Crime & Punishment

Chat logs and screenshots or it didn't happen.

Of course, there will be no chat logs or screenshots, because it doesn't happen. Permit-holders talking to us are a good source of intel. I join with other Code agents in affirming that some of my enforcement has been prompted by permit-holders informing me of AFK, non-permitted, or otherwise illegal miners in their belts stealing their ore.

Contrary to your assertion, permit-holding, Code-compliant, friendly & informative miners are valued by Code. And, as resources permit, the illegals around them will be bumped away or go BOOM if they let us know about them.

Code and their permit is a joke, if you read the code you would know how many holes there are for them to take your isk and still kill you.

Well this was an...interesting read. Let me begin by stating that I am a very new player. I believe I joined 9 days ago, but honestly I don't know how to check because I'm still learning.

It is my understanding that this "CODE" entity has only one purpose; to keep AFK miners from jacking up the ore prices. While I wholeheartedly agree with this goal, there just seems to be so much evidence that this is more of a gang "protection money" operation.

I will say that the reason I was so quickly hooked on this game was because the game is essentially player run. I absolutely love the fact that different factions/corps/alliances control certain parts of space. I love that anyone can be attacked anywhere. I could keep going on, but I'm sure you are all familiar with it. In fact, I've already been pod killed twice by players, but I was experimenting in areas I shouldn't have been, so I was kinda asking for it.

That being said, I'm still extremely new to this game, and had no idea that High Sec was apparently "owned" by a player entity. Somebody mentioned earlier that it "takes a month to get a barge", which is straight up false. I've been playing for less than a week and a half, and will have my mining barge tomorrow. I have no idea what type of builds to use on it, which is all part of the learning process. I also didn't know anything about this "CODE" until seeing this forum looking for something completely different.

While I do believe several of these "CODE" supporters in this forum truly believe in their process, their assumption that just because I'm in one spot mining without a permit and mining in a barge that I must already know about "the law" is just simply unfair. "CODE" is literally dictating my play style, and all I do is mine and sell the ore. I need money for future investments, implants, etc, and trying to reprocess ore to either sell or create things is just simply inefficient with my current lvls. Also, as high sec is SUPPOSED to give players some sort of security at the expense of lower quality ore, I would assume that anyone coming into a belt is not hostile unless indicated by red or orange.

I had no idea what ganking was. I don't understand offensive ship types because I'm a miner, not a fighter. I don't understand EVE politics. I'm only a week old, yet by your mantra, I would have been blown away without a second thought because of my "bad build" or "not having a permit". Contrary to what some people are saying, mining low lvl ore with Venture's does not make you money very quickly, so replacing my ships and implants would take several days, and in no way does this accomplish your "get rid of AFK'ers" (I do NOT AFK mine). Some of you don't even send a chat; you just make an assumption based on what the player has and if they have a permit.

In short, this seems very much like a glorified reason to kill players while having the backing of a large entity that supports what you do. This is how a powerful gang acts. They create a facade that they are doing things for people's protection, when in reality you simply have to pay them so they don't kill you. To be honest, 10 mil in this game really isn't that much, but there are so many ways for people to get around the "rules" and simply kill you stating that you were not abiding by the "CODE".

Please understand that I'm not simply trying to complain about "CODE" or state that you are strictly a large "gang" that controls high sec mining. This is just what it appears like based off of the info on your mining bump site and this forum thread.

For example:

1. The code says to "keep chat clean". While I do find cursing excessively in chat as distasteful, does me saying "damn" because I just scanned 16 wormholes in a row while looking for relic sites mean that your death squads are going to find and kill me? In a game where the players control the universe, why do you get to dictate how people interact?
2. I have to "respect elected officials"? How about we just show other players respect? Why do CODE officers demand respect, and punish you if you don't act like they are superior to you?
3. This probably should have been first, but for people like me who don't have people to watch their backs, why must I be punished for mining without an escort? It's one thing to kill someone for their stuff, but it's another entirely to say you were obviously AFK because you didn't have protection.
4. This one really gets me. Don't "excessively mine"? Are you kidding me? I specialize in mining. That's what I love to do. You're telling me that if I'm "caught" mining for too long I deserve to die? That's absurd.
5. Believe it or not, I'm not going to congratulate someone for suicide bombing me because he wanted too...
6. This "CODE" creator guy refers to himself as the "Saviour of Highsec"? What did he save it from? How is killing me in my Venture going to further "save" high sec?
7. Isn't "CODE" hosting an event all month to simply kill Venture's in high sec? So you are telling me, I now have to simply hide so people who can one hit kill me before I can even move don't murder me? For an entire month? Also, to pretend like this isn't targeting new players is simply incorrect. Venture's are the starter mining vessel, plain and simple. Chances are if someone is in one, they are new.
8. "CODE" rules dictate that the "CODE" leader can "bump" people whenever he wants, regardless of whether they have a permit or not? How does this "save high sec"?

I mine in high sec because I have no other option. Now I (apparently) have to buy a permit, which doesn't even guarantee I won't get murdered whether I'm AFK or not, and constantly run anytime someone enters a belt, causing my mining rate per hour to drop. If I have to pay protection than so be it, but I feel like I'm paying off a bully.

i did the same thing in piekura

As post above come null Mutch safer and better place. To mine and no insects. Will bother u with this code BS ...

You make a valid point, but I have a funny feeling that if anyone were to awox a corpmate in a nullsec alliance, in the name of the Code, they'd quickly find themselves either paying for that ship they awoxed, or getting their asses commissared.
Now, this obviously doesn't apply to neutrals/reds, but they were gonna kill you anyway. Any mention of the Code that they may throw out is just for ***** and grins.

All of null sec is pretty much owned by an alliance of some kind; even as a week old player like me knows that. These alliances tend to blast anyone who is in their space but isn't in their alliance. Are you honestly going to tell me that this is a viable option for a venture? Believe it or not, my venture cannot hold against entire fire teams of cruisers. In regards to mining, high sec I my only option.

That wouldn't bother me at all. I can't speak for the whole of Code obvious, but no, the example you made is reasonable and appropriate language for the situation.



We are not superior except that we have accepted the Code. We are humble servants of High Sec.



If you see an agent in local, feel free to convo them, most of us would be more than willing to take the time to show a new player how to protect themselves and how to avoid attracting our attention. That is after all, what Code is all about.



That's a carry over from back when ice could be mined 23/7 non stop with no breaks.



James 315 is saving high sec from Bot Aspirant behaviour, and Bots.

Gallowmere is correct. Mining in nullsec as a lone unaffiliated pilot is very dangerous outside of Providence (which mostly operates on a NRDS (Not red don't shoot) policy. Many of those Null alliances do recruit industrial players. Especially with the recent changes in industry making importing from High Sec significantly less attractive. With that being said, be careful how you approach those larger alliances, they have very specific ways by which they do legitimate recruitment, and many people claiming to be recruitment agents are actually scammers. Basically, if the person says you need to pay anything up front, or provide collateral of any kind, it's a scam. If they offer to move your stuff for you, it might be a scam. With Goons for instance you can buy anything you could need in VFK and won't need to bring anything with you.

Your claim of "it's my only option" though is false. Options exist, they are not immediately obvious, but they exist.

Thank you for sharing your vast experience in a post that is even more vast. FYI: the Venture is a favorite ship of mining bots.

You're not safe. Not in any space in New Eden. You undock, you risk non-consensual sexy time for any variety of made up reasons. May it ever be so.