Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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have i been banned or did this break?? lol

oh well, see post 806 for how to choose the nerf YOU want

Are Freighters and Jump Freighters also having their packaged volume increased to 1.3m m3? It would be nice to move freighters inside other freighters.

Will the maximum size of courier contracts be increased to meet the new maximum volume that freighters can carry?

Combining the two together would allow for courier contracts to be made for Freighters.

…and as has been explained on multiple occasions now (as in the past), you will never be able to do that because the amount of nerfs required to properly balance all fitting combinations would by far outnumber what you'd be able to compensate for with a limited fitting space.

How much?

As has been made abundantly clear by now, I've been against this idea since the first time I saw it come up. Would you like to take a stab at guessing why that is?

Tough. That's the only way to do it that doesn't cascade into a whole new set of problems that is far bigger than the tiny grievance you're having. Either you use the existing systems — which are largely based on adding bonuses to a less capable hull — or you invent a completely new one that is specific to this one ship class, which does the exact opposite by adding penalties to a capable one. Since the latter is simply not worth it, we get the former, and that means the freighter hulls have to be made less capable.

It's really as simple as that.

They also massively reduce the risk since the odds of ending up as a kill mail go down, or — if you so choose — they increase the rewards since you can haul far more than you could before. If you end up with 100% risk and 0% rewards, it's because you made a thoroughly terrible choice, which means the rigs are not a factor — it's your decision-making process that is at fault.

…and, hell, with the final numbers I'm seeing once you apply skills and more sensible (i.e. less extremist) fits, you sometimes don't even have to put two of those factors in the risk column. Depending on the final outcome, I may even ha spotted a few where you get two of them on the reward side of the calculation…

In fact what is wrong in making the JF's and freighters have a low module each and so we can use a DCU II, the rigs are just a big annoyance and add a huge cost to what are already expensive ships. The changes to cargo capacity while hurting me make hisec industry more viable against null sec when the refining changes hit so why not.

because the resulting nerf in order to keep the ships balanced would drown us all in a sea of tears that's already close to overflowing.

1 lowslot on the frighter would mean , dcu as tank, cargo expander as cargo, inertia stab for agility or nano or even a Capital AAR

And is that a bad thing for a game that is paper rock scissors?

Male bovine manure.

The average chance per year of getting hit by lightening for someone living in the US is around 1 in 500,000.

In EVE terms this means, that for the chances to just be equal, then there has to be an average of 500,000 freighter pilots active for each freighter killed by suicide ganks in EVE per year.

So with a total of 155 freighters and jump freighters killed just during the four days of Burn Jita 3, those losses alone would require a total of 155 * 500,000 = 77,500,000 individual (jump) freighter pilots being active in space at least once in a given year.

Then there are all the other suicide kills, like the ongoing CODEdot campaign in Isanamo, the russians and CFC in Niarja etc.

Somehow your statement seems just a tiny bit unlikely to be true...