Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I actually agree with this a lot. The scanning immunity is kinda useless against players due to cloak, and it flat does not work against CONCORD or Customs Officers. A buff to the booster manufacturing industry would be nice, as in their current iteration, the only market you really have is your own alliance.

It's already as been proved than scan immunity is a way to force BR pilot ,to actively fly the ship.

There is no need to remove the characteristic as it's quite easy to suicide gank an AP BR for a minimal loose a meta 3 Catalyst cost 4 M you only need 2 of them to blap it in a 0.6 system .

Anyone can go on Zkillboard >class >blockade runner take the first ten kill in high sec system add the dropped values and remove the value of 20 meta 3 cat ,to see than blapping AP BR is already a quite profitable sport .

Asking to remove the charasteristic is only a way to abuse lag,insta locking,forced uncloacking,bumping and human error to increase profit on actively flied BR .

I said as much before. I don't have it backwards, both perspectives are correct. It increases risk for empty/low-value cargo hauling, and it decreases risk for high-value hauling.

So we have tankers who say it's too risky to hank BRs without cargo scan and pilots who say it's too dangerous to fly with scan immunity.

There seems to be a disconnect.

If disagree with you mean i am incoherent ,i'll gladly take the blame .
Unfortunatly except personnal attack and flaming ,you fail to come with a valid argument .

So why do you want an automatic safety net for when you fly a blockade runner badly?

Except neither of these are good.

Blockade runners should want to be able to be scanned when they have empty cargoholds.
And less risk for going AFK with high-value cargo is not good for the game.

Honestly, I see it as being the same before and after. The only difference is that if they're not scannable, there's more risk on the ganker and equal risk (or SLIGHTLY diminished) for the transport pilot. There's nothing inherently wrong with this, both because the "lawful" path should generally be lower risk, as befits the transport role, and because this is already the status quo. Remember - the gankers are pirates. They're inherently engaging in a more risky business by choice and default.

It provides compelling gameplay - do the gankers want to take the risk.

If they become scanable, then it removes basically all (actually DOES remove all) risk from the gankers. The pirates now have a zero-risk venture. Meanwhile, it's an increased risk for the transport pilots from now. Basically, breaking the law becomes the low risk activity.

It was like I asked in my earlier post:







I don't see "both sides" getting what they want. I see the gankers getting what they want and GOOD BR pilots coming out equal to what they are now, bad ones losing. This is all to favor the gankers and does nothing for the BR pilots.

So there's no "both sides" getting what they want here.

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Look, answer my question, because that other guy doesn't want to:

What risk remains to gankers if they could scan BR cargo holds?

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Give me an answer to that question. Because if this removes the risk to the gankers, now we have to ask, what is the risk to them?

Because no activity in Eve should go without a risk. There should be nothing that makes reward with no risk. The lower the risk, the lower the reward. But we're talking gankers getting stuff for free, basically, with zero risk.

So do tell me - what is the risk to the ganker with an unscanable BR?

Will you be able to fit a micro jump drive to a BR?
Because that's just wow :3 hello null sec gate camper's river of tears.

Are Hull lengths under review AT ALL?
As this is a deep determining factor of the small chance you DO have to get caught and locked.

Changes are great, didnt i read earlier that someone got a viator above 15000m3?
hello new market for ship delivery, and also what are people excited to be using that second high for?
honestly it means very little to me so i'd like to know why its so celebrated. probably a cyno?

Reworking the EHP profiles though.. obviously some becoming far more squishy then they had been previously.
viator losin a chunk of shield hp.. yay for no dcu hull tanking when i accidentally warp to gate with a bunch of flashy reds ^_^

Warp speed is a bonus these things had long coming. Might not seem like they're used deep into null right now but with ANY availability of the MJD cruiser module fitting onto one.. you will see that change being one of the most embraced as these pilots will have shorter overall time investments for trekking back and forth from empire into the deepest reaches of unsecured space.

That having the added (and may i mention LOVELY) side effect of letting more and more people have access to actual logistics in null sec without the ludicrous fees of jump freighters and carriers.

This thread, at least the last few pages is basically spam spam spam about one topic.. one which both parties have mentioned as completely useless.

my opinion? whatever.. from my experience carting countless expensive things to and fro. the only real use for the bonus is undocking. I do not have to take the boring five minutes it takes to make a station escape bookmark.
seriously, bookmarking anything just for mobility because of the occasional 2500m+ warpin or chance of being ganked (however low) on undocking is just tedious.

undocking jump-gate cloaked in these ships .. shooting out to a certain distance from the station.. is the invulnerability timer meant to have this effect already?

uhh thanks for the extra cap the reduced mass aaand the cargo on the viator, please fill the explosive hole.

Also, do please consider giving Blockade Runners a role bonus like 50% Micro Jump Drive spool time. :)

thanks again

Now: Most gankers don't bother with blockade runners, as the risk of finding an empty or low-value cargo BR that's autopiloting is fairly high and is compounded with the risk of a bad drop in the event that it's a high-value cargo BR that's autopiloting.

After removing scan immunity: Gankers will bother with blockade runners, but can only catch those that autopilot/fly improperly. Blockade runner pilots know that to avoid being ganked they can just cloak up. Only really stupid BR pilots autopilot with high-value cargos. Empty and low-value cargos on autopilot are ignored because they can be scanned and the ganker knows it's pointless to kill. High-value cargo autopiloted BRs still present the same risk of bad drops to would-be gankers.