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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#661 - 2014-06-24 18:15:46 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
Radric Davids wrote:
An alliance founded by hatred is probably going to attract a lot of wackos and very few smart reasonable people. When that group founded on hatred of an extremely powerful alliance inevitably makes zero headway in their crusade while the average line member loses ships and has no visible impact or personal gain - there are going to be huge morale problems.
While I don't agree that GoonWaffe was founded on Hatred I will point out that hazing and bullying are part of goon culture. Goons came from SA and Something Awful is about as ~Animal Farm~ as you can possibly get on an internet forum. It's less that the CFC is a hate alliance and more that they are an invasive culture in eve that happens to jive well with the cold brutality of space.

In terms of moral I think you miss the point. Goons are all about heavy dis-confirmation bias and rationalizations to negate any sense of failure. ie "Didn't want that (thing) anyway." They are conditioned on their home site to shield themselves from any shame or social consequence by conforming to whatever is popular at the time. "Irony" is the bread and butter of "I was just pretending to be X". While some goons can be/are good people the pervasive influence of their culture is intensified by their lunch-table politics and leadership style.

Ultimately you cannot harm or demoralize goons by blowing up their ships. They are preconditioned to be selectively apathetic about any loss on their part that would otherwise be seen as meaningful. If you want to hurt goons then you need to stop giving them attention. Negate their pride with your own selective apathy.
I think he was talking about Lemmings. Their reason for existence was because Gevlon hated goons, and they had some pretty serious issues getting people to actually want to form up as time went on.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#662 - 2014-06-24 18:23:50 UTC
MASSADEATH wrote:
Second., MOA is fully aware of what the Grr project is, and its great, it saves us from having to kill the CFC and goons in high sec so we can concentrate on 0.0

MOA's target's of choice are CFC and goons, we deploy and will go out of our way to kill them, and do everything in our power to disrupt them.

The "taking out the trash" deployments of the goons (3 deployments) against us are a testiment to us doing a good job against a very large and well organized group like the CFC and Goons. It was a dismal failure for the goons since they can really only kill static targets like POCOS and POS towers.

We are the last Bastion left in the north, and take the full brunt of your "forces"
lol, if you say so. I'm fairly certain you haven't seen a full deployment yet, and considering we've got a multitude of groups attacking us in null from different sides, of which you are a small fraction, I'd say it's a little early to be declaring the fact that you are still alive as a success.

MASSADEATH wrote:
Gevlon, seeing the good work we are doing and knowing that it takes isk to fight the evil scum lords CFC and Goonies, is giving us some isk to help out.

no strings attached... we are a fully independant alliance with no one but us calling the shots...
If you say so. Though it seems strange that you feel the need to defend your position on that if there's no change from the usual. Still, I'd be surprised if the ~12 hours worth of losses gave Gevlon much swing.

MASSADEATH wrote:
and no RMT weasalage involved at the comand levels.
Whatever you say, Dinsdale.

MASSADEATH wrote:
Gevlon at least has a vision, and some forward thinking on this matter and the plague of the blue donut. Which is more than I can say for the CFC and Goonie leaders (save Sion Kumitomo from GoonWaffe who is IMO the only one that has a brain in his head and possibly could be the games best hope from the goon side of things)
LOL Gevlon has the "vision" of the entire game being run by autists for no more than 2 hours a day, for the sole purpose of grinding isk for high sec titans. On top of that, like 3 gazillion people before him he hates goons. You must seriously be smoking some bad crack if you think what he spouts constitutes vision.

MASSADEATH wrote:
so..unless you want to "hellcamp" us for maybe 3-4 months... we are not going away, and the isk is 100% being used to fund killing CFC and goonies on the battlefield.
And at some point if you become a realistic threat I'm sure we'll take that under advisement.

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Radric Davids
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#663 - 2014-06-24 19:07:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Radric Davids
I was talking about lemmings. Goons weren't founded on hatred - a little reading about goon history shows that at the time, goonfleet was the first successful gooncorp because it was not based on sp-elitism. It was by goons for goons. Prior to goonfleet, all of the attempted gooncorps failed, and goons were scattered around eve without any central place to call home. Definitely was not founded on hate - it may have grown over time as they were hated on by BoB and other eve corps.


MASSADEATH wrote:
illusions of grandeur



You and Gevlon are just perfect for eachother. Our so-called 'deployments' (in reality they were one small squad deplyment, another was just living at home as per usual, and the other is not a deployment at all just us flying down for fights and moon defense) had much less to do with you guys than BL - MoA barely even showed up to any fights, at least BL did.

