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Bring me the head of a CFC titan pilot!

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Radric Davids
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#601 - 2014-06-20 12:34:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Radric Davids
Gevlon's post about wars and interactions made my chuckle at my desk:

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Wars are negative sum interactions. Goonie loses jump freighter, I lose wardec cost and all we gained is laughing on the loss of the other one. War is the most expensive way of settling differences. Don't you think that if talking would work, it would have worked by now? So words are no longer serving another purpose than making the enemy mad


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Could I start such peace talks with Goons? Theoretically yes, but what should I give up to get peace from them? Practically playing EVE. They hated me before I even downloaded the client, because I'm a "pubbie". It's not what I do in EVE make them hate me, but what I do in real life: not participating on that horrible forum. They don't want me to reform, they don't want to assimilate me like the borg, they just want me to stop playing. So I - and every other "pubbie shitlord" - has nowhere to retreat besides ending our lives in New Eden.


Gevlon thinks he's people. How cute.

Goalposts actually thinks we consider his paying marmite's wardec as a real nullsec war, and that we will treat for peace and engage in diplomacy with him. He believes that we care about him beyond laughing at his blog and forums posts and dunking on his ridiculous theories/claims.

He thinks we would actually sue for peace, as if we give two ***** about his wardecs. If that doesn't demonstrate his delusions of grandeur I don't know what does


How's that titan bounty going? ~opportunity cost~
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#602 - 2014-06-20 12:39:37 UTC
gevlon is the dwarf on a pig jousting and has gotten hit on the head so hard he thinks he's a fearsome knight
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Caldari State
#603 - 2014-06-20 15:40:52 UTC
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#604 - 2014-06-20 18:06:55 UTC
I feel like playing devil's advocate. Goons, if you were Gelvon, what steps would you take as a moderately wealthy high sec trader to hurt the goon alliance?

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#605 - 2014-06-20 18:20:38 UTC
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
I feel like playing devil's advocate. Goons, if you were Gelvon, what steps would you take as a moderately wealthy high sec trader to hurt the goon alliance?

I'm not Goon, but I'd move my lazy ass out of station and actually try to do something useful.
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#606 - 2014-06-20 19:53:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Retar Aveymone
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
I feel like playing devil's advocate. Goons, if you were Gelvon, what steps would you take as a moderately wealthy high sec trader to hurt the goon alliance?

in short, through friends

money in EVE helps out with things but fundamentally in eve power flows from the people you can get to work together, not isk. isk is an enabler: some things require isk, but isk on its own gets you basically nowhere as you see with idiots dying in 30b golems, or with gevlon himself. a hundred people without much isk are hugely more effective at anything than one guy with tons of isk.

to do harm to goonswarm you need to be able to organize people to work together effectively towards a common goal. gevlon, with his autistic hatred of socials, is uniquely unable to understand any aspect of that. he can only understand money, and self-promotion. he'd never go for something where he's giving credit to the rest of his team: his "GRR Project" is all about Gevlon personally taking credit for as much of other people's work as he possibly can by supplying the cheapest, easiest to obtain element of any organization in eve

i mean think about it: say you're a hell of a freighter-killer. would you be inspired to help gevlon? every time you work for hours to hunt down a 30b whale, Gevlon is going to loudly announce that because he contributed some money towards the wardec, that 30b kill is his work. you will be utterly nameless, and if gevlon could take your name off the killmail he'll link while crowing about himself and replace it with his, he would.
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Gildinous Vangaurd
The Initiative.
#607 - 2014-06-20 21:14:23 UTC
Retar Aveymone wrote:
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
I feel like playing devil's advocate. Goons, if you were Gelvon, what steps would you take as a moderately wealthy high sec trader to hurt the goon alliance?

in short, through friends

money in EVE helps out with things but fundamentally in eve power flows from the people you can get to work together, not isk. isk is an enabler: some things require isk, but isk on its own gets you basically nowhere as you see with idiots dying in 30b golems, or with gevlon himself. a hundred people without much isk are hugely more effective at anything than one guy with tons of isk.

to do harm to goonswarm you need to be able to organize people to work together effectively towards a common goal.


