Crime & Punishment

I don't intend to find out by playing the actual game, but google helped me find this:

"There is no PvP system but, players can compete in events or mini games. There are no common rpg weapons like daggers, swords and such. Hello Kitty Online players use lollipops, brooms or other items to defeat monsters. End game provides co-op challenges."

Player cannot fight each other at all, directly. There is no player killing. The only PvP is competing to do stuff like, killing monsters with lollipops I guess? Who has the baddest lollipop of them all? Veers Belvar, that lollipop could be yours to lick

I hear that rookie systems are a nice way to not be ganked.

Damn I missed that bit. We can actually win the game? Can we create a guild there? Legion of Legendary Lollipop Lungers? That end game will be ours in no time at all! I'm tempted now.



This did cross my mind when I ganked the pod of a 9 minute old toon in Perimeter attempting to autopilot into Jita.

Well, I looked through all the responses - most were nonsensical and used strawman arguments. I thought about only responding to the well reasoned posts, but talking to myself isn't so useful. So briefly:

1) No, I don't subscribe to the concept of "isk tanking." What I do think is that there should be tools available to properly tank ships commensurate with their expense level. If my Machariel costs 3x as much as a T1 battleship, it would be reasonable to think that there are some fitting choices available to give me 3x the ehp. Instead, bigger ships tend to not have dps/ehp increases corresponding to their increased price tag. In general I would support a WoT style "penetration" system in Eve, where small destroyer/frig guns would be unable to do any real damage to a well tanked battleship. Why should 50 rookie ships with Civilian guns be able to blow up a well tanked Machariel? The system is weighted towards small ships, and lends itself to glass cannon suicide ganking.

2) Dedicated gank alts. These guys bother me, they have -10 sec status but are still able to function as gank alts in high sec unimpeded. All they need is a neutral scout to warp to. The gank alts tend to lose isk, lots of it, and need to be supported by other sources. They are not really "playing the game" they are just there to cause pandomium and try to stop other people from making isk. Generally the owner will just conduct normal activities on his main, so the -10 status of the gank alts doesn't impair his general gameplay with other characters.

3. Risk aversion v. risk management - risk aversion is a description of utility functions, specifically that people try to avoid low probability high impact negative events. In Eve this would include things like losing a multibillion isk ship in highsec to suicide ganking. Risk management refers to the tools you use to optimize your behavior incorporation your risk preferences. Suicide gank alts not flying expensive ships is absolutely a form of risk aversion. They manage their risk aversion by flying cheap gank ships and not caring when they explode. They also manage it by having an SRP in place.

I think that answers all the relevent points raised.

That is commonly known as isk tanking

Sandbox, you don't seem to understand the concept.

I'll make it simple for you. You can try and play Eve in any way you choose, so can everybody else; some choose to play in a way that interferes in the way others choose to play.

That is risk management not risk aversion.

Gankers manage their risks, by making good choices about the tools they use and how they use them. Most gankees do not, by making bad choices about the tools they use, the way they use them, and in the case of the AFK about how they play.

Ships are tools and mechanics are too, including the AP function that gets so many killed.

I remember warping into a player's mission, to steal their loot, and then they shot at me, but I then I killed their maelstrom with my mighty merlin. It was great fun! According to you, I probably wasn't even "playing the game"

I might be doing more of that thing again soon on my alt, because my main can't do that now being -10. I don't intend to rat up my sec on my main because I enjoy ganking too much. Consequences eh?

In general, I think most players in EvE would quit if CCP payed any attention to such nonsense as you are proposing. I don't even know why you are playing it to be honest, if you are fundamentally opposed to the game mechanics. Is it fun for you?

1) Then we bring more ships and switch to Vexors, Brutixes or Thaloses.

2) I started with 1 bil ISK not even a year ago. All I did since then is ganking and bumping, my wallet is now at 12bil ISK. I only manufacture equipment I use to gank I don't sell this products on the market as I can barely produce as much as I need for myself. For the point with the scout alt, would it make a difference if the scout was another player and why?

3) Are you now blaming people for using the right tool for the right job? What would be the alternative, using expensive ships to do the same amount of damage? Is the opposite of "risk averse" now stupid? blaming people for optimize a strategy in a video game of all things is kinda silly, don't you think?

Yeah I'll admit, I was hesitant to gank the player when I saw he was less than a day old, but autopiloting into Jita so early into his EvE career sealed his fate

I really doubt it was a true rookie. If he contacted me claiming to be a newbie, I'd have given him advice on how to prevent similar from occurring again, and perhaps even a little isk.

I had no contact, however I did mail him something about the dangers of autopiloting. If he was a true rookie, I feel I taught him a valuable lesson about how the game works.

In light of the responses Mr Veers, and giving you the benefit of any doubt about being deliberately obtuse, the only logical suggestion would be that you should in fact be playing in NPC nul.

1) The risk reward (especially for mordus legion) is substantially higher than anything in high sec. There by making your own margins better. While still being at constant risk of attack from gankers.

2) The risk management for yourself is considerably better since all players there will attack you, and only with ships of value comniserate to your own. Thus you don't need to worry after who the spies are since all probes are hostile and require a response.

3) By using ships of value (specifically T3 cruisers) you have even more tools on your side for risk management in terms of cloak and nullifier to give you tools on your side. Making them virtually impossible to catch by normal means.

And finally it goes a very long way towards your own 'not playing the game' stawman sticking to yourself.

Oh yeah, you just have to keep him talking for long enough and he commits Hara-kiri with his argument, you don't even need to lead him there, just apply pressure and wait.