Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Thanks for taking the time, very informative.
One thing though, your answers to Q6 sort of contradict each other. You remove Stabs, you also remove farmers, which leads to plexing becoming less important for those trying to flip systems.
If plexing becomes less important, there are less system changes, FW again becomes static like it was a few years ago and people leave because "it got boring".
Eve more than any other population group are easily bored (aside from miners, I would go mad) and seek constant action. Without the hordes of farmers there is no need for your group to go "pick a system to capture" and enter the plex race to outdo the farmers, so you would only plex enough to make isk to cover your costs.
With hundreds of alt farmers gone from FW, the few dedicated solo farmers will soon leave as they are now the primary target for all those who used to, plex to flip systems and pvp for FW, dedicated pvp'rs who are only n FW for the Pvp, and anyone else who cares to come into system.

In the end you end up with, a few large well organised groups dominating systems and a few smaller groups just scraping by because they are smart enough to stay under the radar of the bigger entities . Pretty much the current situation with Sov Nul.


I can see why chasing Stabbed farmers is annoying and the need for their removal would (short term) be good. Long term, those stabbed farmers add content to FW that would otherwise not be there.

FW isn't and never can be, just about PVP. FW needs many different (some not desirable) aspects to make it work. Remove farming altogether you remove a valid and needed aspect of FW. Which leads to people leaving FW .

I still believe having some Novice and Small complexes being locked to 1 v 1 encounters is a valid addition to FW. It would not have to mean "all" Novice and Small complexes being locked, it could be a random thing or even the addition of a few extra complexes. It could also be extended to small gang engagements, where rather than beating a timer you need to fight an opposing fleet for LP and points toward system control.
From having been involved in Intra Alliance Tournaments, there is nothing like being on grid, 6 vs 6 pilots, with the same class of ships as yours and fighting it out. Pilot skill has far more to do with it than anything else and it is a real rush.
It could also lead to more people joining FW to engage in a type of PVP available nowhere else in TQ

has this thread been fully abandoned? are timers not going to get fixed?

Trying to call the meta game is usually a losing proposition. All we can do is hope. If CCP could indicate what a proper period is for feedback on the changes that would be nice.

I think you grossly underestimate the nature and impact of these changes.

First, the intent is not and has never been to eliminate farming. So using that as a yardstick just isn't realistic.

Second, the DPS hurdles essentially eliminate stabbed farming as a viable tactic in anything but small and novice plexes.

Third, the respawning rats and increased tank means that plexes will take longer to run on average, further decreasing LP income from low skill fits.

Fourth, the respawning rats and their relatively short respawn timer makes multiboxing and AFK farming FAR more difficult and annoying than it is currently. This, combined with being relegated to lower LP/time plexes and the increased time to complete, should have significant impacts on plex farming by AFK / multiboxing alts or bots.

Fifth, the implementation of the no-cloak radius around the button significantly impacts bots and forces farmers to actually either a) move, or b) leave the plex entirely to avoid combat. This change is needed in part because of the ease of avoiding combat and in part because using a cloak to avoid combat leaves plenty of low slots for damage mods. Thus, the increased tank of the rats would be easier to break with cloaky fits instead of stabbed fits - this change disincentivizes both.

Nothing will stop a player who's actually at the keyboard from making LP in plexes, and that's not the intent. But if you don't think this will have a significant impact on multiboxed / botted / AFK farming you're flat wrong.

Oh, and with regards to multiple timers / timer resets / timer rollbacks: implementing timer changes will have a significant impact on the difficulty of taking defended systems or defending your own systems from coordinated assault. I know that's not a big deal in the Min/Amarr zone, but over here in Cal/Gal land it's a huge deal.

We are not against farming we are against clock stab farming.

In high sec when you farm lvl4 you put your ship at risk and you fight for your isks why should it be different in Fw? And Fw is about war so how tier and occupancy mostly rely on farming plex? And wcs

I think Ill actually be happy when stabs are made an unusable mod inside plexes, the amount of times I try to go out solo and only run into blobs or stabbed farmers is frustrating.

Not letting stabs in to fw plexes won't change much either. Its not that hard to warp off before you get pointed. Lots of stabbed farmers now allow themselves to be pointed by a long point because they are stabbed but they won't if no stabs are allowed.

The main effect would be that more farmers would get caught in gate camps but 1) increasing the importance of gate camps isn't something I personally support and 2) they could evade even this now that we have mobile depots.

Is this a nerf to pilgrim?

fozzie is awful :(

If you'd read through this thread, you'd see that the implementation precludes that kind of differentiation. In Kronos, the Outpost widget is colocated with the capture button, and is a object with a 30km radius. That means that if you're within capture range of the button, you're at 0km from the Outpost widget.

The Beacon is still a Large Collideable Object at the warp in point.