Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Do you think instead of allowing any size of ship to enter into any size of complex, we could restrict upper movement and rebalance the rewards to compensate for this? Battlecruisers and above for large, but a higher reward/risk because of what you're flying?

Why not just make it so that if you are cloaked or leave the plex then the plex you were running counts down at double or triple the speed? Why not just make it reset to 0 automatically? This would make it far from beneficial to cloaking up and avoiding fights.

can we pls have neutrals getting a suspect flag or limited engagment when they enter the plex?

they are there to shoot me. if i shoot first i take sec status hitz.

unfair ccp

Let them fire the 1st shot.. You don't lose sec status (just don't pod)

FW is far from perfect and is very much split between, those who want to be a part of faction warfare and those who want to hunt in FW. Right now the Pvp balance is tilted towards the latter.

Those who simply want to hunt in FW should face normal lowsec penalties for engaging in Pvp.
Those who are members of FW and in a system controlled by their faction should be able to protect that system from anyone who enters it with the intention of engaging in PVP, without loss of Security Status.

Give FW members who want to engage in Pvp a free pass for neutral ship kills. It may just see FW membership increase as it then becomes Lowsec Pvp without consequences.

Large plex change, is awesome.

NPC respawn I have mixed feelings on, especially if the respawns will interfere with PVP.

The cloak change solves no issue that we have, and actually kills one of the most reliable ways to hunt stabbed farmers, to say nothing for the baited ambush tactic using cov ops type ships to set traps. I think this change hurts more than it helps.

Cloaky farmers tend to be at their keyboards and checking d-scan so they can cloak before you are on grid or can get a target lock on them. Now all they need to do is sit 29,500 meters off the button and move for 2 seconds before they can cloak up. The only difference between a cloaking farmer and one that will otherwise run is that the cloaky farmer does not need to warp off/warp back.

I think many people in the FW community are more concerned with the AFK plexers running multi stabbed frigs that are able to plex with minimized clients, using an audio cue to let them know when to maximize and warp off. The respawn change may do something to cause them to come back to the keys every few minutes, but the jury is still out on whether the respawn will tip the balance in what would otherwise be an extremely close 1v1 PVP fight. I've personally been in many fights where even a couple hundred damage would tip the balance.

That's brilliant. Abandon a site you are trying to capture and your deployable gets shot out from under you. Adds a real cost to running away. Also gives more incentive to chase down farmers; at least you'd get a KM for the deployable even if you can't catch the little stabbed @$%&@ers.

Even better, different size deployables for the different size plexes.. make the deployable for the large sites take up 250m3 or so in cargo. Just one more roadblock for people trying to farm medium/larges in quiet systems with stabbed frigates. Sure, it's not that hard to circumvent, but still, pushes the balance towards people using larger ships for larger sites and then sticking around to defend it.

old saying, 2 parts to a fight, knowing when TO fight, and knowing when TO RUN. Stabs aren't an invalid option.

They're lowering the rat DPS and increasing active tank, so they should be a non-issue to PvP. In addition, PvP fits will be able to burst through their reps faster and melt them faster. I don't think we've got much to worry about here. Really really close fights are an edge case, and I don't think that building the mechanics around them is the best design decision. Besides, this kind of change means you can't simply clear a system with your main and leisurely roll through in your multistabbed gunless frigate with your alt to cap the plexes.


From what I've heard, a good portion are bots. Namely, they cloak when you get on d-scan, but if you enter the plex and cloak up, they immediately decloak to run the timer. No player at the keyboard would do that, since they'd have seen that Astero enter the plex and know not to decloak. Having a change like this will hose those kinds of bots while not penalizing actual players who are actually at the keyboard.

Too specific to a single application, FW farming. Granted it's one of the few places where they're so prevalent, but I'd rather see a more general penalty (DPS or tank, preferably DPS if we're targeting FW farming) or a change to plexing mechanics. I feel the current proposal to change the DPS hurdle for the NPCs and cause them to respawn is the first step in changing the plexing mechanics to deal with farmers.

I'd rather see how that plays out rather than try to implement something like the above.

It's possible to warp into a plex without decloaking at the warp in beacon. It's random chance of course, but happens about half the time.

I also wonder how many of these bots are out there, and are not just dumb players.