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[Kronos] Pirate Faction Cruisers

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Sheimi Madaveda
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1201 - 2014-05-27 02:54:20 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
So, Guristas line is now unusable? Glad I sold mine.

I mean, seriously, this is like giving a battleship a strip miner bonus.


...what?

Gila is strong, and so is the Worm. Rattlesnake is becoming better at PvE due to extra damage, and is able to hit frigates with Gecko drones in PvP so you really should think things over again.

First, Guristas are getting DPS around as high as Serpentis line on every ship.
Second, they are getting improved fitting and more effective flights than a lot of other drone boats.
Third, speed is going up for their ships as well as medium+heavy drone velocity and drone AI is being buffed so that they do not stop after firing a volley.
Fourth, the missile bonus synergizes with every missile system in the game, and is viable for Rapid Missile Launchers.

I wish I had bought yours cheap instead of being a money hog.

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Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1202 - 2014-05-27 06:40:35 UTC
Gila with the -105 drone bandwidth makes me wonder if this will be even worth buying over a sentry Ishtar.

Quick, someone do the maths~

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Flyinghotpocket
Small Focused Memes
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#1203 - 2014-05-27 06:41:01 UTC
all these cynabears crying cuz they cant fit all t2 largest tank and guns anymore without grid rigs or co-pro's

LOL

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Zamyslinski
Beach Boys
The Minions.
#1204 - 2014-05-27 06:59:49 UTC
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
all these cynabears crying cuz they cant fit all t2 largest tank and guns anymore without grid rigs or co-pro's

LOL



you do reaise you can fit all other criusers without any compromise?
Sheimi Madaveda
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1205 - 2014-05-27 07:22:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Sheimi Madaveda
Zamyslinski wrote:
Flyinghotpocket wrote:
all these cynabears crying cuz they cant fit all t2 largest tank and guns anymore without grid rigs or co-pro's

LOL



you do reaise you can fit all other criusers without any compromise?


I would imagine that module tiercide might introduce more options for fitting choices on, say, the Ashimmu or a Curse. Right now, there's almost literally no variation in the effectiveness of the E-war modules themselves, so your statement should not be for the Cynabal getting the fitting space back, but about this sort of change affecting every ship in EVE Online.

For instance, if there were many different flavors of energy neutralizers inbetween or built around the small/med/heavy categories, so you could choose to fit either (for the Pilgrim) a 1600mm plate, OR a really awesome rack of medium neuts that hit out to 17.5km, as a random example.

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Zamyslinski
Beach Boys
The Minions.
#1206 - 2014-05-27 10:02:22 UTC
Doesnt change the fakt taht wit the gimp of cyna fittings the ship got totally underpowered and wont be worth flying it after patch.

Will be a bit faster stabber, hell i can push 500 dps on a stabber witch is slightly slower so why would i want to pay 150 mil more to get 200m/s and little bit more resists?
Sicha Starlight
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1207 - 2014-05-27 10:26:08 UTC
Gila was awesome versatile ship, primarily because it could hold a lot of drones (which a drone boat is) now after nerf of it it has become practically unusable I sometimes wonder at the decisions you made it's like you get drunk and even without thinking or any logic you just came with some idea that "sounds" cool at that particular time.

Not to sound like someone who likes a certain ship and now just mad because of nerf here are my arguments:

- Drone boat uses primarily drones so it needs ... well drones Roll
- There is NO other drone/shield cruiser
- 500% drone dmg/hit point is just poor man's excuse for taking the primary role of the ship
- 1 launcher is not compensation for loosing drones - not all drones are used for dmg o.O

Conclusion either you wanted to "push" people into flying Astero/Stratios which is rude and so not cool. Or like I sad you thought you had a cool idea.

Very, very disappointed Cry

Anyways I guess wormhole exploration with Gila is a NoGo, and using Gila at all! Cry
Brib Vogt
Doomheim
#1208 - 2014-05-27 10:54:26 UTC
Sicha Starlight wrote:
...SNIP...

Anyways I guess wormhole exploration with Gila is a NoGo, and using Gila at all! Cry


Gila is reduced to a PVP-brawler, which makes gila, at least in my eyes, a dead ship! I sold mine some time ago.
Sicha Starlight
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1209 - 2014-05-27 11:10:34 UTC
Brib Vogt wrote:


Gila is reduced to a PVP-brawler, which makes gila, at least in my eyes, a dead ship! I sold mine some time ago.


