Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Any answers to this yet.

I can not grasp how the array that builds the largest items (other than ships) gets the smallest boost...

I'm all for CEIL() for positive ME, however for negative ME this leads to strange results, where something that cost 1 unit of something for ME-1% costs two units of something. This puts T2 BPO owners once again at big advantage.

Using either Round() or Floor() to counter this will also cause problems as shown below:

Floor()
2 jobs, each 1 run of BPC ME-4%, basic cost 15 units of something gives us 2*Floor(15*1*1,04)=30
1 jobs, for 2 run of BPC ME-4%, basic cost 15 units of something gives us 1*Floor(15*2*1,04)=31

This shows that in some edge cases its better to run two 1 run jobs than 1 job for two runs

Round()
2 jobs, each 1 run of BPC ME-4%, basic cost 10 units of something gives us 2*Floor(10*1*1,04)=20
1 jobs, for 2 run of BPC ME-4%, basic cost 10 units of something gives us 1*Floor(10*2*1,04)=21

Same as above but shows up for different parameters

Requested since 2007

With the pushing back of Indy changes to Crius, will the POS changes also be pushed back? Yes/no/partly?

Re: Corporate Hangar Arrays: from 1,400,000 m3 to 3,000,000 m3.

Nice but the idea is about 3 years too late.

When you changed corp hangers to be inaccessible during reinforcement timers and afterwards while shields are below 50% you made using corporate hangers one of the most dangerous ways to store stuff in towers. Smart people have found other safer ways.

As has been said already, this is FAR insufficient for even moderate industry, much less major industry.



I've been thinking about this and the devastating effect it will have on research POSes once slots go away, and have some ideas for your consideration. As several of us have said, the above numbers alone are insufficient to make using labs at a POS fiscally viable except perhaps at extreme volume. The time savings does not offset even the worst case (14% added cost) using an NPC station as compared to between 300M-500M per month in fuel costs if running a large station. My proposal is to use the above as base numbers, but to also add role bonuses to the labs appropriate to their specialty and tie them to an existing skill such as "Research." Alternatively, you could add a few skills such as "Research ME," Research TE," and "Research Copying." For example:

Research Labs role bonus: 5% bonus per level Research ME, 5% bonus per level Research TE

Design Labs role bonus: 5% bonus per level Research Copying, 5% bonus per level Research, 20% bonus to BPC runs per level Research Copying.

Hyasoda Labs role bonus: 10% bonus per level Research ME, 10% bonus per level Research TE

In this way each lab remains distinctive while offering meaningful incentive to utilize a POS as opposed to an NPC station. It also partially addresses the issue of low BPC run caps while allowing inventors to partially close the competitive gap with T2 BPO holders while taking nothing away from T2 BPO holders. Ideally, inventors should have a chance through skill and equipment to research a "perfect" BPC just as a T2 BPO holder may research the BPO to "perfect." Also, by adding further bonuses to research times, it addresses some of the ridiculously long research cycles which can be expected under the new system as unveiled. This benefits smaller and/or newer researchers and industrialists by allowing for less time needed before having a chance to become competitive. The main issue I see is in determining how to reconcile these ideas with player outposts.

The third is Metallurgy

Also, Temenus Alexander has clearly never done invention. As I explained here time is everything in invention, and a 40% bonus to copy time and a 50% bonus to invention time makes you WAY more isk

Metallurgy

And yes, having those skills merged into the effective outcome of lab boni would indeed be a nice move (given it is at all possible with the current state of the POS code).

I wasn't as clear as I might have been with the examples, but those are precisely what I'm referring to (plus and additional boost to runs) on the Design Lab. To be nore clear:

Research labs:
Base time multiplier for Research ME: 0.7 (was 0.75). + a role bonus of 5% per level of appropriate skill (whether new or existing)
Base time multiplier for Research TE: 0.7 (was 0.75). + a role bonus of 5% per level of appropriate skill (whether new or existing)

Design labs:
Base time multiplier for copying: 0.6 (was 0.65). + a role bonus of 5% per level of appropriate skill (whether new or existing)
[b]Base[/b] time multiplier for invention: 0.5 (was 0.5). + a role bonus of 5% per level of appropriate skill (whether new or existing)
+ 20% to BPC copy run cap per level of appropriate skill (whether new or existing)


Hyasyoda labs:
Base time multiplier for Research ME: 0.65 (was 0.75). + a role bonus of 5% per level of appropriate skill (whether new or existing)
Base time multiplier for Research TE: 0.65 (was 0.75). + a role bonus of 5% per level of appropriate skill (whether new or existing)

So, yes, what I posted has everything to do with time, and my example for the Design Labs specifically (since that is the lab designated at present by the devs to handle your specific areas of concern) with the appropriate max skills would net a total bonus to Copy Speed of 65% (as opposed to your threshold of 40%) and a total bonus to Invention speed of 150% (as opposed to your threshold of 50%). And give a slight boost to copy run caps at the same time. So, yes, I think I addressed precisely the areas of concern which you share.

OK, i'm gonna go a bit crazy here, but with the splitting of invention and research into 2 labs we get yet one more stack of corporate hangars to move stuff between.

And since you managed to adjust so many thing related to POSes, i'm assuming you managed to break the code that was stopping you from improving them for so long.

So, how about we get all the hangars of the individual arrays merged (as we have only one corporate hangar in stations), witch each additional array contributing its hangar volume to the total?

That would reduce A TON of unneeded dragging of materials and checking where you left those the last time.

Please!

P.S.: Now that i think of it, splitting the one lab into 2 requires some reevaluation of its fitting requirements. It would be nice if we could still do our research AND invention without overloading the POS's fitting (unless that is part of the design).