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[Kronos] Medium Micro Jump Drives

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Lothras Andastar
Doomheim
#161 - 2014-05-18 01:45:38 UTC
Medium MJD should only shoot you 75km.
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#162 - 2014-05-18 01:46:40 UTC
Rowells wrote:

send out tackle, if they warp off then thats no different than now, however if you do get a successful tackle you can now be there for the kill quickly.


Except the first thing they are going to do once longpointed is activate their own mjds.


LAMIA BR0N
Evanescence being
#163 - 2014-05-18 01:47:28 UTC  |  Edited by: LAMIA BR0N
Terribly.

Battle into a "skipping rope"until you get bored or someone you sleep and not get caught scrambler.

If you think about fleets - how many days will now go such "skipping rope" big fleets in 0.0 with TD 80-90% is just terrible to imagine.
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#164 - 2014-05-18 02:31:27 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
Trinkets friend wrote:

If you are in, say, a wormhole, you fit am mMJD and the moment you see something on scan, you just light it and voila, you are 100km away from where you were. LOLOL. Fail.

As opposed to just hitting a 150k+ bounce. Ok.

Trinkets friend wrote:

Camping a gate and the gate guns are a bit pesky? Why, just fit an mMJD and sit 60km off the gate. 12s later, and voila, you have shed gate gun aggro and can warp back to 60km. Hello pathetic gate camps, again. Fail.

Yup, 12 seconds to mjd away or 8 seconds to warp to a 150k+ bounce off the gate. Hmmmmmm......

Trinkets friend wrote:

Or sit at zero on a gate, with a buddy in a linked Vigilant.

And then a linked arazu/lachesis/keres comes in and scrams you from 30k+ while damping your ass. I can throw links around too.

Trinkets friend wrote:

Ratting in low or null? Why, just fit an MJD. When you're sick of being at zero in a belt or anomaly, just align somewhere (can take all of 4s!) MJD and laugh at the ceptors trying to catch you. LOLOL. Fail.

As opposed to what happens now when a neut hits local? Honestly, most ratting ishtars can warp off faster then 12 seconds anyway.

Trinkets friend wrote:

The only counter to this is obviously the Mordus ships

And the Arazu, Lachesis, Keres, and proteus. Oh we're forgetting about them? Well, that's convenient.
Bland Inquisitor
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#165 - 2014-05-18 02:48:03 UTC
so much whine, I've run out of cheese.

This is a good idea, I still stand by what I said in my first post (page 1).

The only problem really when it boils down to it is the question "well, why use a battleship?" Other ship classes can out-tank, out dps, out maneuver battleships to the point of them being obsolete. With the added pressure from ISBoxing 1 man bomber squads, I fear for the future of the Battleship in combat.

The MJD was a niche the BS had over its counter-parts. Now however, I'm struggling to envision a reason to use a T1 BS at all.

BS are fat (mass), slow (align and warp speed, lock speed) that when fit for tank and spank output dps in the 600 range and an ehp in the 100-150k range. They are the most prone to bombing runs, the hardest to move from point a to point b and they hit like a wet paper bag.

Quote:
A battleship is a large armored warship with a main battery consisting of heavy caliber guns. During the late 19th and early 20th centuries the battleship was the most powerful type of warship, and a fleet of battleships was vital for any nation which desired to maintain command of the sea.


It seems to me like the battleship should be able to use capital guns and just not siege. Tracking would make them terrible for anything small but as the mainly get used in large fleet combat based around structure bashing and capital kills I don't see a reason why they shouldn't have the option to fit large and X-Large weapons.
Kelsi Monroe
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#166 - 2014-05-18 02:51:15 UTC
Another step away of non consensual pvp.
Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#167 - 2014-05-18 02:57:32 UTC
X ATM092 wrote:
"People take more risks if the risks aren't risky anymore"

Might as well remove all forms of warp disruption from the game so people are more willing to take fights where they might lose their ships.

Honestly the day Riot poach Rise and Fozzie can't come soon enough, we've paid our dues here in EVE, why can't some other gaming community suffer them for a while.

"people take risks if theres something they can do about those risks"

I'm not going to jump into a well if i have no way to get out. However if I bring something to help me get out, then away I go.