There are plenty of PVP Cruiser ships, especially for the fleet, Sacrilege, Ishtar, Guardian type fleet. Gila as such stands no chance at all "Fleet pvp or Solo pvp", I don't think that we can say it's reduced to "PVP-brawler" since that means it can be used for that. They reduced Gila to useless pirate cruiser.

I put my on sale this morning.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#1210 - 2014-05-27 11:36:44 UTC
Sicha Starlight wrote:
Gila was awesome versatile ship, primarily because it could hold a lot of drones (which a drone boat is) now after nerf of it it has become practically unusable I sometimes wonder at the decisions you made it's like you get drunk and even without thinking or any logic you just came with some idea that "sounds" cool at that particular time.

Not to sound like someone who likes a certain ship and now just mad because of nerf here are my arguments:

- Drone boat uses primarily drones so it needs ... well drones Roll
- There is NO other drone/shield cruiser
- 500% drone dmg/hit point is just poor man's excuse for taking the primary role of the ship
- 1 launcher is not compensation for loosing drones - not all drones are used for dmg o.O

Conclusion either you wanted to "push" people into flying Astero/Stratios which is rude and so not cool. Or like I sad you thought you had a cool idea.

Very, very disappointed Cry

Anyways I guess wormhole exploration with Gila is a NoGo, and using Gila at all! Cry


How is the Gila nerfed?

it easily pushes 850 dps with an average resist profile well over 70 and 50k ehp

That is really ******* good for a cruiser...

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Aiyshimin
Shiva Furnace
#1211 - 2014-05-27 12:02:41 UTC
Sicha Starlight wrote:


- Drone boat uses primarily drones so it needs ... well drones Roll
- There is NO other drone/shield cruiser
- 500% drone dmg/hit point is just poor man's excuse for taking the primary role of the ship
- 1 launcher is not compensation for loosing drones - not all drones are used for dmg o.O


- Gila still uses drones for damage (635 dps with Hammers w/ 3xDDAII), making it definitely a drone boat
- yes there surely is, shield Ishtar is a very common ship
- medium drones with twice as much EHP and damage application than Ogres on Ishtar surely doesn't remove it's primary role
- on a drone ship yes, you should be using your drones for damage

It looks like a really nasty ship imo.

Sicha Starlight
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1212 - 2014-05-27 12:03:10 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:

How is the Gila nerfed?

it easily pushes 850 dps with an average resist profile well over 70 and 50k ehp

That is really ******* good for a cruiser...


Ok let me put this simply

Gila was pirate faction "passive drone boat" useful for lots of things from solo PvE, Exploration, Wormhole ratting, etc. Now why is it "passive" well becuase in moste wormholes you got your cap drained and really fast it was pretty useful since it was "shield tanked" (as you know shields regenerate on their own), and you didn't need cap for combat, or doing dps, since your drones where there for you. You could repair yourself (with drones), you could webiffy (with drones), you could do multiple types of dmg (with drones) ... you see where is this going, right!

Now how is it nerf-ed. Well you tell me what use is a drone boat that can not use drones!??? o.O (blink, blink) NOTHING!!! It's useless! It's junk, It's garbage!

Second question what use there is for pirate ship (which means similar to or better to T2 ship of the same class) against lets say Ishtar? Who easily does more dmg, is cheaper is much easily combined with other ships to form a fleet, and there is like 3 cruiser in every race for pvp!?

Again it's useless, it's redundant and honestly it's just plain stupid!

Since it was pretty nice and fun to fly ship, there really was no need to nerf it!

Now I know, that CCP actually kind of "jumped" before thinking. Because they introduced "Geckos" and when they realised what they have done "sh1t had hit the fan" (this is just my assumption), and it was too late, and they had to "fix" that. But like I sad there is here much more damage to players than actually reward, which is why I ask the question for dev's! What the hell are you doing?

But to answer your question when they reduce drone capacity/bandwidth they basically rendered that ship useless. Sure you can now put some missile launchers but then it's not a drone cruiser it's just mediocre pirate cruiser, aaaand you can't play it anymore as passive ship! Which again is loosing it's original versatility.

That is how they nerf-ed it.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#1213 - 2014-05-27 12:12:48 UTC
Sicha Starlight wrote:
Garviel Tarrant wrote:

How is the Gila nerfed?

it easily pushes 850 dps with an average resist profile well over 70 and 50k ehp

That is really ******* good for a cruiser...


