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Handar Turiant
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-07-08 09:56:11 UTC
Little code interpretation question:

Should one be mining without a permit, does one get the opportunity to purchase it before being suicide ganked, or do the Code Folk gank everything not on their little list without the agent in question offering to purchase redemption through permit?

Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#2 - 2014-07-08 10:00:48 UTC
Handar Turiant wrote:
Little code interpretation question:

Should one be mining without a permit, does one get the opportunity to purchase it before being suicide ganked, or do the Code Folk gank everything not on their little list without the agent in question offering to purchase redemption through permit?



it won't protect you from being afk, and if you are not afk, you can protect yourself.
Handar Turiant
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-07-08 10:20:40 UTC
Tauranon wrote:
Handar Turiant wrote:
Little code interpretation question:

Should one be mining without a permit, does one get the opportunity to purchase it before being suicide ganked, or do the Code Folk gank everything not on their little list without the agent in question offering to purchase redemption through permit?



it won't protect you from being afk, and if you are not afk, you can protect yourself.


This hypothetical situation assumes everyone is at their keyboard.

Do the gankers, ahem, agents of the code provide the chance to purchase a permit, or do they just gank everything not on the list?
Hona Chaginai
La Commedia Divina
#4 - 2014-07-08 10:22:19 UTC
Usually they just gank everything not on the list. Mostly miners then say "I would have bought a permit"
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#5 - 2014-07-08 11:02:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Tauranon
Handar Turiant wrote:
Tauranon wrote:
Handar Turiant wrote:
Little code interpretation question:

Should one be mining without a permit, does one get the opportunity to purchase it before being suicide ganked, or do the Code Folk gank everything not on their little list without the agent in question offering to purchase redemption through permit?



it won't protect you from being afk, and if you are not afk, you can protect yourself.


This hypothetical situation assumes everyone is at their keyboard.

Do the gankers, ahem, agents of the code provide the chance to purchase a permit, or do they just gank everything not on the list?


let me clarify it, they will still gank you if it appears you are not at your keyboard with a permit. all the permit buys is survival if you are at keyboard and they arrive and you don't do anything about to otherwise prevent yourself being locked, ie normal survival techniques.
loyalanon
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#6 - 2014-07-08 11:15:18 UTC
If you are aware you need a permit you would have one beforehand not moan about it afterwards

/thread
Cavalira
Habemus
#7 - 2014-07-08 12:12:57 UTC
Newsflash : If you purchase a permit, you'll make yourself look like a massive nerd to everyone in EVE. It's like a mark of shame. You're better off just being aligned to something.
Handar Turiant
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-07-08 12:24:09 UTC
Cavalira wrote:
Newsflash : If you purchase a permit, you'll make yourself look like a massive nerd to everyone in EVE. It's like a mark of shame. You're better off just being aligned to something.


I don't mine. Nor do I autopilot golems full of officer mods ;-)

But yeah, paying these guys is kind of stupid, just a hazard that comes with EVE, and it makes bots slightly less profitable, so ok by me. And their blog is kind of funny in a 'I Drink Your Milkshake' kind of way.
Thomas Mayaki
Perkone
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-07-08 14:41:57 UTC
Handar Turiant wrote:
Cavalira wrote:
Newsflash : If you purchase a permit, you'll make yourself look like a massive nerd to everyone in EVE. It's like a mark of shame. You're better off just being aligned to something.


I don't mine. Nor do I autopilot golems full of officer mods ;-)

But yeah, paying these guys is kind of stupid, just a hazard that comes with EVE, and it makes bots slightly less profitable, so ok by me. And their blog is kind of funny in a 'I Drink Your Milkshake' kind of way.


Ironically they make bots more profitable just ask their Nullsec masters.
Supporting the New Order does nothing against bots other than a slight inconvience, the real victims of the New Order are the newer players with poorer skills or those that mine for a bit of extra isk.

