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You are making assumptions I would like clarified from the Devs as to their logic. We can rationalize it this way and that, but in the end the current facts are:
- When a BPO/BPC needs materials, it is listed as part of the cost of research and industry.
- I've spent a decent amount of time training research skills... why would I hire researchers who are not present on the predominately auto-mated POS?

It would make better sense for CCP to add a consumable "widget" necessary to aid the research with your reason. No, I would like CCPs actual take on the why.

The professor at my old Uni spent a long time becoming such, why then would he need a good chunk of the material science faculty to help research and develop graphene? Your character is effectively the lead researcher but there is no way you would have the time to run all the experiments, gather all results, run all analysis, re-reun everything again , refine processes and reactions, rerun yet again...

I'm fine with the idea of needing research assistance since it makes absolute sense that you would.

Actually rather than endless lines i would have preferred just the opening up of more moons for pos. I would also prefer that regions of null that have been under one sov control for a length of time gained npc stations to reflect the stabilty provided by the sov. This would have given more research etc lines in sov and made s&i viable. Null absolutely does not need more buffs. Of all things s&i should be a level playing field to my mind. Null already has better resources available to exploit the increased resources they have.

Industry is finally getting some attention. Excellent changes so far.

Actually there has been lots of commentary on this and usually in the negative.



Well, it depends on the costs doesn't it. Sure, when you put your BPOs in the labs in a POS the POS could be attacked and destroyed...if you are completely foolish. You get a notification that you have been war decced. You have 24 hours to remove said BPOs before your POS can be shot. And depending on who decs you and your POS set up even that might not be a huge issue (remember in HS the POS can only be shot by sub-caps, and lots of war dec corps have a handful of people).

At the same time, if the cost of doing things in station is high enough, then the POS may start to look attractive even with the increased risks. Just remember...put some strontium in your freaking tower for the love of God.



You appear to be contradicting yourself. First you tell us there will be far fewer research POS in HS...now you are saying there will be lots more POS...why? Why have a POS in HS if not for research? Moon mining? Nope, doesn't work. A safe tower for moving caps...nope, can't bring caps into HS (well okay the JF, but still you can't cyno in to HS) again, nope. Staging POS? What for?

If people start tearing down their research POS en masse as you note above then this paragraph of yours makes no sense. People might, as you say set up POS for compressing ore, but now we have two countervailing effects. Removing research POS reduces the number of POS, whereas ore compression POS increase the number of POS. Net effect? I don't know. You don't know. Nobody knows.

My guess is some research POS will come down, some will remain up. Some new POS will go up for ore compression and the overall result will be there will still be lots of moons that are free.

Yeah, competition is so awful isn't it.

Oh wait, it usually increases output, lowers prices (and in RL often increases employment).



Obviously you are all about what is good for the EVE economy and not our own personal wallet.

It is right there in the quote you pulled.



Let me translate this for you:

Competition with nullsec, specifically in high marging markets, will take place because of null sec.

Then you wrote:



Of course, you went on to say that the "cartels"--i.e. null sec alliances and coalitions--will "control" these markets. Which of course is stupid. It has already been pointed out that the slot tax will impact both NS and HS. You have asserted it wont impact null as much, but you provide nothing to support this claim.

Further, NS has a transportation/logistics issue. It is not as easy to source low ends in NS. If they are sourced in HS they still cost isk in terms of ice products (i.e. jump fuel). Also, you often have only 1 station/outpost in sov NS vs. multiple stations in HS systems.

Also, there IS increased risk in NS despite what blithering boobs like Mord Fiddle and Ripard Teg claim. If Goons or anyone else sets up a highly lucrative JF business (and are relying on POSes) then hostiles can drop dreads and supers on those POSes. That is an impossible outcome in HS. Granted it could be done in outposts, but then go back to the 1 outpost/system constraint....HS does not always have that issue.

Finally, even if NS was able to take all of a given market they cannot charge whatever price they want. They are limited by the potential competition of HS. That is, suppose Goons, in their evil and nefarious ways, manage to take the entire JF market. They cannot double or triple prices because at such a profit margin even if I have to pay a 14% cost increase to make JFs in HS I absolutely will and undercut the goon suppliers. And I'll do it on anonymous alts that they will never trace back to me....if they even care (which they probably wont).

You have had years of protected industry...now you are losing it and complaining bitterly. We get it already. You can stop.

What concerns me is that null is increasingly boosted and given the best of everything. Eve drew me in because of the varied choices, the chance to form industry in hisec, the risk of losec, the lure of nullsec. Pushing the best of everything to null simply leaves older players no choice but to go there or be left out in the cold and in my view that simply destroys the variety that set Eve apart. If you tell those who can't invest the time needed to live in nullsec that they are second class and somehow less important than those who PvP more predominantly then the game will lose nmany players eventually.

Balance needs to be across areas and careers available as well as by risk/reward. Null has a logistics problem for S&I and low end minerals? Good, that means effort is required to build stuff there just as it is in hisec to gather up and use moon goo etc for T2 production. Points have been made about the difficulties because of low number of slots on outposts and I'll take those at face value as I cannot comment on them and am glad of the extra information. I would rather the stable regions have gained NPC stations though, and then had them mothball over periods of instability. This would have benefited those who controlled a region for longer and allowed for more expanded S&I without giving extra benefits to the most resource rich regions.

Keep marginalizing hisec and pushing out casual players and Eve will suffer. Each area should have something it can be best at to give each playstyle something to aspire to and aim for. Those groups that organize across and utilize all areas would then benefit more even than one group controlling any one area.

Could someone correct me if I'm wrong, but aside from the mining frigate all ORE ship BPO's originate at ORE stations out in low/null and only available in the high-sec market if someone brings them there.

Also the biggest ship that can be built in High-sec POS I know for sure is the Orca, I suspect you can build Freighters either Jump or standard at the very least in a station. (I'll admit building Freighters is outside my interest so haven't vest much time on possibility of high-sec fabrication) Even if the anchoring restrictions are lifted there won't be any notable increase in there production or research. Especially if the BP has to be at the POS, it takes around 2 months to increase 1 ME or Copy a 1 run BPC, and roughly 7days to build (of course with better skills it would be less... but not much). The cost to do it at a station would be astronomical.

Currently a BPC set for an Orca can run as low as 100mil many smaller indy corps take that route when first starting to scale up or team building project. Or 900mil to 1.7bil isk just for the Orca BPO itself plus about 500mil to 1 bill per subcomponet BPO. I've used the Orca as an example because of interconnection of null to high in its acquisition and production cycle.

Granted I don't see every small or medium size corp even wanting to build Orcas regularly or even at all especially with BPO's it would be too much isk to tie up in a specific single (or grouped) asset. This is one of the common big cases where risk assessment would limit it to significantly large corporations to have a standing defense to provide the BPC market which smaller corps usually are the main consumers before some venture into the investment to produce their own BPC's for sale fueling competition.

I say no to POS taxing/charges, I say no to decentralizing and removal to BP remote from station work, I say no to forcing player station/outposts to behave like NPC equivalents and into thin air isk charges associated.

That last bit sounded like I was running for office

Oh where has he stated that?

And just because he says it does not make it true. I could say you are a turnip...are you really a turnip?



The cost is non-trivial (= 0). That is what trivial means.

You keep making bald faced statements without any support. How huge is the cost advantage for null? What about this change will make it huge?

Frankly, I think you are being completely dishonest here. You have yet to back up any statement I have seen by you with even the barest facts. Instead you rely on assumptions, speculation and out right nonsense.



So you really do think these changes will result in a death spiral for the EVE economy?

Histrionics much?