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Bring me the head of a CFC titan pilot!

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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Shadow Cartel
#341 - 2014-06-06 15:15:17 UTC
With Gevlon's math and personal alliance failing, he needs something to get his campaign back on track.

How many days has it been since he's posted a racist or sexist tirade? Two? Might be time to give his troops a shot in the arm with one of those.

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM

Magnus Cortex
Ginger Industrial Solutions
#342 - 2014-06-06 16:15:23 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
This case the project I brought together cost 12.3% of the total losses of the CFC over a year. 0.123*40811 = 5020. So I'm all alone (as I have no friends everything I do I do alone) holding the line against 5000 dudes. I can live with that "failure".


So you just need to ramp up your spending by 88% to achieve ultimate victory. This my friend, is your logical fallacy. No amount of money can make Marmite have more than 300 members. The members they do have shoot CFC whenever they can, as much as they can. They would do so whether you paid for it or not.

The enemies goons have shoot goons whenever they can, they dont need to be paid either. They have been enemies of goons for many years. Creating a fresh alliance (Lemmings) only ended up stealing kills Marmite would have gotten, it didnt create new kills out of thin air.
Charles Case
State War Academy
Caldari State
#343 - 2014-06-06 17:06:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Charles Case
This is literally Gevlon , except he talks to himself in front of the mirror.

e: The reaction from the guy in secs 45 - 50 is how i react after reading one of Gevlon's posts.
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#344 - 2014-06-06 17:13:14 UTC
Someone please refresh my memory:

What was the deal with the whole "bombless bombers" thing? Like his point? Im guessing he does not know that bombing in a fleet takes coordination AND there is a timer for bomb release of a few mins?

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John Ending
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#345 - 2014-06-06 17:25:59 UTC  |  Edited by: John Ending
Leto Thule wrote:
Someone please refresh my memory:

What was the deal with the whole "bombless bombers" thing? Like his point? Im guessing he does not know that bombing in a fleet takes coordination AND there is a timer for bomb release of a few mins?


During the Fountain War we used ab stealth bombers fit for max torp dps that can speed tank pos guns and do 500 dps to get a lot of things done instead of sending out supercaps or dreads and having to fight a B-R every other day.

These stealth bombers called: siegefleet caused soo much rage people still talk about it a year later.
Radric Davids
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#346 - 2014-06-06 17:59:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Radric Davids
Leto Thule wrote:
Someone please refresh my memory:

What was the deal with the whole "bombless bombers" thing? Like his point? Im guessing he does not know that bombing in a fleet takes coordination AND there is a timer for bomb release of a few mins?


Gevlon doesn't understand pvp doctrines and sov warfare. He doesn't comprehend the idea of using a bomber to do something other than what the name suggests (bombing). He is just brainlessly repeating something he heard a long time ago as if its some kind of insult or evidence that CFC members are poor. The fact that a cheap swarm of high dps, fast, cloaky ships were used as an extremely low risk, low investment, difficult-to-counter way to grind post/towers/sov does not compute for him.

Gevlon is the king of misconstruing information to mean whatever he wants it to mean. bombless bombers = we must be poor. destroying 60m per cfc pilot per year = victory. Every conclusion he makes is based on delusions of some connection that doesnt exist
Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#347 - 2014-06-06 18:11:18 UTC
Magnus Cortex wrote:

So you just need to ramp up your spending by 88% to achieve ultimate victory. This my friend, is your logical fallacy. No amount of money can make Marmite have more than 300 members. The members they do have shoot CFC whenever they can, as much as they can. They would do so whether you paid for it or not.

The enemies goons have shoot goons whenever they can, they dont need to be paid either. They have been enemies of goons for many years. Creating a fresh alliance (Lemmings) only ended up stealing kills Marmite would have gotten, it didnt create new kills out of thin air.


You are right that highsec damage to CFC is limited and Lemmings competed Marmite for the kills. This is why they were sent to nullsec.

