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The Fall of Gallente-Caldari Relations...?

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Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#1 - 2014-06-11 00:05:51 UTC
So the way things are currently going look pretty good. It feels like the majority of the reason for GalCal war is solved. Heth is out. Largest cities of Caldari Prime are in Caldari hands showing a trend towards peaceful Caldari ownership. Diplomacy is securing what force won. So where does the story go from here?

The FW can't end. Such a large mechanic like that can't reasonably be removed. So what explodes next? Something has to happen to keep the fires of war between the two burning. There aren't enough Diana Kim's to keep the war going on pure hatred.

IC I would love for the war to end. Hatred of that war is actually one of the things that pushed Polevhia to where she is now. But there has to be an earth shattering kaboom. Sooner or later.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#2 - 2014-06-11 00:14:09 UTC
Cal-Gal vs Amarr-Min? :P
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#3 - 2014-06-11 18:07:18 UTC
Pirates. We need FW for pirate factions.

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Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#4 - 2014-06-11 18:44:44 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Cal-Gal vs Amarr-Min? :P


Nah. Everyone against Minmatar.

:colelie:

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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#5 - 2014-06-11 19:10:36 UTC
If the Fed and State have peace you can still have Amarr + Caldari mercs and military "advisors" vs. Minmatar + Gallente mercs and military "advisors". Can't you?

Kurilaivonen|Concern
Li Quiao
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2014-06-11 20:10:33 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Cal-Gal vs Amarr-Min? :P


The idea of Minmatar allying with the Empire will be very, very difficult to reconcile with the existing fluff.
Anslo
Scope Works
#7 - 2014-06-11 20:23:35 UTC
The answer is simple.

We invade Mittanigrad.

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CCP Falcon
#8 - 2014-06-11 21:00:52 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Falcon
Just because the Ishukone Corporation is working on Caldari Prime, it doesn't mean they represent the opinion or actions of the State as a whole.

Peaceful handover of Arcurio to Ishukone administration? ..Yes.

Ishukone adminstration =/= State Administration.
Material Acquisition administration =/= Federal Administration.

That's the fact, despite how The Scope, or Nugoeihuvi may look to spin it.

Remember that Caldari Prime is still declared a de-militarized zone, with Mordu's Legion Command wedged in there to provide third party security.

The State and Federation themselves are still very much at odds.

You guys are too quick to assume that good words you might read in the press mean that things are peachy.

P

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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#9 - 2014-06-11 21:13:16 UTC
Don't worry, Falcon. Too many frogs in Black Rise for there to be peace. ;)

That said, I'd really still love a non-mission way to interact with/do good by various minor factions. :x Pretty please put a burr under someone's bum?

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Anslo
Scope Works
#10 - 2014-06-11 21:37:05 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
That's the fact, despite how The Scope, or Nugoeihuvi may look to spin it.


Why you gotta hate on us like that?

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Joshua Foiritain
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#11 - 2014-06-11 21:55:09 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Pirates. We need FW for pirate factions.

So much this.

The Coreli Corporation is recruiting.
Arline Kley
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#12 - 2014-06-11 21:57:10 UTC
Evi Polevhia wrote:
The FW can't end


It'll be a cold day in hell when The Empress talks to Shakur as an equal publically.

"For it was said they had become like those peculiar demons, which dwell in matter but in whom no light may be found." - Father Grigori, Ravens 3:57
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2014-06-12 04:05:38 UTC
Anslo wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
That's the fact, despite how The Scope, or Nugoeihuvi may look to spin it.


Why you gotta hate on us like that?


THE scope, not scope works, is the fox news of eve.
Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#14 - 2014-06-12 18:47:19 UTC
Arline Kley wrote:
Evi Polevhia wrote:
The FW can't end


It'll be a cold day in hell when The Empress talks to Shakur as an equal publically.



Tupac is alive?!
Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#15 - 2014-06-12 19:58:39 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Pirates. We need FW for pirate factions.


Confirming. Would sign up for Nation Militia immediately.

CCP Falcon wrote:
Just because the Ishukone Corporation is working on Caldari Prime, it doesn't mean they represent the opinion or actions of the State as a whole.

Peaceful handover of Arcurio to Ishukone administration? ..Yes.

Ishukone adminstration =/= State Administration.
Material Acquisition administration =/= Federal Administration.

That's the fact, despite how The Scope, or Nugoeihuvi may look to spin it.

Remember that Caldari Prime is still declared a de-militarized zone, with Mordu's Legion Command wedged in there to provide third party security.

The State and Federation themselves are still very much at odds.

You guys are too quick to assume that good words you might read in the press mean that things are peachy.

P


For the record the following post is a ramble. I'm not really asking questions with the intent of CCP Falcon or anyone else answering them. Just sorta saying things rattling around in my head.

While several good and true points, it does set precedence. That it's possible for (part of) the Federation to hand over areas on Caldari Prime to (part of) the State without the world coming to an end. At the end of the Mordu contract on Caldari Prime will State governance be an accepted part of life? Will other areas of Caldari Prime follow suit and be handed over? To other megas or to Ishukone?

For that matter, Material Acquisition had those cities to hand over. Who has the other population centers? Industrial centers? Interplanetary transit points (launchpads and the like)? How loyal are those areas to the State and how much unrest are they causing? How loyal are those areas to the Federation and how much unrest will the trade cause in the future?

Maybe I (we?) are reading too much into this and the assumptions and projections I am making are things that if they would happen will happen many years in the future. But at what point will Ishukone's job be the job of fixing a broken world? At some point if they stick their Rokh into it far enough, war will become less of a profit machine and more of a hindrance to their goals(whatever they are) on Caldari Prime.
Kyoko Sakoda
Achura-Waschi Exchange
Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
#16 - 2014-06-12 23:34:38 UTC
Meanwhile, SuVee plots to make a quick buck by directly supplying the militia war effort, revealed to the consternation of Ishukone and the outrage of the Federation.

There are a thousand ways you can go about this.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#17 - 2014-06-13 01:28:27 UTC
There are a thousand ways you can go about this, but.... right now the HUGE story element which has been driving the war has been deleted. And nothing has been put in it's place.
And this sort of thing is the natural place people do step back and make peace at.

So not having all the 'secret back story plot' information right now makes the situation look extremely odd from a player perspective and sooner rather than later for the reasons for the war continuing full bore would be good.
Avio Yaken
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#18 - 2014-06-13 23:48:16 UTC
Arronicus wrote:
Anslo wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
That's the fact, despite how The Scope, or Nugoeihuvi may look to spin it.


Why you gotta hate on us like that?


THE scope, not scope works, is the fox news of eve.


You fookin wot m8

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Felicity Love
Doomheim
#19 - 2014-06-17 02:05:19 UTC
Sweet Geebus... if I hear one single note of "Kumbaya" being sung around campfires on New Caldari... there will be pain.

Medieval pain.

The Gallente can not be trusted. Pirate

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Noden Vorpalstar
The Knights of Polaris
#20 - 2014-06-17 19:28:07 UTC
Purely speculation, however maybe things are about to get really bad, and we are in the opening stages of seeing Faction Warfare expanded? Perhaps to include the Pirate Factions?

What if Luminaire and the road to it was turned into an expanded war zone, all becoming low-sec space because neither The Federation, Ishukone, or Mordu's Legion could contain the violence?

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