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Some EVE players can not separate themselves from the game.

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#441 - 2014-05-06 01:25:51 UTC
Nyphur wrote:
How hard is it to scratch anodized aluminium?


What you did there, Doc sees it.




There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Xenuria
#442 - 2014-05-06 01:25:59 UTC
Nyphur wrote:
Visited the monument at about 6PM on the 5th to find my name and there's a bunch of scratches around it ( http://media.fyre.co/fTAYkHPlTqk6TfYP2bjL_nyphur.jpg ). It looks accidental though and it'll probably buff out, I'm just annoyed at myself for not getting a photo earlier before it was scratched up. How hard is it to scratch anodized aluminium?



Why are people so careless?

If I had attended I would have made it a point to bring a towel with me if I planned on sitting on the base. This way nothing on my person would damage said base. This is common sense to me but I guess I could see how it might not be to others. There needs to be something to better protect the monument from these kinds of abrasions. I am not wise when it comes to metals, except that I am pretty good at Eco-locating them in the dark.
Octoven
Stellar Production
#443 - 2014-05-06 01:42:07 UTC
Astenion wrote:
Ha! I love The Mittani's voiced disgust on that Twitter post, because we all know he's a man of such high moral fiber.

Yes, it's vandalism. No, it shouldn't have happened. Yes, it's a **** move.

Any word on how much that real life e-peen monument cost to build? Like someone said before, it's a monument to a bank account dressed up as an homage to players. Personally, I'd rather have WiS and new shiny ships than a monument. I'm sure some people let go after that 20 million euro loss would rather have jobs, too.

The point is that the focus here should be the fact that an Eve player committed an act of vandalism at Fanfest, not that an Eve player committed an act of vandalism on a phallic e-peen video game monument. All these comments like, "Oh, you're such a horrible person" and "You should be beaten severely" are just as ridiculous. Get over yourselves and your bleeding hearts. Someone scratched someone's name out on a chunk of metal, and while it's rude, classless, and petty, people are rude, classless, and petty every single day. Go to any major city and see graffiti ruining facades of historic, MEANINGFUL landmarks and cultural treasures. It's a travesty.

This is not. This is a crime, and should be dealt with as such. People have made other people literally cry in Eve, yet we all love "the tears". Scratch someone's name on a monument, post it on Twitter, and people will actually call you the famous German dictator. Go ahead...check it out...it's in the comment section of the Twitter post.

Let's get this straight: it's fine to torment people in-game to the point of tears or extreme bouts of rage, yet scratch someone's name out on a monument (again, it's a crime...but you're treating it as a crime against humanity) and all of a sudden you're outraged and all take the moral high ground.

Got it.

Let CCP clean it up and charge the guy who did it. Everyone else should save their ever-present outrage and go blow up more spaceships. "It's just the internet" doesn't apply anymore. Being a **** is being a ****, wherever you are.


What defines a MEANINGFUL landmark is relative to how the person feels about it. For example, I may not give two ***** about the Statue of Liberty, but some one else may see it in a more personally meaningful way. It isn't my place or anyone else to say otherwise. We all take different landmarks and monuments differently than others.

Yes it is a crime, but to the people who this monument commemorates its is indeed an insult to their accomplishments. As said, it isn't for you to define if this is indeed meaningful or not, and if it really bothers you that much that others do, then the solution seems quite simple...ignore it.
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#444 - 2014-05-06 01:59:49 UTC
Octoven wrote:


What defines a MEANINGFUL landmark is relative to how the person feels about it. For example, I may not give two ***** about the Statue of Liberty, but some one else may see it in a more personally meaningful way. It isn't my place or anyone else to say otherwise. We all take different landmarks and monuments differently than others.

Yes it is a crime, but to the people who this monument commemorates its is indeed an insult to their accomplishments. As said, it isn't for you to define if this is indeed meaningful or not, and if it really bothers you that much that others do, then the solution seems quite simple...ignore it.



Can you imagine if someone really did serious damage to it? Not just scratched it, blew it sky high. I can see the headlines:

'Eve Monument Ganked, Greifer tells CCP/Judge 'HTFU'.'
Sushi Nardieu
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#445 - 2014-05-06 02:06:36 UTC
I am disgusted by this behavior from this vandal.

Wish CCP a swift resolution to this case.

The Guns of Knowledge 

Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#446 - 2014-05-06 02:08:23 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:

Can you imagine if someone really did serious damage to it? Not just scratched it, blew it sky high. I can see the headlines:

'Eve Monument Ganked, Greifer tells CCP/Judge 'HTFU'.'

