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I underlined the part I consider very important to this change.

People and Devs have already noted how copying is a choke point in the invention and production, also having jobs that complete in a little more than hour mean two things:

1) After 4 hours you have burned out your 2 days and 15 hours of copy job, leaving you with 2 days and 11 of inactive research lines

2) Having jobs that complete in 1 hour mean you have to be actually there to setup new jobs every hour

Now, I don't know what people consider and percieves as "fun and interesting", but logging in game to setup 8 research jobs every hour, on multiple account (if you are one of those high sec, single player, multi alt industrial corps) is not a compelling game style, probably just a step above mining.

This change will make research closer to prize the decision making process (what, when and where) rather than being simply there 23/7 setting up jobs, also having to log twice a day to setup jobs will make industry easier to manage to new players and/or simply people that wish to try out this aspect of the game.

However, this wont make the industry any easier or forgiving, remember that now the BPO that most corp keep locked in their hangars are going to start travel in new eden..

I want to conclude this post expressing my concern about this last point, as I'm not totally sure that BPOs are going to running around as much as CCP wish. First, even a humble inventor like me has in its hangars thousand of BPC, max run, made during years of industry; with the changes to invention, it will take a year or more before I finish those BPC. Second, to be on the safe side, I'll probably accept the increased cost of copying a BP in a station rather than risking it into a gate camp, assuming the cost of the BP is relevant, like in the case of battleship, capital component and alike.

Instead of proposing something like "destroy all the BPC!", I wanted to suggest something along these lines:

Why don't you allow invention directly from BPO with an increased chance of success over BPC? With this you'll give a reward to risking BPOs (the famous risk vs reward factor of eve), and if people wish to play it safe, they can use their BPC.

amounts for job costs are broken

I'm a little bothered with the conversion of ME and TE.


A ME2 BP will be converted in a ME6 BP (from what i see in the sisi client)

preME2 was 3.3% waste and postME6 is 6%

So for a 1000 material needed

Previously, you needed 1033 material. Now it's 1111.111111111...... x0.94 wich is 1044,44444.

Replace the word material with Capital part and you get my point.....


Unless the BP is perfect ME, manufacturing is more expensive in this SiSi build.

Shouldn't preME2 be a postME7 ? (1111.11111111 *.93 = 1033.333)

Do i miss something ?

Yeah, your new ME assumption is wrong

ME0 = 10% waste
ME1 = 9% waste
ME2 = 8% waste
ME3 = 7% waste
ME4 = 6% waste
ME5 = 5% waste
ME6 = 4% waste
ME7 = 3% waste
ME8 = 2% waste
ME9 = 1% waste
ME10 = 0% waste

Your conversion is wrong also

Old ME2 = New ME7

3.3% waste goes to 3% waste

ie - NO BPO/BPC gets worse

You are correct. You could invent off a 1500 run t1 BPC 1500 times, with each successful invention would giving you a max run t2 bpc. The post above me is wrong (I think, not sure through the poor grammar).

I have not checked in the last three days. But this is, so far not true as far as i can tell.

Perhaps that is the intended function, but it is not how SiSI is behaving.

Ok but i'm not okay !!!

If i read you correctly

ME0=10% waste >> postME0
ME1=5% >>postME5
ME2=3.3% >> postME7

So in the conversion, the patch generate only 0/5/7 ME level BP. How then can i have a stock pile of ME6 BPC ??


And there is still a bug with the ui since i can see BP from location/can of hangars where i don't have the query role..

I could have if it was possible :
From : https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Research_and_manufacturing

The ME scale of BP :

ML0 - 10%
ML1 - 5%
ML2 - 3.3%
ML3 - 2.5%
ML10 - 0.9%
ML50 - 0.2%

So, you can only get ME0%/5%/7%/8%, but i got a stock pile of ME6% ...

IMHO :
1- Rounding formulas gone wrong
2-Intended feature to make things a little bit harder for us.. And a tiny lie in the devblog...


preME2 > postME6 is a loss of BP efficiency...

The blueprint you get back from invention on SiSi has the wrong numbers at the moment, however the numbers you see on the industry UI when you submit the job should be correct.

Will be fixed this week.

now with using only one run from a T1 BPC to invent a T2 BPC it should be possible to allow multi run invention jobs. Is that planned in the near future?