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I am not so sure.

Let's say that CCP proposed a change to get rid if ship mining, and make mineral and ice collection like moon mining. Plant a POS and a harvester, wait a week, empty the silos.

Well, then I'd have to inform CCP that there would be no reason for me to have 4 accounts that I use for asteroid and ice mining.

If it is used as a threat, that is one thing.

It you can explain why the changing game mechanic will remove the need for multiple accounts, that is another thing.

And the very best part of these nerfs, the ever so sweet part of these nerfs, is this:

One of the largest demographics hurt by this, the casual high sec player, they don't even know this assault on their playstyle is coming, because they don't even follow the forums and dev blogs.

The only way they will know is when they suddenly don't get perfect refine, and they lose half their mission loot, and they find out that building a Nestor from a BPC they ground LP for just shot up 200 M in cost, and that the cost of their T1 Raven Navy Issue just shot up 10 or 14% in price to buy, plus using an NPC station to build their ammo just went up a 1000 fold in cost, and they have to buy from the market instead.

And a few months after that, when the the people that got shell-shocked in June, when their subs start running out, then we shall witness the true brilliance and beauty of this war on high sec, in its full glory.

Bravo null sec cartels, bravo. A true coup.

1. Why can null not have high isk payouts on high risk items for industry, than cannot be made in high sec ?
2. Why can low sec not have pretty good isk payout on items for industry that can not be done in high sec and perhaps not done in null sec ?
3. Why can high sec not have a profitable payout on some items for industry ?

Any item could be made in null sec, perhaps just not much profit or worth the effort. The null sec high profit / high risk items should not be just capital items or items that only old players with high skill points can make or acquire.

What is the deal on leveling the playing field or tilting it to Null? It just makes sense that high sec areas, with police protection and no worries on sov loss would be the place to produce items in mass with some profit. It also makes sense that there be resources that are not in high sec, and cannot be allowed in high sec that are made into hi profit items that are allowed and needed in high sec. You run a risk getting the items, making the items and moving them to high sec.

High Risk and High Profit its such a simple deal and has game content.

This industry balance deal is such a mess when all we need is some new content and game play.

Bzzt, wrong. Sellers always try to pass along the entire cost increases but the downward slopping nature of the demand curve with respect to price prevents this.

The effect of the increase in costs is thus a burden on both the buyer and the seller.

And that is only if people insist on using the most jammed up building slots. The 0-14% is a sliding scale and is dependent on how intensively the slots are used.

But no, lets simply assume the worst outcome is going to apply everywhere...well except NS where they wont face these kinds of added costs via some sort of elite PVP magic or some such.

You are describing a situation in which everyone in highsec is highly vertically integrated. While I'd like to believe that this is just your experience coloring your view on the rest of the game, well, frankly, it's probably the norm, at least if all the varied, sundry anecdotes I've read are true. It's sad, really -- vertical integration is extremely inefficient in this game. We in the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal avoid it whenever possible.

If these changes encourage people to stop needlessly vertically integrating and focus on their niches, the economy will improve considerably, and everyone so inclined will realize a significant increase in wealth.

Another aspect keep in mind is that currently slots have a hard limit once they are full they are full you have to wait. This limits the amount of production at any given time. Now by removing that hard limit and essentially giving stations and infinite number of slots but with a sliding cost scale that is It removes a hard constraint on production. Given that supply currently can be severely limited due to the limitations on slots it stands to reason that prices currently may be higher than they would be with an infinite slot model using a sliding scale cost adder.

To see the effect I am talking about draw a downward sloping demand curve then draw an upward sloping supply curve that at a certain point goes vertical. Now move the demand curve so that is intersecting on the vertical part of the supply curve any further increases in supply will result simply an higher prices no additional production. In this case adding infinite slots even with an increasing cost factor could very well result in lower prices than the current situation.

Of course this assumes that the number of slots are all being fully and totally utilized everywhere and also to the extent that this is not true then this scenario is not a factor. However, in that case it also means that having a sliding cost scale to an infinite slot model will have little impact on final prices.

The more I hear of this discussion the more I'm convinced that everyone is getting screwed with expected change.


Infinite slots at stations with sliding cost scale, ok... Only long term shortage of slots I've ever seen is for ME & Coping. Rarely have I seen the actual manufacturing lines completely full for anything longer than a week. With PE and Invention I have NEVER seen all lines at a high-sec station in any system I frequented full, granted I don't set up shop adjacent to major hubs.

WTH should there be taxes levied against operations conducted at a POS anywhere? Ok, my corp (an alt btw) grinds out faction (ie suck up to an empire) set the structures, pay legit dues to anchor in high (charters). Now, if I choose I can have labs, certain manufacturing arrays, maybe the Eve equivalent to a Meth Lab (Drug Lab for boosters, no sure on that one but figure I'd lighten the tone a little).

Here comes summer expansion... Empires suddenly don't mind any ol' Tom, Richard and Scary to plop a POS at a moon it is ok, because we are gonna tax them for whatever they do... Oh pay no mind to it breaking any semblance to rational visage of political paradymns or lore.

Oh, you're in low? Don't worry we got a rusty axle shaft for you too! Concord/Empire doesn't care as much who you are to begin with or generally what you do. Fear not friend or fiend for you shall get taxed too.

(I really wished I had something witty to say about null to follow in the theme but lack experience in that arena, however I don't assume they would get much true benefit realistically)

Let us not belittle the lube for the S&I complex a new interface, mind not the abrasive in said lube in the way of adding more complexity to tracking print real locations or the joy of risking that several billion isk bpo to get it copied to 'safely' produce it *snort...

After 80+ pages I thought a some what satyrical albeit possibly biased (or may not biased) summary was in order. I had a few witty analogies but none where fit for public discourse.

post note: You got to love auto-censor poor Richard

It removes a lot of player achievement mechanics, which motivate a lot of players ..... wouldn't we want more achievements rather than less?

Seems to be making the game a lot more shallow rather than deeper and richer .... people who don't like these mechanics really wouldn't seem to be affected much anyway .... why change it?

Those POS's will no longer contain ANY high value BPO's unfortunately .... and it will be trivial to re-anchor one ... so go ahead, have at'em.

And the new name of the EVE Online Summer 2014 Expansion is:


EVE: Contraction