The number one shareholder in the New Order is Erotica1 just to give an indication of their true moral compass.
Lady Areola Fappington
#10 - 2014-07-08 15:37:31 UTC
The simple answer is, someone who is not bot-aspirant and participating in the community would soon find out about The New Order, and promptly purchase a permit. So, not knowing about The New Order is prima facie evidence of bot-aspirant behaviour, of which the punishment is ganking.

Also, to address the popular misconception that a permit prevents ganking. This is false. Getting ganked automatically invalidates a permit. People who have permits never get ganked, so, if a supposed permit holder DOES get ganked, obviously they were violating the Code. Invalid permit means ganking ensues.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
SL33PERS
#11 - 2014-07-08 16:28:42 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
The simple answer is, someone who is not bot-aspirant and participating in the community would soon find out about The New Order, and promptly purchase a permit. So, not knowing about The New Order is prima facie evidence of bot-aspirant behaviour, of which the punishment is ganking.

Also, to address the popular misconception that a permit prevents ganking. This is false. Getting ganked automatically invalidates a permit. People who have permits never get ganked, so, if a supposed permit holder DOES get ganked, obviously they were violating the Code. Invalid permit means ganking ensues.


So buying a permit does nothing. Good to know.
Christian Lionbate
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-07-08 16:42:21 UTC
Hona Chaginai wrote:
Usually they just gank everything not on the list. Mostly miners then say "I would have bought a permit"


I'm lead to believe most code members are either:

A. Too drunk to read

B. Too stoned to read

C. Can't be bothered to read

D. Can't read

E. All or any combination of the above

Having your name on a list seems a moot point. As has been pointed out if your afk then you're toast anyway.
Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2014-07-08 16:46:22 UTC
It is the responsibility of every citizen in New High sec to be aware of the laws and to purchase the required mining license if they plan on mining in New Order space. Ignorance of the laws is not an excuse anywhere.

If you are mining and not AFK, and have a license, then you should be aware of your surroundings. Agents in the area will either look for less Code compliant miners, or may test the license holder. If the holder does not avoid the gank, then they must have been violating the Code as stated above, as Code compliant miners would not get caught. (Warping out in structure means you were slacking, but not in violation).

Rabble Rabble Rabble

Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#14 - 2014-07-08 16:46:38 UTC
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
The simple answer is, someone who is not bot-aspirant and participating in the community would soon find out about The New Order, and promptly purchase a permit. So, not knowing about The New Order is prima facie evidence of bot-aspirant behaviour, of which the punishment is ganking.

Also, to address the popular misconception that a permit prevents ganking. This is false. Getting ganked automatically invalidates a permit. People who have permits never get ganked, so, if a supposed permit holder DOES get ganked, obviously they were violating the Code. Invalid permit means ganking ensues.


So buying a permit does nothing. Good to know.


That's not what he said. You need to purchase a permit *and* comply with the Code in order to avoid being prosecuted by Knights of the New Order.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Lady Areola Fappington
#15 - 2014-07-08 16:46:42 UTC
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
The simple answer is, someone who is not bot-aspirant and participating in the community would soon find out about The New Order, and promptly purchase a permit. So, not knowing about The New Order is prima facie evidence of bot-aspirant behaviour, of which the punishment is ganking.

Also, to address the popular misconception that a permit prevents ganking. This is false. Getting ganked automatically invalidates a permit. People who have permits never get ganked, so, if a supposed permit holder DOES get ganked, obviously they were violating the Code. Invalid permit means ganking ensues.


So buying a permit does nothing. Good to know.



I disagree, it's THE most important thing a miner can do!

Buying a permit shows they follow The Code. Miners who follow The Code never get ganked.

Seems to me, a permit is the best investment a Code compliant miner can purchase!

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-07-08 16:48:50 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
The simple answer is, someone who is not bot-aspirant and participating in the community would soon find out about The New Order, and promptly purchase a permit. So, not knowing about The New Order is prima facie evidence of bot-aspirant behaviour, of which the punishment is ganking.