Marmite can't shoot CFC unless the expensive wardecs. I checked it when the project started: Marmites decced GSF for 40% of 2014. The rest of CFC alliances were decced for a few weeks. They dec all CFC 100% of the time in 2014. And this is what you can't see: Marmite would like to permadec everyone but can't afford it. The enemies of the Goons would like to shoot Goons, but must pause to rat up losses. Now they can kill more Goonies.

The income saved on Lemmings goes to Mordus Angels. You know them right? They are the guys who are trolling you while you are hellcamping an NPC station, which is probably the only way to waste more time than do the work of 1 dread in 15 bombers.

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Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#348 - 2014-06-06 18:16:45 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:

Marmite can't shoot CFC unless the expensive wardecs. I checked it when the project started: Marmites decced GSF for 40% of 2014. The rest of CFC alliances were decced for a few weeks. They dec all CFC 100% of the time in 2014. And this is what you can't see: Marmite would like to permadec everyone but can't afford it. The enemies of the Goons would like to shoot Goons, but must pause to rat up losses. Now they can kill more Goonies.

you've just admitted your claimed success is actually only 60% of what it is simply off the top (you've admitted 40% would have happened anyway) even if we accept all of your other assumptions as true

boy, that makes your numbers look even worse
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#349 - 2014-06-06 18:37:00 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:

....... do the work of 1 dread in 15 bombers.



LMFAO. Now I see what he is saying. He cannot grasp why you would use bombers instead of dropping caps. Sigh.


Goblin, LTE.

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Radric Davids
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#350 - 2014-06-06 18:43:56 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:

You are right that highsec damage to CFC is limited and Lemmings competed Marmite for the kills. This is why they were sent to nullsec.

Marmite can't shoot CFC unless the expensive wardecs. I checked it when the project started: Marmites decced GSF for 40% of 2014. The rest of CFC alliances were decced for a few weeks. They dec all CFC 100% of the time in 2014. And this is what you can't see: Marmite would like to permadec everyone but can't afford it. The enemies of the Goons would like to shoot Goons, but must pause to rat up losses. Now they can kill more Goonies.

The income saved on Lemmings goes to Mordus Angels. You know them right? They are the guys who are trolling you while you are hellcamping an NPC station, which is probably the only way to waste more time than do the work of 1 dread in 15 bombers.



Again, you are not grasping the point of siege fleet. Grinding with dreads puts valuable assets at risk, and gives the enemy the initiative. Instead of exposing your dreads and giving the enemy the initiative and the ability to choose the engagement so it best suits them, you force them into an awkward choice of how to defend. If they drop a huge fleet, you can choose to cloak up and come back another day. Or, you can cyno in a larger capital fleet on your terms.

I know warfare and strategy is foreign to you, but giving the enemy the opening to engage on their terms loses wars. Forcing them to expose themselves to defend against cheapass bombers gives you a massive advantage.


MoA has barely even showed up to fight us during our nightly camp of X-70 - when they have joined the fight, they have been largely inconsequential. Maybe MoA will fight us more with your measly contribution now. They never formed or achieved anything of consequence during their stint with the CFC, and nothing has changed. They are as useless and irrelevant as lemmings.

I said it once, and I will mention it again - try reading over your posts before pressing the button.
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#351 - 2014-06-06 18:44:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Retar Aveymone
oh my god i ran the numbers and this is hilarious

so gevlon claims 175b worth of damage to GSF (just GSF, not the CFC) over five months. Approximately 2/3rds of that inflicted by marmite, so about 117b of damage to goons over five months, or about 777m per day - at this rate, a total damage of 283b over an entire year

well, what about before gevlon?

before gevlon, according to gevlon, marmite was doing 1.36b in damage per day there was an actual war (and there was an actual war about 43% of the time). it's obvious that's because the lulls in the wars got dumb goons used to flying in highsec and then pow, wardec and they get murdered.