The risk before was, get tackled by the two easiest forms of tackle = dead. with options like this (granted not all ships need them) then there is a better chance for me. It is often because of this, that fleets will not even engage. Simply because you know it will be nothing but a a**pounding, which is no fun.
Nano Sito
#168 - 2014-05-18 03:38:35 UTC
Another genius idea by CCP Flossie.
Esur A'saw Ti
Wont To Buy
#169 - 2014-05-18 04:18:55 UTC
Hey ccp, you know it's a good idea when most people that are mad about it are risk averse pirates !!!!!
epik idea 10/10 will buy 10 more eve online accounts because of this
Vlade Randal
Kenshin.
Fraternity.
#170 - 2014-05-18 04:34:08 UTC
MMJD = Bad Idea
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#171 - 2014-05-18 04:58:01 UTC
I'm still waiting for a proper attack BC nerf. we're talking 'T3 cruiser' levels of broken here.
Bionic Wolf
Doomheim
#172 - 2014-05-18 05:00:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Bionic Wolf
It makes you wonder with how hard CCP are making it to actually kill anything, particularly in small gangs whether this is a deliberate business strategy as we all know the bears provide most of the subs.

Its become way too hard for solo and small gang roamers to get kills, and we all know how this module will largely be used.... as a means of escape or for positioning....such as through an acceleration gate and 100km off the beacon where it takes considerable time to be caught.

This progression towards PVP being consensual is worrying, and personally makes me wonder whether the effort is worth it anymore. It has become too time consuming and frustrating for too little reward to keep bothering with.
Shade Millith
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#173 - 2014-05-18 05:04:26 UTC
I do not like the idea of this.

Forcing smaller ships into web/scram/medium neut range just to be able to hold a target in place is going to make BC's stupidly powerful.
Aralieus
Shadowbane Syndicate
#174 - 2014-05-18 05:08:40 UTC
Omg the tears...ty for this fozzie, seriously man ty

I for one cant wait to slap one on my Abso and go roaming...if anything it allow more solo pvp activities to not diaf as often. Idk know what all these haters are talkin bout.

Oderint Dum Metuant
cBuHoIIac
SoT
DarkSide.
#175 - 2014-05-18 05:45:58 UTC
no brain
no tactics
Ralagina
Fighters of the Rising Sun
#176 - 2014-05-18 06:00:13 UTC
CCP Stop killing pvp!

Enough make modules and not think how the will work Evil

Im disappointed.
Maennas Vaer
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#177 - 2014-05-18 06:03:54 UTC
Think it's time to add some faction and deadspace MJD's please Fozzie. Big smile

NEEDS MOAR SHINEY!
Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
#178 - 2014-05-18 06:06:52 UTC
X ATM092 wrote:
Trinkets friend wrote:

I wonder if Fozzie has the courage to go back on this idea at all, given 95% of the feedback is completely negative? Man up, Fozzie.

I would be very surprised if he does go back on it, he's never listened to reason before. It's not an issue of courage, rather Fozzie seems to genuinely believe he's good at this game and knows what he's doing. That's what makes him so dangerous to this game.

quoted for the truth

Fozzie is a loose cannon
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#179 - 2014-05-18 06:40:04 UTC
Money Makin Mitch wrote:
X ATM092 wrote:
Trinkets friend wrote:

I wonder if Fozzie has the courage to go back on this idea at all, given 95% of the feedback is completely negative? Man up, Fozzie.

I would be very surprised if he does go back on it, he's never listened to reason before. It's not an issue of courage, rather Fozzie seems to genuinely believe he's good at this game and knows what he's doing. That's what makes him so dangerous to this game.

quoted for the truth

Fozzie is a loose cannon

You guys are exaggerating. The vast majority of the changes Fozzie has done have been in the direction of drastically improving the game. Sure I am not for a medium MJD on ABCs but in no way am I going to declare all the changes Fozzie has made are bad.

I wish I was better at spreadsheets, graphs and numbers to illustrate why allowing a MJD on ABCs is bad. They are very fast. Do an amazing job of blapping small support while blazing towards an align point. Tackling one that has a MJD fit means your transversal will be even lower to get within scram range. The only thing that is fast enough to catch them, is that small support that will be ultra easy to blap.

Maybe some can show the hard numbers and pretty graphs to support that and Fozzie will take notice. Oops
Terion Ceravie
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#180 - 2014-05-18 06:40:50 UTC
This sir, is not a welcomed addition to EVE. You are destroying the usefulness of the long point. The only reason why a long point is ever needed is to allow to hold something down where you dictate range and speed as your defense.

The heavier target still has options like ECM drones or the likes. What, you decided to go around solo in a fully armor tanked big slow baddie and decided not to bring anything to defend you against paper thin, fast and agile ships? Though.....

Seriously though, this is the death of nano cruiser gangs that use speed and agility, pvp skills and tactics to engage a on paper superior force. I guess leaving anything to skill is unwise?

Very disappointing, please stop this horrible change to our current meta.


Love that Myrm Mr. ATM. That's what I will be flying if this crazy change goes through.