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Bring me the head of a CFC titan pilot!

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Voyager Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1101 - 2014-08-15 21:49:06 UTC
Tora Bushido wrote:
I think we already killed 13,2 Titans Twisted


Literally the only person in this thread who can reliably kill CFC capitals.

(Jump Freighters are capital ships).
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1102 - 2014-08-15 22:58:06 UTC
Joseph Soprano wrote:

It seems as though the only people keeping this post alive are the goons ( and Lucas Kell ).

It's kinda funny given that those same people are the only reason anyone knows about gevlon goblin.

Personally, I would never have heard about him if the goons didn't keep talking about him month after month, year after year. It's kinda funny how they disparage and deride him, yet they are single handedly responsible for making him eve-famous.
John Ending
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1103 - 2014-08-15 23:14:05 UTC
When you see something hilarious do you keep it to yourself? Or do you tell all your friends about it, tweet it, pin it and post it to imgur?
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1104 - 2014-08-15 23:14:41 UTC
Voyager Arran wrote:
Tora Bushido wrote:
I think we already killed 13,2 Titans Twisted


Literally the only person in this thread who can reliably kill CFC capitals.

(Jump Freighters are capital ships).

Well....let's be fair: subcaps (70 mil lost) vs. cfc caps (13 bil lost), API verfied on zkill.

Cherry Yeyo wrote:
*snip*

Since we're posting random killmails, let's have at it.
This one is good, 7.5 bil lost on the cfc side vs 1.1 bil losses for the ****** npc sperglords. And look! It features your favorite multiboxer. Cool

*Commence d*ck waving contest*
John Ending
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1105 - 2014-08-16 00:10:47 UTC  |  Edited by: John Ending
None of these killmails really matter in the grand scheme of anything. The only way to "kill" or defeat an alliance is take all their space like TEST, S2N a couple years ago or Against All Authorities more recently.

A bunch of corps leave for greener pastures and the defeated alliance wanders aimlessly in the desert until they can glom onto a rising star and get some space back but they never truly die.

Which is why the whole Grr Project is rather pointless and silly and can never fulfill the terms for its existence: beating, defeating or hurting goons. Killmails dont hurt, losing a titan here or there doesnt hurt, losing 20 supers in lowsec doesnt hurt. Losing freighters in high sec doesnt hurt. We lost 350 dreads at HED-GP and put 350 more on field at B-R a week later.

Losing all your space and starting over hurts. Losing 59 titans in a single battle hurts.
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1106 - 2014-08-16 00:23:12 UTC
John Ending wrote:
None of these killmails really matter in the grand scheme of anything. The only way to "kill" or defeat an alliance is take all their space like TEST, S2N a couple years ago or Against All Authorities more recently.

Yeah, but none of those alliances are dead. I suppose you could make a case for -A-, but I have a feeling we haven't seen the last of that zombified husk.

Tbh, I think the concept of "killing an alliance" is fundamentally flawed. The only thing you do is make the fair-weather friends leave the target....which is kinda 'meh' imo.

While the killmails may not matter per se, other activities from us npc sh*tlords, like sustained pressure on your renters, might have an effect down the line. It's common knowledge that your renter income is significantly lower than that of the opposing coalition. In an arms race, that might matter. There are likewise rumors that their shipyards are significantly outproducing your own, something about their renters being able to produce supers/titans and yours being punished for the same activity.

Or none of the above might matter. I don't much care either way, I just want to see pretty explosions, and killmails are a reminder of said pretty explosions. Big smile
Talas Dir
Super Happy Fun Corp
#1107 - 2014-08-16 10:29:43 UTC
Gevlon, you will not be able to stop the mighty Goon-headed CFC. Ever since their inception, the Goons have proven that they are truly the best at every aspect of Eve Online, and have destroyed the Band of Brothers group of corporations in its various incarnations five times already. Your personal crusade stands no chance.
Alp Khan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1108 - 2014-08-16 13:08:40 UTC
Voyager Arran wrote:
Tora Bushido wrote:
I think we already killed 13,2 Titans Twisted


Literally the only person in this thread who can reliably kill CFC capitals.

(Jump Freighters are capital ships).


