Test Server Feedback

It has been hinted at, as far as that this is kinda the first step in invention and that might be the second... ie put in a 10 run BPC and do 10 invention jobs in a row, but no one has come out and said it as far as I know

I think it is more along the lines of that is what they are envisioning for this post Crius invention overhaul, but they haven't looked f it is possible or feasible yet.

The output box does in fact say one with no way to manipulate it. Here I just thought it was meaning that I would get one BPC but at max runs if successful.



This would be super handy.

I couldn't find where I am told whether the invention was a success or not, is it on one of the columns that are currently off to the right? This isn't a super high priority in my mind as the output can clearly be seen in the hanger obviously.

Are we going to get a resizable industry window? Or maybe at least a way to configure what columns we want to see (haven't checked if this is possible)?

Another minor issue I've noticed is that the Industry UI doesn't update when selecting the materials hanger but rather only updates after selecting the output hanger. Is this intended?

Let me end on some positive feedback. I really do appreciate what has been put forth so far. Being able to filter using the search box, by facility, by hanger, and all the different combinations of this I see as being extremely positive changes. The fact that my runs remember where their materials are and where their outputs should be placed per blueprint (at least this seems to be the case) is also greatly appreciated.

Remember waste is a multiplier on top, rather than a divisor. Changes the way the equation works means the same numbers one way don't match the other way also.
Anyway, don't whine to much over conversions, it's only a change over system. Anything copied post patch will be starting from fresh. On a vastly vastly improved system. A couple of slightly cracked eggs are worth the overall gain.

Doing ME on Station part bpo's (parts to assemble the 4 racial stations/outposts) is currently on tranquility pointless as it doesnt effect the requird materials. May i hope this still going to be like this? In other words; as a stationbuilder, is my current station stock going to get devalued due the new ME changes and/or can i get a reimbursement for this if this is going to happen?

1. Item takes less materials to produce in rapid equipment assembly array then in equipment assembly array

2. you broke mechanics.... 300/200 max run copy gives me a 1 run copy :( for inventing, for manufacturing i can make 300

3. all further test suspended do to the fact my pos ceaps disapearing, altho all pos modules are still visible in industry tab they are not listed in corp assets.

Why increased the production time of capital ships? +11% minerals for capital components, +some components is increased. Now more and more building time.

Obelisk bpc

TQ:
ME=4/TE=2
Production time 12d 20h 08m (with my skills/implants 9d 20h 29m)

Sing
ME=8/TE=14
Production time 14d 14h 17m (with my skills/implants 11d 05h 01m), and in the industry window 11d 11h 12m.

Additionally ~2 days? In the devblog has been said about the increase of the materials, but says nothing about increasing the building time of cap ships.

so right now on tranq, i copy the same bpo like on test server,

on tranq with a waiting time of 13 days it takes me 24 days in total to get the copies

on the test server without waiting time and with 80% duration blabla, it takes me 25 days to get the copies

why?

I've tried inventing T2 Warrior drones, each run is only taking 1-run off of the T1 BPC (which I was expecting after reading the forums) but is only giving me a 1-run T2 BPC - is this intentional or a bug that needs be ironed out?

If intentional it is going to make T2 ammo, drones and modules very expensive to invent!

T2 invention characters tend to be the same as T2 manufacturing characters. They need about the same skills except for few basic ones. As for copying, no, the skill sets for inventions are much more extensive than required for T1 copying. Maybe for T2 copying, but that does not impact invention corps at all.

OK, here are the numbers for POS,

TQ:

125mm railgun invention

• copying time - 20x maxrun - 2.5 days, 1 slot
• invention - 20 jobs, 10 at a time, 2.5h
• manufacturing - 10 T2 BPCs - about 12h

425mm rail invention

• copying time - 20x maxrun - 2.5 days, 1 slot
• invention - 20 jobs, 10 at a time, 2.5h
• manufacturing - 2 days

So 1 character can copy for 10 invention characters. OR, 1 character alone, can copy for themselves and invent at same time if they manage their jobs properly (invention when online, some slots copy when offline). In general, you can invent more than you can build so you can invent some longer jobs like ships from time to time.


Test Server:

125mm railgun invention

• copying time - 20x 1 run - 6h, 1 slot
• invention - 20 jobs, 10 at a time, 8h !!, or 2 days unless someone plays 4+h at a time.
• manufacturing - 10 T2 BPCs - 4h

425mm rail invention

• copying time - 20x maxrun - 6 hours, 1 slot
• invention - 20 jobs, 10 at a time, 14h !!, or 2 days (or 1 if you play 8h at a time!!!)
• T2 manufacturing - 12h !!

So what is happening here? T2 inventions are heavily nerfed in favour of T2 BPO owners. And invention characters can no longer even fill their own manufacturing queues because of 50% success rate for modules. T2 BPO owners now can produce 2x as many modules in same time period (thanks to unlimited run BPOs) and invention characters can't invent more than 10 jobs per day. Since invention success is about 50% for modules, that is effectively a 400% boost for T2 BPO owners over inventions.

As for copying, as you can see, it has never ever been an issue for normal modules. And with the upcoming changes, it is even less of an issue, irrespective of what happens to per run copy times (since you will need 1 run not max run for 10 run T2 BPCs).

Typical game play for invention characters is to login, install some inventions, do other things (planetary interactions, hauling, missions, exploration, sometimes even PvP-like things like WH stuff), then after an hour, install another batch of inventions and manufacturing. Then maybe log off.

So, unless this is meant as a boost for T2 BPO owners and a nerf for inventions, in my opinion, please increase T2 module production back to where it was along with T2 copy times (remove boost for T2 BPOs), reduce invention times for modules back to base 2h allowing people to invent 10 T2 BPCs hence filling their manufacturing queues (drop neft for inventions).

I hope you can see that with the changes as is, T2 invention runners will not be able to produce as much as they currently are (and have 50+% of their manufacturing lines sitting idle 100% of the time) and T2 BPO owners will produce heck of a lot more even if they don't copy their BPOs.

Currently on TQ, T2 BPOs have advantage of efficiency (they can just install 30 day manufacturing jobs), while invention characters can respond better to the market. That balance will be severely impacted by T2 manufacturing and invention time changes as they are on sisi.

- Starbase bonuses mess with the balance somewhat; this is intentional
- Yes, there are issues with throughput and online/offline time currently, this is something we are looking to address in future invention changes