This, in a nutshell.

To expand/elaborate::
1) you need friends/associates/contacts (FAC)
2) those FAC need to be reliable, competent and capable
3) in addition, the FAC need to feel that EVE without the Goons is better than EVE with them (in the position they are)
4) on top of that, you and the FAC have to be willing to put in the time, ISK and effort towards that goal
5) know the meta, understand it and work to manipulate it, including going through the CSM

Personally, I think it's #5 a lot of people either miss or don't consider. No matter how you feel about the Goons, they are due credit for having a very firm grasp on #5.

Disclaimer: I'm not one of these tinfoil hat freaks that thinks the Goons and CCP are sharing a bed

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Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#608 - 2014-06-21 00:19:12 UTC
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
I feel like playing devil's advocate. Goons, if you were Gelvon, what steps would you take as a moderately wealthy high sec trader to hurt the goon alliance?

The responces above mine here are decent, but don't literally answer the question - to which the answer is 'nothing'.
A lone highsec trader isn't going to impact us in any way.

His problem is he is out to prove that money (and money alone) can be used to harm us - because of that all the actions set out above aren't available to him. He has long since realised that any impact he could possibly have would be inside the margin of error of whatever he is trying to change, so he leans hard on these silly analyses where he tries to correlate his tiny impact against a larger shift.

He's not dumb enough to not know what he's doing, he's just not smart enough to hide it, and he is dumb enough to think anyone will fall for it.

He's created something pretty much unique on the eve forums in the last 2 or 3 years - an anti-goonswarm thread that has absolutely no one agreeing with him. I'm not kidding, this is possibly the only 'grr goons' thread in recent history that has failed to get any traction whatsoever, even from the hard-line tinfoilers.

To misuse Toby Ziegler's words: "And you got to ask yourself, if no one on the Internet wants a piece of this, just how far from the pack have you strayed?"

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Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#609 - 2014-06-22 06:40:55 UTC
Retar Aveymone wrote:
to do harm to goonswarm you need to be able to organize people to work together effectively towards a common goal.

The summary of the Goon Lie. It's created to make enemies of Goons waste their time herding cats until they burn out and quit and cause no damage to Goons in the meantime.

Can one person defeat CFC all alone? Of course not. But luckily not just one wants to defeat the Goons. However these people don't have to cooperate or even talk to. An AFK cloaker small corp in Deklein doesn't need any connection to a Deklein roamer, a highsec camper or a hostile coalition. They just needs an AFK cloaker alt and a blops gang.

I don't hang out with Marmite or MoA guys. I don't share channels with them. We don't send each other jokes (besides killmails with fat Goonies). I do my job and they do theirs. That's the message of GRR: do your job, ignore the rest, don't waste time with diplomacy and Goonies will fall.

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Pete Butcher
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#610 - 2014-06-22 07:26:45 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Retar Aveymone wrote:
to do harm to goonswarm you need to be able to organize people to work together effectively towards a common goal.

The summary of the Goon Lie. It's created to make enemies of Goons waste their time herding cats until they burn out and quit and cause no damage to Goons in the meantime.

Can one person defeat CFC all alone? Of course not. But luckily not just one wants to defeat the Goons. However these people don't have to cooperate or even talk to. An AFK cloaker small corp in Deklein doesn't need any connection to a Deklein roamer, a highsec camper or a hostile coalition. They just needs an AFK cloaker alt and a blops gang.

I don't hang out with Marmite or MoA guys. I don't share channels with them. We don't send each other jokes (besides killmails with fat Goonies). I do my job and they do theirs. That's the message of GRR: do your job, ignore the rest, don't waste time with diplomacy and Goonies will fall.


Except that Goons still control most of Eve, still do what they always did and have the biggest firepower. You post a lot of words how you're winning, along with lots of misinterpreted data (you still haven't responded to proving you fail at math) and the effect is? Nothing. You made a hell of a laughing stock of yourself, you made yourself poor, you're rambling like a madman and goons still enjoy their lives. Now please link me a freighter jita killmail, to prove cfc is falling.