Ok let me put this simply

Gila was pirate faction "passive drone boat" useful for lots of things from solo PvE, Exploration, Wormhole ratting, etc. Now why is it "passive" well becuase in moste wormholes you got your cap drained and really fast it was pretty useful since it was "shield tanked" (as you know shields regenerate on their own), and you didn't need cap for combat, or doing dps, since your drones where there for you. You could repair yourself (with drones), you could webiffy (with drones), you could do multiple types of dmg (with drones) ... you see where is this going, right!

Now how is it nerf-ed. Well you tell me what use is a drone boat that can not use drones!??? o.O (blink, blink) NOTHING!!! It's useless! It's junk, It's garbage!

Second question what use there is for pirate ship (which means similar to or better to T2 ship of the same class) against lets say Ishtar? Who easily does more dmg, is cheaper is much easily combined with other ships to form a fleet, and there is like 3 cruiser in every race for pvp!?

Again it's useless, it's redundant and honestly it's just plain stupid!

Since it was pretty nice and fun to fly ship, there really was no need to nerf it!

Now I know, that CCP actually kind of "jumped" before thinking. Because they introduced "Geckos" and when they realised what they have done "**** had hit the fan" (this is just my assumption), and it was too late, and they had to "fix" that. But like I sad there is here much more damage to players than actually reward, which is why I ask the question for dev's! What the hell are you doing?

But to answer your question when they reduce drone capacity/bandwidth they basically rendered that ship useless. Sure you can now put some missile launchers but then it's not a drone cruiser it's just mediocre pirate cruiser, aaaand you can't play it anymore as passive ship! Which again is loosing it's original versatility.

That is how they nerf-ed it.


So its trash because it can't be used for the tiny niche that wants to use rep drones? The ship itself is a bit of a beast even though it no longer fits your playstyle well =/

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Sicha Starlight
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1214 - 2014-05-27 12:28:37 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:


So its trash because it can't be used for the tiny niche that wants to use rep drones? The ship itself is a bit of a beast even though it no longer fits your playstyle well =/


Nope ship is trash because it is turned into yet another copy of the ship, just with different paint job.
Like I said it was versatile and now is not. You could play it with different play styles not just the way I did it, but you could do a lot with it. There is a reason why drone boats, are drone boats, when you take that away it's no longer what it is now it's a "Worm" - Gurista frigate and even that ship has more drone bandwidth LOL .. well actualy that what it is now a "LOL".
Aiyshimin
Shiva Furnace
#1215 - 2014-05-27 12:29:52 UTC
Sicha Starlight wrote:

Ok let me put this simply

Gila was pirate faction "passive drone boat" useful for lots of things from solo PvE, Exploration, Wormhole ratting, etc. Now why is it "passive" well becuase in moste wormholes you got your cap drained and really fast it was pretty useful since it was "shield tanked" (as you know shields regenerate on their own), and you didn't need cap for combat, or doing dps, since your drones where there for you. You could repair yourself (with drones), you could webiffy (with drones), you could do multiple types of dmg (with drones) ... you see where is this going, right!


Erm, none of that has changed in any way. Have you read the OP? Well, except that you still can't repair yourself with drones, that is.

Quote:
Now how is it nerf-ed. Well you tell me what use is a drone boat that can not use drones!??? o.O (blink, blink) NOTHING!!! It's useless! It's junk, It's garbage!


It can still use drones, what are you on about? Calm down and think.
Sicha Starlight
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1216 - 2014-05-27 12:37:02 UTC
Aiyshimin wrote:


It can still use drones, what are you on about? Calm down and think.



Ok, ok, ok. You are right. I do need to calm down. I liked this ship, that is true. It's not the end of the world if they changed it, It's not like the Greek tragedy. Aaaannnd even if I hate to admit you are right (on both cases) I need to calm, and that it can still use drones.

Maybe I'm a bit "bias" here and look thing from a narrow perspective. But I really think that what I'm saying is not wrong. Gila is a pretty "nasty ship" (if I may use your expression ;) ). And I'm all up for balancing things. When it comes to PvP or any other aspect of gameplay. But was Gila "that" OP? No I think not! I think they where to harsh. I'm fine with reducing a bandwith, but to a "normal" lvl. Five "medium" are not too much to ask for. OK we couldn't use Heavy's or Sentries, but we could use "full" force of mediums!