now, everyone gets used to perma-wardec

so basically, gevlon spends himself broke for barely any increase in damage - marmite has us wardecced a little over double the time, but does a little over half the damage

so pre-gevlon, total damage was 216.5b, according to gevlon himself
post-gevlon, 283b

so all in all, gevlon does 67b of damage to goonswarm with his marmite wars. or in other words, gevlon does a mere 23% of the damage he claims

all at the cost of bankrupting himself. gevlon has done 264b (23% of his claimed total), and he's spent 180b on wardecs (9b * 4 weeks per month * 5 months)

so in other words, gevlon personally spends 1b to spread 1.46b of damage among something like 40k people. gevlon notices every single billion that leaves his wallet and cries a little inside. those 40k people lose 36k of isk each time he spends a billion.

i'm pretty sure we get more than 36k isk worth of entertainment out of each billion gevlon loses
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#352 - 2014-06-06 18:46:36 UTC
just think: when you see a 8b jump freighter some idiot in SMA lost, remember that gevlon also lost about 5.7b isk to get that kill

you get to gloat over TWO idiots losing billions
Magnus Cortex
Ginger Industrial Solutions
#353 - 2014-06-06 18:51:43 UTC
Mordus actively runs away from pvp and does not engage us. They roam 10 dudes in interceptors once per day. If you think this will achieve greater than 27m in personal damage to me over 5 months than by all means empty your wallet into Gen Eves.
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#354 - 2014-06-06 18:52:58 UTC
also fun fact: gevlon's 20b is sitting in chribba's escrow

it may seem like he's losing nothing, but that's not true: it's fairly easy to get about 5% return on capital per month in eve. sitting in chribba's wallet though, he gains nothing

so every single month gevlon's bounty sits in chribba's wallet, gevlon loses about a billion isk, which he will continue losing until he finally cries uncle and asks for it back
Charles Case
State War Academy
Caldari State
#355 - 2014-06-06 18:54:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Charles Case
VegasMirage
Blank-Space
Northern Coalition.
#356 - 2014-06-06 20:43:36 UTC
Xolve wrote:
Ground Floor.


SHUT UP!

no more games... it's real this time!!!

Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#357 - 2014-06-07 04:26:18 UTC
Retar Aveymone wrote:
just think: when you see a 8b jump freighter some idiot in SMA lost, remember that gevlon also lost about 5.7b isk to get that kill

you get to gloat over TWO idiots losing billions

I love how you despise your minions, despite SMA isn't the main trophy source. FCON and CO2 lost more, but GSF fost 2x more. The #1 losers are of course renters, but it takes a "special" kid to rent from Goons when he could rent from N3 or PL.

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Pete Butcher
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#358 - 2014-06-07 07:47:16 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Retar Aveymone wrote:
just think: when you see a 8b jump freighter some idiot in SMA lost, remember that gevlon also lost about 5.7b isk to get that kill

you get to gloat over TWO idiots losing billions

I love how you despise your minions, despite SMA isn't the main trophy source. FCON and CO2 lost more, but GSF fost 2x more. The #1 losers are of course renters, but it takes a "special" kid to rent from Goons when he could rent from N3 or PL.


It takes a "special" kind to constantly fail at everything.

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Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#359 - 2014-06-07 11:48:49 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Retar Aveymone wrote:
just think: when you see a 8b jump freighter some idiot in SMA lost, remember that gevlon also lost about 5.7b isk to get that kill

you get to gloat over TWO idiots losing billions

I love how you despise your minions, despite SMA isn't the main trophy source. FCON and CO2 lost more, but GSF fost 2x more. The #1 losers are of course renters, but it takes a "special" kid to rent from Goons when he could rent from N3 or PL.

that's very true, when any of us see an idiot in goonwaffe losing an 8b jump freighter because he brought it to highsec we also get to gloat over the two idiots who lost billions, jump freighter dude and you
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#360 - 2014-06-07 12:48:39 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
The #1 losers are of course renters, but it takes a "special" kid to rent from Goons when he could rent from N3 or PL.
Could you let me know what it is that makes renting from N3 and PL so much better? I mean not a "I HATE GOONS WAAAH!", but from the renters point of view, what benefit they get? I mean lets face it, you don't know because you don't bother to look before you make dumb remarks, you just assume that because you hate the goons because they wouldn't let you join the party that everyone hates them and they'll all cut off their nose to spite their face.

By the way, congrats on confirming your descent into poverty.

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