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Deep Space Coalition
Fraternity.
#611 - 2014-06-22 07:29:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Catalytic morphisis
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Retar Aveymone wrote:
to do harm to goonswarm you need to be able to organize people to work together effectively towards a common goal.

The summary of the Goon Lie. It's created to make enemies of Goons waste their time herding cats until they burn out and quit and cause no damage to Goons in the meantime.

Can one person defeat CFC all alone? Of course not. But luckily not just one wants to defeat the Goons. However these people don't have to cooperate or even talk to. An AFK cloaker small corp in Deklein doesn't need any connection to a Deklein roamer, a highsec camper or a hostile coalition. They just needs an AFK cloaker alt and a blops gang.

I don't hang out with Marmite or MoA guys. I don't share channels with them. We don't send each other jokes (besides killmails with fat Goonies). I do my job and they do theirs. That's the message of GRR: do your job, ignore the rest, don't waste time with diplomacy and Goonies will fall.

I really would like to be in your head for a minute, No more than that as the sheer amount of retardation might corrupt me. Your basic message is in itself proof that you will never achieve anything except for throw money at a "cause" that only you believe in, Being that I've been in marmite and am actually friendly with them and have been for the last 5 years I know for a fact they honestly couldn't give a **** about the goons, they are just after juicy kills and if someone will pay them for that then why the **** wouldn't they do it?

Diplomacy in general is a massive key to success in EVE, I think you forget this isn't WoW to be honest, you should probably go back there as your entire viewpoint on everything you mention is so far from 99.994% of EVE players you will never make any real friends here, Just people who find it fun to mock you, Me being one of them

Finally, You have caused literally no disruption to the CFC and you never will, you're just the biggest laughing stock in EVE currently

Edit: there are also the people who are loving being able to extort you for cash, and who can blame them? its free money to do exactly what they've been doing for the previous 3 years before you even knew about this game

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Arkady Romanov
Whole Squid
#612 - 2014-06-22 07:31:08 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
I don't hang out with Marmite or MoA guys. I don't share channels with them. We don't send each other jokes (besides killmails with fat Goonies). I do my job and they do theirs. That's the message of GRR: do your job, ignore the rest, don't waste time with diplomacy and Goonies will fall.


You don't hang out with Marmite and MoA because while they are happy to take your money, they can't stand you. Lets not pretend that arrangement has anything to do with efficiency and tactics, mmm?

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#613 - 2014-06-22 09:23:47 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:

The summary of the Goon Lie. It's created to make enemies of Goons waste their time herding cats until they burn out and quit and cause no damage to Goons in the meantime.

Can one person defeat CFC all alone? Of course not. But luckily not just one wants to defeat the Goons. However these people don't have to cooperate or even talk to. An AFK cloaker small corp in Deklein doesn't need any connection to a Deklein roamer, a highsec camper or a hostile coalition. They just needs an AFK cloaker alt and a blops gang.

I don't hang out with Marmite or MoA guys. I don't share channels with them. We don't send each other jokes (besides killmails with fat Goonies). I do my job and they do theirs. That's the message of GRR: do your job, ignore the rest, don't waste time with diplomacy and Goonies will fall.



Just look at the way Null is being held, hundreds of bootstrappy young Randian supergods. It's totally not being held by multi-thousand strong groups of players, bound together by common social activities and groupings.

The evidence is right there guys, just build a graph and study it out!

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Radric Davids
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#614 - 2014-06-22 10:55:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Radric Davids
mamite and MoA do not see this as the grr project, hell the vast majority of them don't know what that is. You portray them as crusaders against the CFC, but in reality they are basically fleecing you for money.