Scratching a monument is *just like* a terrorist attack.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise

LiKuei
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#447 - 2014-05-06 02:28:30 UTC  |  Edited by: LiKuei
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Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#448 - 2014-05-06 03:07:54 UTC
Rhes wrote:

Scratching a monument is *just like* a terrorist attack.


I wrote a lengthy thing about how you were wrong, but realized ISD would freak with that much explosives information on the forums.

In an nutshell, the sort of thing a terrorist would use wouldn't have much effect on it, it would take specialized equipment. Iceland being what it is, there's not a whole lot of explosives and their precursors floating around.
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#449 - 2014-05-06 03:09:26 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Rhes wrote:

Scratching a monument is *just like* a terrorist attack.


I wrote a lengthy thing about how you were wrong, but realized ISD would freak with that much explosives information on the forums.

In an nutshell, the sort of thing a terrorist would use wouldn't have much effect on it, it would take specialized equipment. Iceland being what it is, there's not a whole lot of explosives and their precursors floating around.

I saw a tacobell, thats enough
Also arent there plenty of fermenting foods?
What if the monument is over a forgotten shark?
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#450 - 2014-05-06 03:14:46 UTC
Nyphur wrote:
How hard is it to scratch anodized aluminium?



Not hard at all. Aluminium is a very soft material - it's about a 3 on the Mohs scale - you can cut it with kitchen scissors. Aluminium oxide is much harder at about 8.5-9 Mohs, but it's a thin layer anchored in unoxidized aluminium, which will give way more easily. Meanwhile, The stainless steel keys pretty much everybody carries in their pocket on the other hand are more like a 5 or 6. the same goes for the rivets in your jeans, your nickel-steel belt buckle, or heck a common piece of grit or gravel stuck in your shoe.

So, anodized Aluminium wasn't chosen for its hardness: it was chosen for its corrosion-resistance. Iceland is a wet country and freezing cold a lot of the time. Also, the monument is parked right next to the ocean and there is NOTHING quite like salt water for reliably corroding things. Rust is a landscape feature where the sea is involved.

A few scuffs and abrasions won't badly reduce the legibility of the names, but corroding away into a mess of mineral salts and oxides would ruin all the plates, and surprisingly fast.

While there probably IS something out there that could resist both the salt-water splashing of a high tide in bad weather AND the clothing of people closely inspecting the monument (or of idiots who think their internet spaceships vendetta is worth vandalising a public monument for), I doubt that substance is inexpensive.

Although it would be kind of fitting to have made the plates out of Titanium Diboride just like a Caldari ship, I guess.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

LiKuei
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#451 - 2014-05-06 03:21:56 UTC  |  Edited by: LiKuei
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Carribean Queen
Vadimus Quarrier Works
#452 - 2014-05-06 03:22:22 UTC
Here's another idea as well.

CCP, would it be possible to have a Digital version of the Monument INSIDE OF EVE? One that can't be locked or shot at for people in game to come visit since we can't come to Iceland?
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#453 - 2014-05-06 03:47:09 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:

I saw a tacobell, thats enough
Also arent there plenty of fermenting foods?
What if the monument is over a forgotten shark?


That would be terrorism. That'd definitely be classed as a biological attack.


In all seriousness, not really. It'd take something with some penetrating power.
Shurgin Ambraelle
Vagrants Against Gankers In Null Alliances
#454 - 2014-05-06 03:51:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Shurgin Ambraelle
Carribean Queen wrote:
Here's another idea as well.

CCP, would it be possible to have a Digital version of the Monument INSIDE OF EVE? One that can't be locked or shot at for people in game to come visit since we can't come to Iceland?



You know CCP a digital memorial, now that would be a crazy idea. I mean you did a great monumnet for the first titan pop and an even better one for B-5R what about something like this. A 1.0 system that allows no combat just for a tribute to the players and of EVE. Something different and very large where you could type in your name and warp to it. I maybe asking too much but this is a great idea.

The Biggest FUCer of them all!! RL COMES 1ST!!

-The Gene Pool Could Use a Little Chlorine!! Proud Member of InPanic!!

Shurgin Ambraelle
Vagrants Against Gankers In Null Alliances
#455 - 2014-05-06 03:54:53 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
Nyphur wrote:
How hard is it to scratch anodized aluminium?