Seriously though, thanks for that wonderful window into the soul of MoA - I really had no idea that MoA+Gevlon were such kindred spirits. Both of you are largely irrelevant to us, and if you ever became anything close to a thread you would get squashed with minimal effort. Good luck on your quest for relevance - if you ever reach it there will be a happy ending waiting for you i'm sure
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#664 - 2014-06-24 19:14:53 UTC
goonfleet is fairly unapologetically founded on tribalism: if you're in, you're family, if you're out, you're basically dead to us

that's way different from being founded on hatred of an external entity

more to the point though why are we discussing anything said by someone who makes gevlon look sociable and well-rounded
Radric Davids
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#665 - 2014-06-24 19:18:23 UTC
Retar Aveymone wrote:
goonfleet is fairly unapologetically founded on tribalism: if you're in, you're family, if you're out, you're basically dead to us

that's way different from being founded on hatred of an external entity

more to the point though why are we discussing anything said by someone who makes gevlon look sociable and well-rounded


Because SA has been down for going on 2 days now and I am seriously struggling to distract myself from work
Pete Butcher
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#666 - 2014-06-24 19:19:29 UTC
MASSADEATH wrote:

*things that Gevlon wants to hear, despite being disconnected from reality, so he can throw isk at ~stuff~*


I smell Lemming-level propaganda and more hilarity to come. Fun times ahead.

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MASSADEATH
MASS A DEATH
Scumlords
#667 - 2014-06-24 19:22:49 UTC
Radric Davids wrote:
I was talking about lemmings. Goons weren't founded on hatred - a little reading about goon history shows that at the time, goonfleet was the first successful gooncorp because it was not based on sp-elitism. It was by goons for goons. Prior to goonfleet, all of the attempted gooncorps failed, and goons were scattered around eve without any central place to call home. Definitely was not founded on hate - it may have grown over time as they were hated on by BoB and other eve corps.


MASSADEATH wrote:
illusions of grandeur



You and Gevlon are just perfect for eachother. Our so-called 'deployments' (in reality they were one small squad deplyment, another was just living at home as per usual, and the other is not a deployment at all just us flying down for fights and moon defense) had much less to do with you guys than BL - MoA barely even showed up to any fights, at least BL did.

Seriously though, thanks for that wonderful window into the soul of MoA - I really had no idea that MoA+Gevlon were such kindred spirits. Both of you are largely irrelevant to us, and if you ever became anything close to a thread you would get squashed with minimal effort. Good luck on your quest for relevance - if you ever reach it there will be a happy ending waiting for you i'm sure


so your capital deployment to YAO was small? we fought you in a few 600 man fights that you brought to field to "deal" with us
your master mittens even listed the deployments in your SOTA

we know you are paying attention to us .....and its what we want..... we have you turds jumping all over the map ...you are already deploying south to counter us....







Voyager Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#668 - 2014-06-24 19:32:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Voyager Arran
MASSADEATH wrote:
Radric Davids wrote:
I was talking about lemmings. Goons weren't founded on hatred - a little reading about goon history shows that at the time, goonfleet was the first successful gooncorp because it was not based on sp-elitism. It was by goons for goons. Prior to goonfleet, all of the attempted gooncorps failed, and goons were scattered around eve without any central place to call home. Definitely was not founded on hate - it may have grown over time as they were hated on by BoB and other eve corps.


MASSADEATH wrote:
illusions of grandeur



You and Gevlon are just perfect for eachother. Our so-called 'deployments' (in reality they were one small squad deplyment, another was just living at home as per usual, and the other is not a deployment at all just us flying down for fights and moon defense) had much less to do with you guys than BL - MoA barely even showed up to any fights, at least BL did.

Seriously though, thanks for that wonderful window into the soul of MoA - I really had no idea that MoA+Gevlon were such kindred spirits. Both of you are largely irrelevant to us, and if you ever became anything close to a thread you would get squashed with minimal effort. Good luck on your quest for relevance - if you ever reach it there will be a happy ending waiting for you i'm sure


so your capital deployment to YAO was small? we fought you in a few 600 man fights that you brought to field to "deal" with us
your master mittens even listed the deployments in your SOTA

we know you are paying attention to us .....and its what we want..... we have you turds jumping all over the map ...you are already deploying south to counter us....



The fact that you're talking about 600 man fights with the same voice we use for Asakai pretty well illustrates the disconnect between senses of scale we have here. That's, like, one Baltec fleet with some Harpies along for support, assuming part of that 600 figure includes a hostile fleet (admittedly not a safe assumption when MOA is the opposition).

But hey, nobody else wants to fight us right now so I guess we'll have to make do with whatever Kun'mi leaves for the rest of us.
Radric Davids
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#669 - 2014-06-24 19:34:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Radric Davids
MASSADEATH wrote:
Radric Davids wrote:
I was talking about lemmings. Goons weren't founded on hatred - a little reading about goon history shows that at the time, goonfleet was the first successful gooncorp because it was not based on sp-elitism. It was by goons for goons. Prior to goonfleet, all of the attempted gooncorps failed, and goons were scattered around eve without any central place to call home. Definitely was not founded on hate - it may have grown over time as they were hated on by BoB and other eve corps.