Actually that would be Freight Club, and their only connection with the Marmite is being in the alliance. Freight Club is not under the same administration and rules that any other Marmite corp is subjected to. They are just there to get free wars against notable null entities and to pad up Marmite's killboard with JF kills.

So unless one of the Freight Club dudes decided to post here, Tora alone is not someone who is able to kill capitals.
Alp Khan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1109 - 2014-08-16 13:10:04 UTC
Joseph Soprano wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Wait, so basically it's 20bil to just sit there and forever brag about any cfc titan that dies being for free, since it is never claimable?

This is pretty clever, can I set up a similar scheme with the mittani for any n3 titans that die?


It seems as though the only people keeping this post alive are the goons ( and Lucas Kell ).


No, it's your character portrait and the hairstyle.
Pete Butcher
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1110 - 2014-08-17 06:58:14 UTC
Gevlon blog wrote:
I suggested to make a donation board for the coalition of Good. There are countless "carebears" who were abused by the evil Goons, they will surely jump on the idea that they can get their revenge on their tormentors by donating the fruits of "carebearing". It'll be up soonTM.

VFK by spring! GRR!


Oh man, I sense good times ahead.

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Alp Khan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1111 - 2014-08-17 08:36:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Alp Khan
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Doesn't matter. In a year, Goons will be in Empire, running missions in their Drakes, having nothing else left.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

(He is not kidding. He believes this sincerely.)
Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#1112 - 2014-08-17 14:36:46 UTC
Breaking news from the frontline struggle of CFC pets against the looming threat of the Coalition of Good!

Yesterday Battlemens were last seen running away, whimpering something about "green killboards"

Back to you, Tom.

Also, I like how they have no clear leader. That's gonna work well...

Proud pilot of the Imperium

Arek'Jaalan: Heliograph

Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#1113 - 2014-08-17 15:42:29 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Joseph Soprano wrote:
It seems as though the only people keeping this post alive are the goons ( and Lucas Kell ).
It's kinda funny given that those same people are the only reason anyone knows about gevlon goblin.

Personally, I would never have heard about him if the goons didn't keep talking about him month after month, year after year. It's kinda funny how they disparage and deride him, yet they are single handedly responsible for making him eve-famous.
We like to share his spergy goodness with the world. It would be rude to keep it all to ourselves.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1114 - 2014-08-17 17:34:54 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Joseph Soprano wrote:

It seems as though the only people keeping this post alive are the goons ( and Lucas Kell ).

It's kinda funny given that those same people are the only reason anyone knows about gevlon goblin.

Personally, I would never have heard about him if the goons didn't keep talking about him month after month, year after year. It's kinda funny how they disparage and deride him, yet they are single handedly responsible for making him eve-famous.


We need him to become well-known & stick around for along time. The level of entertainment he provides is not easy to come by.

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Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#1115 - 2014-08-17 21:59:36 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Joseph Soprano wrote:

It seems as though the only people keeping this post alive are the goons ( and Lucas Kell ).

It's kinda funny given that those same people are the only reason anyone knows about gevlon goblin.

Personally, I would never have heard about him if the goons didn't keep talking about him month after month, year after year. It's kinda funny how they disparage and deride him, yet they are single handedly responsible for making him eve-famous.


We need him to become well-known & stick around for along time. The level of entertainment he provides is not easy to come by.


He's my morning coffee equivalent of a funny comic to start the day well. Let's see what theories Gevlon Goblin can come up with today.

We should make a Gevlon Goblin drinking game...

Proud pilot of the Imperium

Arek'Jaalan: Heliograph

Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#1116 - 2014-08-17 22:41:12 UTC
Trii Seo wrote:
He's my morning coffee equivalent of a funny comic to start the day well. Let's see what theories Gevlon Goblin can come up with today.
His latest seems to be failing to understand basic math and economic warfare. He seem to think that MoA and co can destroy the CFC by destroying their income, yet they have to throw away isk themselves to do so. They'd basically need to achieve a 99% isk ratio on trillions of isk a month. Anything less and they'd bankrupt themselves faster than they'd bankrupt us.

I think he must still be of the opinion that he earns more than the CFC Lol

It's good to see though that MoA have decided that the only way to stand a fighting chance is to form a coalition. Pretty much puts to bed all of those ideas that independent pirates can win.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.

Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#1117 - 2014-08-18 04:56:49 UTC
Today's post reads more like an advertising campaign for nullsec rental.

"A new life awaits you in the nullsec colonies!" indeed... alright, cat's out of the bag - hands up who's been paying this guy under the table! Blink

Proud pilot of the Imperium

Arek'Jaalan: Heliograph

PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1118 - 2014-08-18 17:50:02 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
His latest seems to be failing to understand basic math and economic warfare. He seem to think that MoA and co can destroy the CFC by destroying their income, yet they have to throw away isk themselves to do so. They'd basically need to achieve a 99% isk ratio on trillions of isk a month. Anything less and they'd bankrupt themselves faster than they'd bankrupt us.

I think he must still be of the opinion that he earns more than the CFC Lol

It's good to see though that MoA have decided that the only way to stand a fighting chance is to form a coalition. Pretty much puts to bed all of those ideas that independent pirates can win.

I did not know pirates couldn't form coalitions to work together. Cool beans. Although most of my compatriots don't particularly think of themselves as pirates, I'm willing to run with it.



Let's talk about your main point, though: depleting the isk of the CFC. First, no one thinks they'll make the CFC bankrupt. It's also equally unlikely that moa will go bankrupt any time soon, given the large variety of resources many of the individual corps have at their own disposal, but that isn't the salient issue either.

Your own dear leader speaks often of the arms race in nullsec. An arms race by the cfc and n3/pl to, for all intents and purposes, get the most titans. I will take it as a lemma that pl isn't to happy about how the last round went. It is logical to assume that, given the opportunity, they would be happy to return the favor. N3 is most likeley even more willing to kill cfc titans/assets. So a future conflict is a pretty safe assumption.

On a high-level conceptual analysis, you need 4 things to build a titan. Well 3 actually, but #4 helps quite a bit. Minerals, time, shipyards (CSAA's and whatnot), and isk. Both coalitions now use renters to provide the bulk of their isk (probably). Those same renters can be used to procure the requisite minerals, and indeed they can even build the titan at a renter CSAA. In an arms race you benefit from having the extra isk/minerals that renters provide, along with any titans that they themselves produce and sell (cfc renters don't do this last bit at all).

NA currently has 12578 members providing isk, supers, and titans. B0T has 10954 members providing isk, supers and titans. Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere has 3879 members providing isk. Since the current sov meta appears to be: "he who has the most titans wins," the natural course of action becomes readily apparent.

A sustained effort, to target isk generation and renters in particular, will directly result in fewer resources available to produce cfc titans. This will not kill the cfc, but it will weaken them significantly for the next sov fights involving mass titans. As a bonus, killing afktars and renter boats is hella fun, and beats shooting structures any day of the week. Not that we don't do the latter, but the former occurs much more often. Cool

TL;DR: Kill renter boats --> Fewer renters --> Weaker cfc.
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1119 - 2014-08-18 18:01:20 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
Lucas Kell wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
It's kinda funny given that those same people are the only reason anyone knows about gevlon goblin.

Personally, I would never have heard about him if the goons didn't keep talking about him month after month, year after year. It's kinda funny how they disparage and deride him, yet they are single handedly responsible for making him eve-famous.
We like to share his spergy goodness with the world. It would be rude to keep it all to ourselves.

Mallak Azaria wrote:

We need him to become well-known & stick around for along time. The level of entertainment he provides is not easy to come by.

That's all very well and good, but any publicity is good publicity, as the tired cliche goes. You've spent years giving him a soapbox to stand on. He now has it, built by the tireless cfc posters telling anyone that would listen of the hilarious posts made by this particular individual.

Apparently, there are some people that take him seriously. Some few even in my own alliance, not the bulk admittedly, but they exist in moa and in the general population all the same.

So what does he say from the soap box you so kindly provided?

Trii Seo wrote:
Today's post reads more like an advertising campaign for nullsec rental.

"A new life awaits you in the nullsec colonies!" indeed... alright, cat's out of the bag - hands up who's been paying this guy under the table! Blink


Interesting. And from whom, I wonder, will the followers of this particular goblin choose to rent? Smile
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1120 - 2014-08-18 18:08:53 UTC
Titan.

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