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[Kronos] Blockade Runner Rebalance

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Kat Ayclism
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#61 - 2014-05-17 21:26:45 UTC
P good changes. Improves on what they actually do, gets rid of dumb and useless bonus and replaces with a useful one, and opens up further potential.

Kinda shocked.
Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
#62 - 2014-05-17 21:28:03 UTC
Gypsio III wrote:
Please remove the immunity to cargo scanning. This will make it much safer to autopilot around in highsec in an empty BR, while not affecting anyone who is flying manually with valuable cargo, because of the cloak.

Currently, the scan immunity bonus essentially means that you can't AP around in an empty BR, you have to fly it manually everywhere. This can be a real pain.


You can't cloak at the Jita undock, where cargo gets scanned the most.
Gypsio III
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Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#63 - 2014-05-17 21:58:17 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Utremi Fasolasi wrote:
Gypsio III wrote:
Please remove the immunity to cargo scanning. This will make it much safer to autopilot around in highsec in an empty BR, while not affecting anyone who is flying manually with valuable cargo, because of the cloak.

Currently, the scan immunity bonus essentially means that you can't AP around in an empty BR, you have to fly it manually everywhere. This can be a real pain.


You can't cloak at the Jita undock, where cargo gets scanned the most.


No, you just warp off immediately instead.

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Ransu Asanari
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#64 - 2014-05-17 22:01:22 UTC
I fly Blockade Runners regularly, and the changes look good to me. The extra utility high is a nice "quality of life" change.

The cargo scanning immunity - I think clarification between player and NPC (Customs/CONCORD) would be good, as it really isn't clear how this works with regards to booster transport. Otherwise I don't think it needs to change. The cargo scanning immunity means targeting Blockade Runners is a crapshoot without good intel. It also means a Blockade Runner pilot needs to be vigiliant, whether they are in Highsec or Nullsec.
Sheeana Harb
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
#65 - 2014-05-17 22:17:23 UTC
Ransu Asanari wrote:
The cargo scanning immunity - I think clarification between player and NPC (Customs/CONCORD) would be good, as it really isn't clear how this works with regards to booster transport. Otherwise I don't think it needs to change. The cargo scanning immunity means targeting Blockade Runners is a crapshoot without good intel. It also means a Blockade Runner pilot needs to be vigiliant, whether they are in Highsec or Nullsec.


I would prefer to be able to toggle the cargo scanning immunity, but I don't believe the game code is quite there yet. And yes, I share the opinion that the immunity has made flying Blockade Runners in High-sec more dangerous, since many gankers would now often flip the coin and fire, 'just in case'.
Scanning immunity fits the Blockade Runner theme, I understand why it's there, but it's hard to argue that they wouldn't be better without it.
Oxide Ammar
#66 - 2014-05-17 22:29:37 UTC
Who ever want to auto pilot hauling either use T1 haulers or DST, DST can reach 80k ehp or more.

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JAF Anders
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2014-05-17 22:43:22 UTC
How about giving them an immunity to MWD de-activation when scrambled?

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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#68 - 2014-05-17 22:54:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Altrue
This rebalance seems to fall a bit short, but the added warp speed and cargohold sounds like a nice thing.

In my opinion they could have gotten a much much bigger increase in cargohold to compensate for the whole nerf of freighters and JFs. People need ways to move stuff around.

Edit : And I second the suggestion to give them a rôle bonus that keeps their MWD running when warp scrambled.

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Galphii
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#69 - 2014-05-17 23:15:31 UTC
Nice improvements!

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ISD Ezwal
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#70 - 2014-05-17 23:16:34 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
On my player accounts I have lost a lot of ships over time. But never ever one of my trusty and frequently used blockade runners.
Be it in 1.0 HS, deep Null or W-space, they jump the blockades laid across their path through space and run.
Imho, these proposed changes will not hamper that ability.

That said, I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.
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Varesk
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2014-05-17 23:21:59 UTC
Will you be buffing the PG for these since the new Medium Micro Jump Drive takes up more PG that is supplied by these ships?
Raphael Celestine
Celestine Inc.
#72 - 2014-05-18 00:05:59 UTC
Varesk wrote:
Will you be buffing the PG for these since the new Medium Micro Jump Drive takes up more PG that is supplied by these ships?

MMJDs are DST/BC only. Blockade Runners can't fit them anyway...
Jax Acami
Whatever Brah
#73 - 2014-05-18 00:16:05 UTC
Gypsio III wrote:
Please remove the immunity to cargo scanning. This will make it much safer to autopilot around in highsec in an empty BR, while not affecting anyone who is flying manually with valuable cargo, because of the cloak.

Currently, the scan immunity bonus essentially means that you can't AP around in an empty BR, you have to fly it manually everywhere. This can be a real pain.


Bad troll is bad.
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
#74 - 2014-05-18 00:18:43 UTC
Utremi Fasolasi wrote:
Gypsio III wrote:
Please remove the immunity to cargo scanning. This will make it much safer to autopilot around in highsec in an empty BR, while not affecting anyone who is flying manually with valuable cargo, because of the cloak.

Currently, the scan immunity bonus essentially means that you can't AP around in an empty BR, you have to fly it manually everywhere. This can be a real pain.


You can't cloak at the Jita undock, where cargo gets scanned the most.


Yes please remove the cargo scan immunity. It is a total waste on a blockade runner

And seriously, does anyone not have an insta undock for Jita by now?
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
#75 - 2014-05-18 00:20:40 UTC
Jax Acami wrote:
Gypsio III wrote:
Please remove the immunity to cargo scanning. This will make it much safer to autopilot around in highsec in an empty BR, while not affecting anyone who is flying manually with valuable cargo, because of the cloak.

Currently, the scan immunity bonus essentially means that you can't AP around in an empty BR, you have to fly it manually everywhere. This can be a real pain.


Bad troll is bad.



Not even close to a troll. It is absolutely true. With an unscannable cargo you have to fly a BR as a potential gank target 100% of the time. And when flown like they should nobody was ever scanning your cargo anyhow.

Bottom line if my BR is empty I'd prefer someone can see that it is. If it's not empty i'll be cloaked and gone before they can.
Jax Acami
Whatever Brah
#76 - 2014-05-18 00:27:18 UTC
If you want to autopilot, there are much better ships to do it in.
Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication
TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
#77 - 2014-05-18 00:40:04 UTC
More things to like about these ships. Thanks!

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Irregessa
Obfuscation and Reflections
#78 - 2014-05-18 00:42:04 UTC
Can't see a reason to use the prowler now. It used to be the only BR that could fit a cloak and a probe launcher. That gave it a niche use that compensated for the lower cargo space. Now it is just a BR with the least cargo room.

Too bad. It was an interesting ship for its niche use.
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#79 - 2014-05-18 00:45:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Paikis
CynoNet Two wrote:
Harvey James wrote:

seems excessive .. inty speed almost on a cruiser hull?? .. i suggest a look at the angel ships for a more reasonable figure


How many people do you think will train Transport Ships 5 to get that? Most will only have it to 3 or 4.


If it's worth training, it's worth training to V.

Unless it's Tactical Shield Manipulation, or one of about a dozen other skills. This one's good though.

I already have 3 characters with Transport Ships V.
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#80 - 2014-05-18 00:57:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
JAF Anders wrote:
How about giving them an immunity to MWD de-activation when scrambled?


I actually quite like this idea though I'm not entirely sure how practical it is as mostly if you can't cloak your pretty much dead anyhow but making them bubble immune would be maybe a step too far whereas it might give them a chance at being actually able to run a proper blockade if they couldn't be (or couldn't be easily) prevented by MWDing when scrammed.