Also, to address the popular misconception that a permit prevents ganking. This is false. Getting ganked automatically invalidates a permit. People who have permits never get ganked, so, if a supposed permit holder DOES get ganked, obviously they were violating the Code. Invalid permit means ganking ensues.


So buying a permit does nothing. Good to know.



I disagree, it's THE most important thing a miner can do!

Buying a permit shows they follow The Code. Miners who follow The Code never get ganked.

Seems to me, a permit is the best investment a Code compliant miner can purchase!


Agreed. No one I've ever sold a permit too has ever been ganked after buying their permit.

Rabble Rabble Rabble

Praise James, Supreme Protector of High Sec.
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
SL33PERS
#17 - 2014-07-08 16:50:55 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
The simple answer is, someone who is not bot-aspirant and participating in the community would soon find out about The New Order, and promptly purchase a permit. So, not knowing about The New Order is prima facie evidence of bot-aspirant behaviour, of which the punishment is ganking.

Also, to address the popular misconception that a permit prevents ganking. This is false. Getting ganked automatically invalidates a permit. People who have permits never get ganked, so, if a supposed permit holder DOES get ganked, obviously they were violating the Code. Invalid permit means ganking ensues.


So buying a permit does nothing. Good to know.



I disagree, it's THE most important thing a miner can do!

Buying a permit shows they follow The Code. Miners who follow The Code never get ganked.

Seems to me, a permit is the best investment a Code compliant miner can purchase!


If you're not afk, you don't actually need a permit to avoid getting ganked.

If you're afk, it's a violation of the agreement between the two parties, so it won't help you avoid getting ganked.

So why get one at all?
Lady Areola Fappington
#18 - 2014-07-08 17:19:02 UTC
Ria Nieyli wrote:

If you're not afk, you don't actually need a permit to avoid getting ganked.

If you're afk, it's a violation of the agreement between the two parties, so it won't help you avoid getting ganked.

So why get one at all?




This one.....this one thinks way too much. She may become a problem.









Now, in all seriousness, you are kind of hitting the point behind a lot of New Order actions right on the head. We want people to realise they're playing a multiplayer game, with other people, who can and will influence their gameplay. If you're awake, ATK, paying attention, and doing all those "I don't wanna be ganked" things, it's kind of a moral victory for us. You're PLAYING EVE, not just running the EVE client while watching porn.

I mean, we still want that permit fee and all, but...moral victory!

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
SL33PERS
#19 - 2014-07-08 17:33:35 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Ria Nieyli wrote:

If you're not afk, you don't actually need a permit to avoid getting ganked.

If you're afk, it's a violation of the agreement between the two parties, so it won't help you avoid getting ganked.

So why get one at all?




This one.....this one thinks way too much. She may become a problem.









Now, in all seriousness, you are kind of hitting the point behind a lot of New Order actions right on the head. We want people to realise they're playing a multiplayer game, with other people, who can and will influence their gameplay. If you're awake, ATK, paying attention, and doing all those "I don't wanna be ganked" things, it's kind of a moral victory for us. You're PLAYING EVE, not just running the EVE client while watching ****.

I mean, we still want that permit fee and all, but...moral victory!


So, leaving that aside, what would be the actual benefits of purchasing a mining permit? Honestly, I think it could be a great product, I'm just having a hard time understanding why people would want it.
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2014-07-08 17:45:52 UTC
Ria Nieyli wrote:
So, leaving that aside, what would be the actual benefits of purchasing a mining permit? Honestly, I think it could be a great product, I'm just having a hard time understanding why people would want it.

Essentially a permit shown in your bio requires our agents to attempt to contact you through either local or private chat (their choice), and give you a reasonable amount of time (agent's discretion, James 315 gives 5 seconds, I give 30) to respond. If you have not responded within this time, they will begin bumping/ganking.

We had a difficult situation recently where a freighter was passing through Aufay with a permit in his bio, but was not responding to hails. He was lucky because we found a jucier non-permit holder just before undocking, but we were planning on conficating his ship.

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