MASSADEATH wrote:
illusions of grandeur



You and Gevlon are just perfect for eachother. Our so-called 'deployments' (in reality they were one small squad deplyment, another was just living at home as per usual, and the other is not a deployment at all just us flying down for fights and moon defense) had much less to do with you guys than BL - MoA barely even showed up to any fights, at least BL did.

Seriously though, thanks for that wonderful window into the soul of MoA - I really had no idea that MoA+Gevlon were such kindred spirits. Both of you are largely irrelevant to us, and if you ever became anything close to a thread you would get squashed with minimal effort. Good luck on your quest for relevance - if you ever reach it there will be a happy ending waiting for you i'm sure


so your capital deployment to YAO was small? we fought you in a few 600 man fights that you brought to field to "deal" with us
your master mittens even listed the deployments in your SOTA

we know you are paying attention to us .....and its what we want..... we have you turds jumping all over the map ...you are already deploying south to counter us....









I think you are slightly confused. Are you referring to moving the GSF/CFC capital system to YAO (because of industry changes), or claiming that we deployed capital ships within our home systems? Who is 'deploying' south? One of our squads has done a short deployment, but I don't think it has anything to do with you. Some fleets are heading down to delve to aid CFC alliances who live in the area with moon defense and fights, but there has not been a deployment in any form.

Eve is currently in peacetime, and we are fighting whoever is willing to fight us. Half of eve is fighting in providence, and we are happy to fight whoever wants - whether it be BL or whoever. MoA is barely on that list however, since you quickly scurried away from X-70 and pure blind. After dozens of fights I have been a part of with BL recently, I can't recall a single one where MoA was anything more than a small attachment to a larger BL fleet. More often you guys are nowhere to be seen
Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#670 - 2014-06-24 19:36:14 UTC
Voyager Arran wrote:

The fact that you're talking about 600 man fights with the same voice we use for Asakai pretty well illustrates the disconnect between senses of scale we have here.

Indeed there is a disconnect. Asakai was mere 850B loss. Your losses to the various "NPC null trash" alliances were 2.1T in May. Yes, that's one month of the year. 300B more in highsec losses. I wonder how much you'll lose to irrelevant people in June. We'll soon find out.

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Pete Butcher
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#671 - 2014-06-24 19:38:56 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Voyager Arran wrote:

The fact that you're talking about 600 man fights with the same voice we use for Asakai pretty well illustrates the disconnect between senses of scale we have here.

Indeed there is a disconnect. Asakai was mere 850B loss. Your losses to the various "NPC null trash" alliances were 2.1T in May. Yes, that's one month of the year. 300B more in highsec losses. I wonder how much you'll lose to irrelevant people in June. We'll soon find out.


Probably irrelevant sum, which you'll talk about like a success, in which no one will believe but you.

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Radric Davids
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#672 - 2014-06-24 19:44:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Radric Davids
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Voyager Arran wrote:

The fact that you're talking about 600 man fights with the same voice we use for Asakai pretty well illustrates the disconnect between senses of scale we have here.

Indeed there is a disconnect. Asakai was mere 850B loss. Your losses to the various "NPC null trash" alliances were 2.1T in May. Yes, that's one month of the year. 300B more in highsec losses. I wonder how much you'll lose to irrelevant people in June. We'll soon find out.



I guess those numbers mean the CFC is destined for imminent defeat. Oh wait, nothing has changed. We are still powerful and lost nothing of consequence (ships reimbursed, income unchanged). MoA and Gevlon are still irrelevant and forced to constantly campaign and find way to prove to themselves that they are not a failure
Cephelange du'Krevviq
Gildinous Vangaurd
The Initiative.
#673 - 2014-06-24 20:01:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Cephelange du'Krevviq
Retar Aveymone wrote:
Nolak Ataru wrote:
MASSADEATH wrote:

-snip-



Now, I'll admit I'm not always on top of EVE news here, but even I would've noticed of Goons engaged in a capital brawl with MoA. If you wanna keep pretending that you're causing trouble to Goons by doing tiny little hit and run maneuvers, go right ahead.

I'll be waiting with a bucket of popcorn when you bring your capitals out and get steamrolled so hard they'll need putty knives to scrape you off the floor.

every so often moa manages to get a tower up and we bulldoze it to remind them that they were kicked out of the CFC for being woefully incompetent

they're a little bitter about that still


I thought you had to actually participate in CFC ops to be incompetent?

EDIT: Not implying all CFC ops participants are incompetent.

