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Elite Security Agents - PvE hull diversity
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chaosgrimm
Synth Tech
#21 - 2014-05-24 15:56:09 UTC
Kaerakh wrote:
chaosgrimm wrote:
Kaerakh wrote:
chaosgrimm wrote:
Bohneik Itohn wrote:
What you have asked for are called DED exploration sites. What your conflict is is that they aren't handed to you with a ribbon by a face in a station.


Not quite.

* A DED site says you can use x sized ship or smaller. These missions would say use x sized ship.
* DED involves scanning.
* Most of the time, the only reason to use a ship smaller than the largest one available is PvP consideration.
* DED is also in many cases about fitting a ship that is able to scan + clear + plus escape/fight pvpers. This would be solely about PvE and creating more specific fits for the circumstances



You know a Moa can run an L4?


Not as profitable as a BS. Why bother?


Uhhhhhhhh, 500 dps begs to differ. With an average AB speed of 600 m/s.


Lol 500 dps. train battleship skills if u want to mission
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#22 - 2014-05-24 15:56:17 UTC
If you want a greater challenge with greater (or equal) rewards leave high-sec.

It's really that simple.


Also... LOL as the "PvPers use better and more expensive ships to get more kills." If anything, more expensive ships just paint a larger "bullseye" on said pilots and result in a free-for-all feeding frenzy (outside high-sec that is).
Superior numbers on the other hand... that's a different story.

How did you Veterans start?
chaosgrimm
Synth Tech
#23 - 2014-05-24 16:00:11 UTC
Bohneik Itohn wrote:
chaosgrimm wrote:
Bohneik Itohn wrote:
What you have asked for are called DED exploration sites. What your conflict is is that they aren't handed to you with a ribbon by a face in a station.


Not quite.

* A DED site says you can use x sized ship or smaller. These missions would say use x sized ship.
* DED involves scanning.
* Most of the time, the only reason to use a ship smaller than the largest one available is PvP consideration.
* DED is also in many cases about fitting a ship that is able to scan + clear + plus escape/fight pvpers. This would be solely about PvE and creating more specific fits for the circumstances


Take it from the top, shall we?

* DED sites are designed with the idea that alone, a pilot would use the largest possible ship to complete it efficiently. If you choose to enter it in a smaller ship for the extra challenge, that is your initiative. I have a blast running 3/10's in a Slicer.
* So scan. Or is that going to give you cancer?
* Who needs a reason? It's a video game, not a career.
* Mobile Depot.


* I don't enjoy scanning anymore. What if I suggest that u should spend ur time trading and u didn't enjoy it?
* what if DED offered no reward? Would u still run them as often as u do?
* mobile depot doesn't let u change hulls
Kaerakh
Obscure Joke Implied
#24 - 2014-05-24 16:03:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaerakh
chaosgrimm wrote:
Kaerakh wrote:
chaosgrimm wrote:
Kaerakh wrote:


You know a Moa can run an L4?


Not as profitable as a BS. Why bother?


Uhhhhhhhh, 500 dps begs to differ. With an average AB speed of 600 m/s.


Lol 500 dps. train battleship skills if u want to mission


I'll stick with my C4 wormhole complexes, they tend to be more difficult and more profitable. Blink

Sigh, highsec nubs and bears can be so sheltered.

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chaosgrimm
Synth Tech
#25 - 2014-05-24 16:04:56 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
If you want a greater challenge with greater (or equal) rewards leave high-sec.

It's really that simple.


Also... LOL as the "PvPers use better and more expensive ships to get more kills." If anything, more expensive ships just paint a larger "bullseye" on said pilots and result in a free-for-all feeding frenzy (outside high-sec that is).
Superior numbers on the other hand... that's a different story.


No its not. The largest ship is still best in PvE. Other factors are generally PvP considerations

Have u ever used a faction hull? A tech 2 hull? A faction web? for PvP?
Kaerakh
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#26 - 2014-05-24 16:06:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaerakh
chaosgrimm wrote:
ShahFluffers wrote:
If you want a greater challenge with greater (or equal) rewards leave high-sec.

It's really that simple.


Also... LOL as the "PvPers use better and more expensive ships to get more kills." If anything, more expensive ships just paint a larger "bullseye" on said pilots and result in a free-for-all feeding frenzy (outside high-sec that is).
Superior numbers on the other hand... that's a different story.


No its not. The largest ship is still best in PvE. Other factors are generally PvP considerations

Have u ever used a faction hull? A tech 2 hull? A faction web? for PvP?


Stop, you're embarrassing yourself. At this point I'm trying to help you learn that having a bigger genitally shaped ship than the other guy doesn't mean that you can do anything better than him.

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chaosgrimm
Synth Tech
#27 - 2014-05-24 16:07:53 UTC
Kaerakh wrote:
chaosgrimm wrote:
Kaerakh wrote:
chaosgrimm wrote:
Kaerakh wrote:


You know a Moa can run an L4?