About reducing drone capacity now that is just wrong. It's a drone boat for crying out loud :D a "drone" - "boat" :D let us load up on them drones :D :D :D
Aiyshimin
Shiva Furnace
#1217 - 2014-05-27 13:01:00 UTC
I can sort of understand your point of view, and of those who don't like it losing sentries, but the fact still remains that it does 635dps with it's two of Hammers, while a "full force" of mediums on other drone boats only does 397dps, 3xDDA II in both cases. Gila mediums have about 4x the tank of normally bonused drones, which I find quite remarkable and opting for destroying them will be a futile attempt. This makes drone kiting more viable. Even when forced to recall one drone, it still pumps +500 dps on a HAM fit.

While the drone bay is reduced, the volume of it's full flight is also reduced, making it possible to have 3 types of mediums, 4xdishonour drones and still room for 4x lights.



Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#1218 - 2014-05-27 13:55:50 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Sicha Starlight wrote:
Gila was awesome versatile ship, primarily because it could hold a lot of drones (which a drone boat is) now after nerf of it it has become practically unusable I sometimes wonder at the decisions you made it's like you get drunk and even without thinking or any logic you just came with some idea that "sounds" cool at that particular time.

Not to sound like someone who likes a certain ship and now just mad because of nerf here are my arguments:

- Drone boat uses primarily drones so it needs ... well drones Roll
- There is NO other drone/shield cruiser
- 500% drone dmg/hit point is just poor man's excuse for taking the primary role of the ship
- 1 launcher is not compensation for loosing drones - not all drones are used for dmg o.O

Conclusion either you wanted to "push" people into flying Astero/Stratios which is rude and so not cool. Or like I sad you thought you had a cool idea.

Very, very disappointed Cry

Anyways I guess wormhole exploration with Gila is a NoGo, and using Gila at all! Cry


How is the Gila nerfed?

it easily pushes 850 dps with an average resist profile well over 70 and 50k ehp

That is really ******* good for a cruiser...

And of course EVERYONE who flies a Gila has perfect skills an wants to use it as a close range brawler.

Just for interests sake - A reasonably skilled RLML Caracal will kill a Super Hammerhead in just over 8 seconds.
RLML might just have a role after all, somewhat limited but still, it is something they are good at.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
Sicha Starlight
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1219 - 2014-05-27 14:12:19 UTC
Sgt Ocker wrote:

And of course EVERYONE who flies a Gila has perfect skills an wants to use it as a close range brawler.

Just for interests sake - A reasonably skilled RLML Caracal will kill a Super Hammerhead in just over 8 seconds.
RLML might just have a role after all, somewhat limited but still, it is something they are good at.


Well I do appreciate your opinion as anybody's else, however I do feel urged to correct you, I don't want to use Gila for brawling, that is exactly the opposite. I want ... well I would like if CCP would left room to play Eve in "non conventional" way, and what I mean by that is use ships in multiple and fun way, maybe sometimes it will be silly and stupid. But for me in Eve it does not come down just up to raw dps, but actually having fun, while playing. To better explain my point I used Rokh as LASER boat, It's not design for that, nor is the best way to play it, but hell I was having fun! And for me that what game should be all about.

CCP, however "likes" that player destroy ships, as faster as possible, which means increased need for more ships, which increases needs for more ISK, and in the end it comes on $$$, for them, more needs for ISK is more $$$. That is actually why I'm disappointed.
Elusive Panda
Public Enemies CO
The Initiative.
#1220 - 2014-05-27 17:11:19 UTC
Sgt Ocker wrote:

And of course EVERYONE who flies a Gila has perfect skills an wants to use it as a close range brawler.

Just for interests sake - A reasonably skilled RLML Caracal will kill a Super Hammerhead in just over 8 seconds.
RLML might just have a role after all, somewhat limited but still, it is something they are good at.


Yes, please waste your entire RLML clip on killing 2 Hammers while there's 8 more waiting in the bay, then you can enjoy 35sec of reload time while the Gila pounds on your Caracal with 650 DPS worth of drone dps + very real missile damage. (With the + 1 launcher and 50% bonus to dmg).

--

The Gila was already the superior brawler compared to the Ishtar, Ishtar was the superior sentry boat.
Now it's even better at what it does best.

If you want to use sentries, why not just fly an Ishtar then? If you're flying a Gila, you have the skills to fly an Ishtar. (Or you really shoudn't be flying a Gila).