Not hard at all. Aluminium is a very soft material - it's about a 3 on the Mohs scale - you can cut it with kitchen scissors. Aluminium oxide is much harder at about 8.5-9 Mohs, but it's a thin layer anchored in unoxidized aluminium, which will give way more easily. Meanwhile, The stainless steel keys pretty much everybody carries in their pocket on the other hand are more like a 5 or 6. the same goes for the rivets in your jeans, your nickel-steel belt buckle, or heck a common piece of grit or gravel stuck in your shoe.

So, anodized Aluminium wasn't chosen for its hardness: it was chosen for its corrosion-resistance. Iceland is a wet country and freezing cold a lot of the time. Also, the monument is parked right next to the ocean and there is NOTHING quite like salt water for reliably corroding things. Rust is a landscape feature where the sea is involved.

A few scuffs and abrasions won't badly reduce the legibility of the names, but corroding away into a mess of mineral salts and oxides would ruin all the plates, and surprisingly fast.

While there probably IS something out there that could resist both the salt-water splashing of a high tide in bad weather AND the clothing of people closely inspecting the monument (or of idiots who think their internet spaceships vendetta is worth vandalising a public monument for), I doubt that substance is inexpensive.

Although it would be kind of fitting to have made the plates out of Titanium Diboride just like a Caldari ship, I guess.



Also not extremely expensive compared to other anti-corrosion metals right?

The Biggest FUCer of them all!! RL COMES 1ST!!

-The Gene Pool Could Use a Little Chlorine!! Proud Member of InPanic!!

Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#456 - 2014-05-06 03:55:34 UTC
Shurgin Ambraelle wrote:
Carribean Queen wrote:
Here's another idea as well.

CCP, would it be possible to have a Digital version of the Monument INSIDE OF EVE? One that can't be locked or shot at for people in game to come visit since we can't come to Iceland?



You knoq CCP a digital that would be a crazy idea. I mean you did a great monumnet for the first titan pop and an even better one for B-5R what about something like this. A 1.0 system that allows no combat just for a tribute to the players and of EVE. Something different and very large where you could type in your name and warp to it. I maybe asking too much but this is a great idea.



Put it outside the ten year station.
Shurgin Ambraelle
Vagrants Against Gankers In Null Alliances
#457 - 2014-05-06 04:18:36 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Shurgin Ambraelle wrote:
Carribean Queen wrote:
Here's another idea as well.

CCP, would it be possible to have a Digital version of the Monument INSIDE OF EVE? One that can't be locked or shot at for people in game to come visit since we can't come to Iceland?



You knoq CCP a digital that would be a crazy idea. I mean you did a great monumnet for the first titan pop and an even better one for B-5R what about something like this. A 1.0 system that allows no combat just for a tribute to the players and of EVE. Something different and very large where you could type in your name and warp to it. I maybe asking too much but this is a great idea.



Put it outside the ten year station.


I like your thinking. Or in a system all by itself. Accessable by 4 jump gates. 1 in each races space.

The Biggest FUCer of them all!! RL COMES 1ST!!

-The Gene Pool Could Use a Little Chlorine!! Proud Member of InPanic!!

Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#458 - 2014-05-06 04:23:32 UTC
Shurgin Ambraelle wrote:


I like your thinking. Or in a system all by itself. Accessable by 4 jump gates. 1 in each races space.


You just described Yulai before the gate changes.
Shurgin Ambraelle
Vagrants Against Gankers In Null Alliances
#459 - 2014-05-06 04:27:30 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Shurgin Ambraelle wrote:


I like your thinking. Or in a system all by itself. Accessable by 4 jump gates. 1 in each races space.


You just described Yulai before the gate changes.



I call that a Fail and a Win.. Maybe even by Wormwholes that are beaconed.

The Biggest FUCer of them all!! RL COMES 1ST!!

-The Gene Pool Could Use a Little Chlorine!! Proud Member of InPanic!!

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#460 - 2014-05-06 05:03:42 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Octoven wrote:


What defines a MEANINGFUL landmark is relative to how the person feels about it. For example, I may not give two ***** about the Statue of Liberty, but some one else may see it in a more personally meaningful way. It isn't my place or anyone else to say otherwise. We all take different landmarks and monuments differently than others.

Yes it is a crime, but to the people who this monument commemorates its is indeed an insult to their accomplishments. As said, it isn't for you to define if this is indeed meaningful or not, and if it really bothers you that much that others do, then the solution seems quite simple...ignore it.



Can you imagine if someone really did serious damage to it? Not just scratched it, blew it sky high. I can see the headlines:

'Eve Monument Ganked, Greifer tells CCP/Judge 'HTFU'.'


It's the monument's own fault for not flying aligned, or did not fit a tank.