited now and still pretty cheap in some stations
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#16 - 2014-07-25 18:29:22 UTC
Because it's better balanced that way.
Jur Tissant
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-07-25 18:33:47 UTC
Your workers realized that coupons at the company store didn't constitute fair wages.
Budrick3
Moira.
#18 - 2014-07-25 18:41:21 UTC
TharOkha wrote:
just use npc station slots... they are unlimited now and still pretty cheap in some stations


Difficult to do when you live in a wh.
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#19 - 2014-07-25 18:42:19 UTC
Such a non-issue. I have a title that gives all the roles you need to use the labs. I then made a wallet division that has a small amount of isks in it that also has access from the title to pay lab fees. Problem solved.

If someone steals that small about of lab fee isks from the wallet you have just found a great member to explode in space, collect the corpse for the museum and boot their sad arse out of the corp.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#20 - 2014-07-25 18:43:24 UTC
Budrick3 wrote:
TharOkha wrote:
just use npc station slots... they are unlimited now and still pretty cheap in some stations

Difficult to do when you live in a wh.

If you live in a WH, your jobs will be ridiculously inexpensive anyway.
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