Not as profitable as a BS. Why bother?


Uhhhhhhhh, 500 dps begs to differ. With an average AB speed of 600 m/s.


Lol 500 dps. train battleship skills if u want to mission


I'll stick with my C4 wormhole complexes, they tend to be more difficult and more profitable. Blink

Sigh, highsec nubs and bears can be so sheltered.


Bigger ships are still more efficient clearing c4 plexes.
Kaerakh
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#28 - 2014-05-24 16:09:07 UTC
chaosgrimm wrote:


Bigger ships are still more efficient clearing c4 plexes.


O_O You have clearly never run anything wormhole related ever.

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chaosgrimm
Synth Tech
#29 - 2014-05-24 16:13:25 UTC
Kaerakh wrote:
chaosgrimm wrote:
ShahFluffers wrote:
If you want a greater challenge with greater (or equal) rewards leave high-sec.

It's really that simple.


Also... LOL as the "PvPers use better and more expensive ships to get more kills." If anything, more expensive ships just paint a larger "bullseye" on said pilots and result in a free-for-all feeding frenzy (outside high-sec that is).
Superior numbers on the other hand... that's a different story.


No its not. The largest ship is still best in PvE. Other factors are generally PvP considerations

Have u ever used a faction hull? A tech 2 hull? A faction web? for PvP?


Stop, you're embarrassing yourself. At this point I'm trying to help you learn that having a bigger ***** shaped ship than the other guy doesn't mean that you can do anything better than him.


Um it def means you can do stuff better than him. Not at a difference on par with WoW, but still better. Faction web > t1. Fitting meta allows for fits you otherwise couldn't have. Etc
chaosgrimm
Synth Tech
#30 - 2014-05-24 16:15:30 UTC
Kaerakh wrote:
chaosgrimm wrote:


Bigger ships are still more efficient clearing c4 plexes.


O_O You have clearly never run anything wormhole related ever.

I see this is going nowhere. By all means continue to use ur 'leet' 500 dps fit.
Bohneik Itohn
10.K
#31 - 2014-05-24 16:17:37 UTC
chaosgrimm wrote:


* I don't enjoy scanning anymore. What if I suggest that u should spend ur time trading and u didn't enjoy it?
* what if DED offered no reward? Would u still run them as often as u do?
* mobile depot doesn't let u change hulls



* Sounds like a first world problem about video games, to me.
* If I was looking for interesting and challenging PvE content? Yep. Already did for a while before moving away from PvE.
* You don't need to.

Why would you let something so trivial as scanning prevent you from enjoying the game? It's not exactly complicated, it may consume a little time, but once you get your sites figured out you can look at the map and tell which bubbles are likely DEDs/Complexes and which aren't before you even launch your probes. Really... How little effort must this take?

If you're doing DED sites regularly you probably already have a route you want to travel and you know what you're likely to find there. You only need to bring one hull and some extra modules to change the fitting on a case-by-case basis. You don't even need a mobile depot, in most cases, but it can save some time in the backwaters where a lot of the good sites you find are 2 or 3 jumps from a station.

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#32 - 2014-05-24 16:35:12 UTC
chaosgrimm wrote:
ShahFluffers wrote:
If you want a greater challenge with greater (or equal) rewards leave high-sec.

It's really that simple.


Also... LOL as the "PvPers use better and more expensive ships to get more kills." If anything, more expensive ships just paint a larger "bullseye" on said pilots and result in a free-for-all feeding frenzy (outside high-sec that is).
Superior numbers on the other hand... that's a different story.


No its not. The largest ship is still best in PvE. Other factors are generally PvP considerations

Have u ever used a faction hull? A tech 2 hull? A faction web? for PvP?


I earn billions of ISK running Faction Warfare complexes and missions in a 1 million ISK Tristan (120 dps) and 30 million ISK Purifier (less than 450 dps).


And yes... I do ocasionally use expensive stuff... either when...

- I want people to come after me because I know they won't be able to resist such a tempting target.
- I am working inside a well structured fleet that can save me against the inevitable "feeding frenzy" (that I mentioned eariler).

The rest of the time I will try to use equipment that isn't more expensive than absolutely necessary (meta 3, 4, and Tech 2 are fine for the most part).


tldr; I laugh at people like you who think that "bigger and more expensive is/should be rewarded better." Play smarter... not harder.

How did you Veterans start?
Kaerakh
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#33 - 2014-05-24 16:38:03 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
chaosgrimm wrote:
ShahFluffers wrote:
If you want a greater challenge with greater (or equal) rewards leave high-sec.

It's really that simple.


Also... LOL as the "PvPers use better and more expensive ships to get more kills." If anything, more expensive ships just paint a larger "bullseye" on said pilots and result in a free-for-all feeding frenzy (outside high-sec that is).
Superior numbers on the other hand... that's a different story.