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Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#674 - 2014-06-24 20:03:28 UTC
MASSADEATH wrote:

so your capital deployment to YAO was small? we fought you in a few 600 man fights that you brought to field to "deal" with us
your master mittens even listed the deployments in your SOTA


when your greatest victory you can point to is that a whole lot of people showed up to squash you into the ground right next door to where we live you're running a little low on the ol' victories
William Ruben
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#675 - 2014-06-24 20:54:24 UTC
Radric Davids wrote:
Retar Aveymone wrote:
goonfleet is fairly unapologetically founded on tribalism: if you're in, you're family, if you're out, you're basically dead to us

that's way different from being founded on hatred of an external entity

more to the point though why are we discussing anything said by someone who makes gevlon look sociable and well-rounded


Because SA has been down for going on 2 days now and I am seriously struggling to distract myself from work

Can we just take a collection to buy Lowtax a few more hamsters and specify, this time explicitly, they are for running the server?
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#676 - 2014-06-24 20:55:18 UTC
MASSADEATH wrote:
Radric Davids wrote:
mamite and MoA do not see this as the grr project, hell the vast majority of them don't know what that is. You portray them as crusaders against the CFC, but in reality they are basically fleecing you for money.

All the enemies who actually pose a threat to CFC are organized. PL, N3 - organized. Random morons like marmite or small gangs in dek are not organized, and do not pose a threat. You will never, ever pose a threat because you think that working closely with other people is for 'dumb socials' and I highly doubt you even have mumble/ts3 installed on your computer. You will always be alone, and never be relevant



Firstly you dont know what MOA is thinking , and I will break my usual silence and actually reply to a CFC/Goonie scum lord.

Second., MOA is fully aware of what the Grr project is, and its great, it saves us from having to kill the CFC and goons in high sec so we can concentrate on 0.0

MOA's target's of choice are CFC and goons, we deploy and will go out of our way to kill them, and do everything in our power to disrupt them.

The "taking out the trash" deployments of the goons (3 deployments) against us are a testiment to us doing a good job against a very large and well organized group like the CFC and Goons. It was a dismal failure for the goons since they can really only kill static targets like POCOS and POS towers.

We are the last Bastion left in the north, and take the full brunt of your "forces"

Gevlon, seeing the good work we are doing and knowing that it takes isk to fight the evil scum lords CFC and Goonies, is giving us some isk to help out.

no strings attached... we are a fully independant alliance with no one but us calling the shots...and no RMT weasalage involved at the comand levels.

we thank him for his support. And we will push on and forward against the CFC and goons.

Gevlon at least has a vision, and some forward thinking on this matter and the plague of the blue donut. Which is more than I can say for the CFC and Goonie leaders (save Sion Kumitomo from GoonWaffe who is IMO the only one that has a brain in his head and possibly could be the games best hope from the goon side of things)

so..unless you want to "hellcamp" us for maybe 3-4 months... we are not going away, and the isk is 100% being used to fund killing CFC and goonies on the battlefield.

FYI you don't need to e-fellate Gevlon to keep the money flowing, he will throw it at you even if you openly say he's a loon.

Get up off your knees, your dignity can remain intact!

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Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#677 - 2014-06-24 20:56:08 UTC
heh heh

Though now I think about it, a MoA post thanking Gevlon for throwing them pocket change, basically just proves both orgs are circling the drain.

Good times.

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Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#678 - 2014-06-24 20:56:33 UTC
William Ruben wrote:

Can we just take a collection to buy Lowtax a few more hamsters and specify, this time explicitly, they are for running the server?


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MASSADEATH
MASS A DEATH
Scumlords
#679 - 2014-06-24 21:01:42 UTC
Every day we stand is a victory

We are fighting a vastly larger and more well organized coalition ...so the fact you have not even scratched us yet is a victory.

your attempts of "hellcamps" (total jokes) and multiple "taking out the trash" deployments are pure wins for us..as are the goonie and CFC tears we collect.

your only form of retaliation is blowing up static structures..so kudos for that... we love to see you grind (it clears out all evil indy operations as well so its a double bonus)

CFC and Goons ... Eve's elite static structure grinding force :) blob FTW




Arkady Romanov
Whole Squid
#680 - 2014-06-24 21:05:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Arkady Romanov
William Ruben wrote:
Can we just take a collection to buy Lowtax a few more hamsters and specify, this time explicitly, they are for running the server?


This is probably the longest time I've gone without reading or posting on the SA forums. I'm getting the withdrawal shakes.

Also Gevlon you should apply to MoA. Mostly because then we can come kill you without actually having to fly very far to get to you. I think you'd fit in well there (in as much as someone with your many, many character flaws can fit in with anybody). You can compare the chips on your shoulders and join in the Grr Goon circlejerking.

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