Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Clueless? I'll take it.

Yes, I'm aware sites can be despawned by the residents who live there or others simply by initiating warp and will despawn 3 days later. No amount of educated judgement which I am referencing is going to be 100% accurate, however the arguements here are that there will be no possible way to tell if people are doing PvE in their hole. The particular number of sites that I referenced seems to be a "magical" number to most C5/C6 groups at which their sites re-spawn at a higher interval and seeing as from my experience I have often found WHs exactly as I have described here (5 combats with online tower and no mods or arrays inside). Seeing a WH with this same setup and 0 sites would be just as likely to be used for escalations than the other. By using the information available the hunter will need to make the decision if it is worth his time to keep scouting that one hole to verify his intuition or keep scouting his chain.

I thought something was amiss. I'm detecting a bit of ESL too, maybe it's that.

So back to the topic, devs wanna see wspace more dangerous and scary, therefore they want remove some data and by that make it more safe and calm. Seems...I don't know how to call it, CCPlogical may be.

wormhole stabilizers will solve this problem

So after the "think of the children" we are down to Risk:Reward balance. If the API perfect intel doesn't exist what would you like to see as far as ingame mechanics to duplicate this?

People who argue that this change "lowers" their pvp capability should simply get the F out of Wspace. NOTHING changes for the groups that are only in Wspace to run sites. The risk is still the same, the threat for them is still the same. The absolute only thing that changes is the inkompetent PVP group that cant functin without some out of game tool that tells what system they can hunt in, are gonna fade away and will be quickly forgotten. You are basicly confirming the need for this change by whining through 13 pages.

Any mechanic that in some way rewards logging out of the game is bad game play. Get off your F'in lazy useless and actively hunt for these siterunners. How the hell do you think people did it before the tools were in everyone hand. Defending the need for the API to stay is pathetic to say the least.

Remember, without siterunning group, Wspace would be dead.

As mentioned earlier, any noteworthy pvp corp in wspace, already has a database of who lives where.

Honestly, I don't understand what all the fuss is about. I find people carebearing with an open static surprisingly often. The only reason I don't get to kill them most of the time is that I don't have a myriad of other pilots backing me up.

The people complaining about this change happen to be those that farm their home sites in (relative) safety ~because numbers~ Funnily enough, at the same time they would complain about CCP turning wh-space into Nullsec where blobs make you king, intel is for free and the individual effort is mostly irrelevant in the larger picture. Still following me? There is clearly some weird sense of entitlement going on here.

To put things in perspective: it's really no one's fault that wh-space has succumbed to a place where the number of ganks is the one true metric for "content" and the ease of gankage the only issue that will get its inhabitants really agitated. Sadly, this is what mechanics promote. At the core of the problem lies the difficulty that said people have a hard time finding each other for real fights, not that farmers are to hard to find and gank.

Seriously. You afraid of RMT? How many people are going to risk multiple high-sp-chars to get banned while there is other ridiculously easy and risk-free money-making opportunities like fw/botting.

You don't want Nullsec-people farming capital escalations? Put a prober in their systems. Whenever they collapse holes and start farming launch some probes and scan the static. They will either notice them probes and stop (mission accomplished) or they will continue and give you the opportunity to bring in a sufficiently large gang to gank them. Alternatively, go and evict them. You do that often enough, I doubt that they'll come back.

And if you really think you should be able to detect activity down your chain without actually having some scout there (I think someone fittingly called it "spider-in-the-web-principle"), well wth is wrong with you^^

As long as signatures are actually delayed, killing the api will be perfectly fine and balance things out.

Given the content of these threads can you imagine a better place for it?

Well, when the smell fits...

lol. I just didn't see it coming, I guess.