No its not. The largest ship is still best in PvE. Other factors are generally PvP considerations

Have u ever used a faction hull? A tech 2 hull? A faction web? for PvP?


I earn billions of ISK running Faction Warfare complexes and missions in a 1 million ISK Tristan (120 dps) and 30 million ISK Purifier (less than 450 dps).


And yes... I do ocasionally use expensive stuff... either when...

- I want people to come after me because I know they won't be able to resist such a tempting target.
- I am working inside a well structured fleet that can save me against the inevitable "feeding frenzy" (that I mentioned eariler).

The rest of the time I will try to use equipment that isn't more expensive than absolutely necessary (meta 3, 4, and Tech 2 are fine for the most part).


tldr; I laugh at people like you who think that "bigger and more expensive is/should be rewarded better." Play smarter... not harder.


This^
Shah posts tend to be always good advice and well formed from experience.

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Daoden
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2014-05-24 16:53:29 UTC
Welcome to Eve online, a giant sandbox where you can create your own content to a fairly large degree.
Also if you want a challenge I want you to run some of the epic arcs (not the sisters of eve one). Let me know how it works for you in your battleship that is clearly the best ship for the job.
PS: blitzing missions for max profit is sometimes done better in smaller ships then a BS.
chaosgrimm
Synth Tech
#35 - 2014-05-24 17:00:05 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
chaosgrimm wrote:
ShahFluffers wrote:
If you want a greater challenge with greater (or equal) rewards leave high-sec.

It's really that simple.


Also... LOL as the "PvPers use better and more expensive ships to get more kills." If anything, more expensive ships just paint a larger "bullseye" on said pilots and result in a free-for-all feeding frenzy (outside high-sec that is).
Superior numbers on the other hand... that's a different story.


No its not. The largest ship is still best in PvE. Other factors are generally PvP considerations

Have u ever used a faction hull? A tech 2 hull? A faction web? for PvP?


I earn billions of ISK running Faction Warfare complexes and missions in a 1 million ISK Tristan (120 dps) and 30 million ISK Purifier (less than 450 dps).


And yes... I do ocasionally use expensive stuff... either when...

- I want people to come after me because I know they won't be able to resist such a tempting target.
- I am working inside a well structured fleet that can save me against the inevitable "feeding frenzy" (that I mentioned eariler).

The rest of the time I will try to use equipment that isn't more expensive than absolutely necessary (meta 3, 4, and Tech 2 are fine for the most part).


tldr; I laugh at people like you who think that "bigger and more expensive is/should be rewarded better." Play smarter... not harder.



You just said you use expensive stuff either to perform better in a fleet and to get more kills. How is what I said wrong? This isn't wow where you are nearly godlike compared to a challenger in low gear or what have you. But at the end of the day, you fit meta4 for many of the same reasons you fit meta4+
chaosgrimm
Synth Tech
#36 - 2014-05-24 17:04:09 UTC
Daoden wrote:
blitzing missions for max profit is sometimes done better in smaller ships then a BS.

Specific mission examples needed
I can only think of:
Recon
And possibly dread pirate scarlet.
Bohneik Itohn
10.K
#37 - 2014-05-24 17:06:09 UTC
chaosgrimm wrote:


You just said you use expensive stuff either to perform better in a fleet and to get more kills. How is what I said wrong? This isn't wow where you are nearly godlike compared to a challenger in low gear or what have you. But at the end of the day, you fit meta4 for many of the same reasons you fit meta4+



You haven't been making sense for a while. Your first post started out alright with a decent suggestion, even if the addition isn't necessary because it already exists and now you're just spiraling out of control. I'm done checking this thread.

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Cassandra Aurilien
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2014-05-24 17:10:23 UTC
I'm just confused.

You want content that gives greater rewards for using cheaper equipment with lower training times, and list miners using more expensive mining ships to get greater rewards & pvpers using faction gear as examples of where this exists. Question

I don't even know where you are going with this...

chaosgrimm
Synth Tech
#39 - 2014-05-24 17:11:50 UTC
Bohneik Itohn wrote:

Why would you let something so trivial as scanning prevent you from enjoying the game? It's not exactly complicated, it may consume a little time, but once you get your sites figured out you can look at the map and tell which bubbles are likely DEDs/Complexes and which aren't before you even launch your probes. Really... How little effort must this take?

I dont enjoy scanning anymore. I really cant say much other than that. Scanning itself isnt difficult, but is annoying and tiresome.
Daoden
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2014-05-24 17:11:50 UTC
You want specific examples and then gave your self 2.
Any missions where you don't have to kill tons of enemies and where speed can be useful. There are plenty of them.
And with the Medium MJD coming out I suspect BC will be used more for missions as well to some degree.
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