Crime & Punishment

In PL you gotta get a certain amount of kills per month, I believe progodlegend said S2N has discovered the joys and ease of use of the paplink system, not sure what ncdots system is but they usually copy everything PL does so probably a certain amount of kills. Black Legion just straight up kicks you if you're not in fleet every night.

In short, pvp corporations and alliances want active players and kick inactives and useless carebears. What does this have to do with #Titans

How does optionally clicking a link in a fleet you optionally joined impact your fun in any way?

I again urge you to examine the assumption you have been spoon-fed that this is inherently bad.

You don't have to turn up for anything, they're simply used to count who was there, for a variety of reasons. e.g. "If I rage-ping for boots at 0900 eve, how many people will turn up on a Wednesday?" - our leadership knows that, because people spent half a second clicking a link.

You've been spoon-fed this narrative that every time you shoot some ****** tower somewhere, that we're crying into our cheerios and 'punching timesheets' or Mittens gets angry. The reality is we do what we want.


They count it in other ways, we simply do it in a way which minimizes the effort for everyone involved.

Because clicking a URL is not inherently funny; your mirth comes from your belief we are doing something unfun/serious business/mandatory in a videogame, whereas this is not the case.

Once more time - challenge the assumption that needing / wanting a means of getting metrics from a 35,000 person organisation is a bad thing.
There's literally no-one who thinks paplinks (or any other similar system) are a bad thing, except the circle-jerk entities (like MoA) who seemingly base most of their existence around hating us, which results in that ex-girlfriend scenario of simply pointing out things we do and hating them without reason (because the reason is you're projecting inadequacies).

'Urgh, he's climbing a tree to save a cat again. That's so like him. I hate him'

As we approach month #3 of this bounty being uncollected I think its time we all pause and reflect.

The GRRR Project was begun on January 10th of this year and continues despite the failcascade and closure of the lemmings alliance themselves.

So after 6 months and over a hundred billion spent on this we have the solid results of: a lot of killmails

0 sov lost

0 moons lost (some weekly exchanges and recoveries) not related to highsec wardecs

0 renter space lost

0 verifiable reports of any player quitting because of a wardec

0 alliances left the CFC

Cant wait to see what the next 6 months brings!

Let's try this again: I never said it was a bad thing. I just said that I find them funny, and I'm not alone in this.


Well, aside from all these dudes from nulli, nc., provi, hero, pl, and pretty much every non-cfc entity in the game. But yeah, sure, w/e. Oh and [insert comment about ~le reddit~ here] to head that one off.



Oh, I don't hate you guys. It might surprise you, but for much of moa you're just red brackets we shoot for content. Sure there are a few guys here and there that froth at the mouth at the mention of goons, but most of us are just chill dudes. In fact, on most issues when you guys aren't spitting out blatant propoganda, spin, or ~narrative~, I tend to agree with your dudes.

If you gotta pick something to shoot, why not pick the biggest blob of dudes in new eden and then go from there? That's my reasoning anyway.

That space ninja game is pretty cool.

Exhibit A of blatant propaganda, spin, or ~narrative~: note the repeated use of "his master" in numerous posts in an attempt to push ~narrative~. An attempt to illicit a response is made, the two predicted responses:

1) The target (Potato) distances himself from the subject of the thread (Gevlon) thereby isolating the subject and opening up another avenue of ridicule. "Look Gevlon, even MoA thinks you're ...."

2) The target (Potato) defends the subject (Gevlon), thereby seemingly confirming the initial assertion.

So, which should I choose, door #1 or door #2?


Winning at eve.

Mmmmmk, so as I understand the question was this part:

The answer to this question is quite simple, my 'tangent' post about pap links was in response to Gallowmere's post about pap links which in turn was a reply to lucas kell's post about pap links. I think the discussion started quite a bit before that, but you get the idea.

As to why I decided to jump into this thread: I legitimately find the concept of figurativley "punching a timeclock" in a videogame to be quite amusing. From ~le reddit~, we can see that I am not alone in this and that pretty much every non cfc entity in the game has individuals who share this opinion.

Now, humor is not universal: not all groups find the same things funny. It is entirely possible that if you have this sort of participation check in every game goons play (I doubt it but w/e) as you imply here, than you might not see anything unusual. Fine, I can accept that. A difference of opinion, if you will.

And that is, quite literally, the entire reason I posted in this thread. Does that answer your question?

You quoted out the part where I said "except the circle-jerk entities" and then go ahead and link TEST posters circle-jerking on Reddit. Nice job buddy, you pretty much prove my point for me.

You can't just hand-wave away deliberate and willful bias, but nice try I suppose?

Why are you so caught on this? Eve is not any other game. If you were to look at Eve and look at weirdness that happens here and no-where else, you would never get past the tutorial. Goons, generally, play to either win the game, or have fun making everyone else lose / hate us. In Eve, you do this by beating everyone else at their own game and then thumbing your nose up at the ~~elite KDA~~ players that couldn't stop you. We pretty much do this in every game.
It's funny you specifically mention Planetside2, because the Goon groups in there tend to win by top-down organisation and tactics vs relying on individual player skills, like the orgs that have extensive KDA requirements.

Having said that, pap-links are used in the majority case to ensure allies (i.e. not goons) are, you know, actually allies interested in the same things we are, and not just people who want to be blue to us for safety / espionage or any other reason. Taking a note of who turns up ensures this happens.

Once more, you seem to have been fed some pretty biased missives about goon culture, and have decided to project the inherent hostility towards clicking a URL, which is many levels of ridiculous given it aids so much.

When you're a small group of irrelevant NPC dwellers, you can get by with no organisation. When you expand to the size of the CFC or N3PL you absolutely need to have your ducks in a line, and we wouldn't be here if we said "lol organizing effectively is lame", we'd be irrelvent clowns like, say, MoA.
Even B-R was all-but won by the fact we were better organized than N3PL, who had a much looser grasp on who was where, who was dying, who was getting out.

They don;t have space, sure, but I don;t think I've seen any serious alliance not give a flying **** what their members do at all, mainly since with no requirement to actually help your alliance, you can end up too splintered. MoA clearly have things they require of their members, the only difference is they are small enough to not worry about needing a robust system to track that, but guaranteed, if you just wanted to fly off and do your own thing and not help out the alliance at all, your time would be limited. Why would they provide you logistical benefits if you were just like "**** you guys!" whenever **** hit the fan?