All the enemies who actually pose a threat to CFC are organized. PL, N3 - organized. Random morons like marmite or small gangs in dek are not organized, and do not pose a threat. You will never, ever pose a threat because you think that working closely with other people is for 'dumb socials' and I highly doubt you even have mumble/ts3 installed on your computer. You will always be alone, and never be relevant
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#615 - 2014-06-22 12:48:43 UTC
sorry i'm late. you know that saying about fighting against something for not having anything to live for. this is that

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#616 - 2014-06-22 14:11:40 UTC
Radric Davids wrote:
mamite and MoA do not see this as the grr project, hell the vast majority of them don't know what that is. You portray them as crusaders against the CFC, but in reality they are basically fleecing you for money.

All the enemies who actually pose a threat to CFC are organized. PL, N3 - organized. Random morons like marmite or small gangs in dek are not organized, and do not pose a threat. You will never, ever pose a threat because you think that working closely with other people is for 'dumb socials' and I highly doubt you even have mumble/ts3 installed on your computer. You will always be alone, and never be relevant


I enjoy reading random, irrelevant morons enthusiastically shitposting about random, irrelevant morons.

Please continue.
Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#617 - 2014-06-22 14:58:35 UTC
That kind of proves there's no organized plan beyond Marmite/MoA milking Gev for cash and having a blast.

As for posting, Gevlon's blogposting might've hit a new low since at this moment not even EN24 is mirroring his blogposts as articles.

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Northern Coalition.
#618 - 2014-06-22 16:10:25 UTC
Radric Davids wrote:
mamite and MoA do not see this as the grr project, hell the vast majority of them don't know what that is. You portray them as crusaders against the CFC, but in reality they are basically fleecing you for money.

All the enemies who actually pose a threat to CFC are organized. PL, N3 - organized. Random morons like marmite or small gangs in dek are not organized, and do not pose a threat. You will never, ever pose a threat because you think that working closely with other people is for 'dumb socials' and I highly doubt you even have mumble/ts3 installed on your computer. You will always be alone, and never be relevant


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#619 - 2014-06-23 05:53:51 UTC
Trii Seo wrote:
As for posting, Gevlon's blogposting might've hit a new low since at this moment not even EN24 is mirroring his blogposts as articles.
It's probably because he hasn't posted anything new in about 6 months, just the same sentence with different wording. Even I'm too bored to read his posts, and I love reading terrible posts.

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#620 - 2014-06-23 10:30:23 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Trii Seo wrote:
As for posting, Gevlon's blogposting might've hit a new low since at this moment not even EN24 is mirroring his blogposts as articles.
It's probably because he hasn't posted anything new in about 6 months, just the same sentence with different wording. Even I'm too bored to read his posts, and I love reading terrible posts.

Bobmon swapped a promise that he'd never let another Gevlon post go on EN24 in exchange for a PL vouch. Basically even GSF's enemies think Gevlon is such a loon, that they wouldn't let the guy in unless he promised to stop paying Gevlon to mirror the articles. Welp!
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
The summary of the Goon Lie. It's created to make enemies of Goons waste their time herding cats until they burn out and quit and cause no damage to Goons in the meantime.

Wait - we only oppose large groups / coalitions that can equal our military power because that's the one thing that can't harm us?
Is this even a real claim you are making?
Are you actually deluded enough to believe this?
ANYWAY - another blog post, and another "lie" that "we" posted which turns out to be the truth after all
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
There would be no point of me having titans since I wouldn't use them anyway.

Cause you gotta remember his "victory condition" for Eve:
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
So to prove without question that the objective-oriented, a-social "goblinish" approach is the way to win, I must pwn them.
[...]
There is a ship which is "pwning" in itself. One that makes or breaks the epic 1000+ battles. One that blaps (oneshots) other ships. One whose demise make it into the news and make the the ones killed it heroes. The titan.

So, to prove that the best way to "win" EVE is being a ruthless, a-social businessman is to pilot a titan. Of course it will need me to join a nullsec alliance. I will have months to find one.

It seems to me, that through your own actions, you have completely ruled out your own victory condition.

So it makes me wonder - at what point will you give up and admit you failed at eve? Failed to prove your a-social vision is fundamentally flawed?

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