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LtauSTinpoWErs
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1181 - 2014-05-20 16:36:38 UTC  |  Edited by: LtauSTinpoWErs
Will the Gila's role bonus effect ewar drones? It won't be able to field a full flight of light drones such as warrior iis or ec-300s so I think it would be interesting if all of the medium sized ewar drones benefited from the gila's "damage" bonus as well.

Edit, based on recent eft files, it doesn't look like the hitpoint bonus effects medium sized ewar drones either. CCP can you confirm if the gila bonuses will effect the hitpoints/offensive power of medium sized ewar drones?
Sheimi Madaveda
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1182 - 2014-05-21 05:27:20 UTC
I wonder if the Ashimmu will play out as a strong kiter... I mean, it has dual 20km webs, and with a major speed boost coming as well as an extra low slot, it seems plausible. Also, it is possible to keep the capacitor up with Nosferatu as a-types have 19.5km range.

I wouldn't expect to see it as a full blown kiter -mostly because it will still lack speed and agility, and not using a cap booster means your cap is very weak and therefore not really able to use an active tank- but the possibility is definitely there.

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Flyinghotpocket
Small Focused Memes
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#1183 - 2014-05-21 05:29:28 UTC
Sheimi Madaveda wrote:
I wonder if the Ashimmu will play out as a strong kiter... I mean, it has dual 20km webs, and with a major speed boost coming as well as an extra low slot, it seems plausible. Also, it is possible to keep the capacitor up with Nosferatu as a-types have 19.5km range.

I wouldn't expect to see it as a full blown kiter -mostly because it will still lack speed and agility, and not using a cap booster means your cap is very weak and therefore not really able to use an active tank- but the possibility is definitely there.

it would need 5 mids to do long point kiting. it cant

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LtauSTinpoWErs
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1184 - 2014-05-22 16:14:39 UTC
CCP, any word on whether the Gurista line of ships bonuses will effect ewar drones?
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#1185 - 2014-05-22 16:55:36 UTC
the sansha line still need some improved agility for sure...

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
KaDa en Bauldry
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1186 - 2014-05-22 18:24:31 UTC
LtauSTinpoWErs wrote:
CCP, any word on whether the Gurista line of ships bonuses will effect ewar drones?

No effect, and as such they are quite bad on them compared to before.

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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1187 - 2014-05-22 18:35:29 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Launching a Gecko from a Gila would've been cool. Just sayin'.

You can do that today :p
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#1188 - 2014-05-23 12:01:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Lloyd Roses
Some feedback from the test server though:

Phantasm is pretty wonky. 6 mids allow for various things, but even with 3 heat sinks it struggles to break 450dps (It goes up to some 550 with IN Multi/Conflag - but then you're running into med neut range). It is a defensive dream, but the total lack of adequate offenses do hinder it a lot. AB-speeds were mostly about 1.5km/s to 1.9km/s depending on nanos - linked. While this is quite useful to keep range, you're running belo your own tracking in a tight orbit :S

Cynabal is lackluster. It's obviously the worst by far of those new pirate ships, being stuck with projectile weapons. High warpspeed is nice and allows for some nice drive-bys, but in comparison it is very underperforming on grid. I dare to say their TQ prices dropped through the floor for a reason. It would surely be a great ship with different weaponry, but with projectiles, this is actually trash. Thankfully, Mordus will fill that void perfectly, doing the exact things the cyna did till now - but better.

Vigilant got buffed. Goes faster. Else quite the same, less buffer avaiable though since you now need to plug your rigslots with ACRs.

Gila is wonderful. It's like the return of the Podladrake, just better. Dualweb/longpoint, double nano and either heavy assaults or rapid lights and an mwd will have you running at 2.2km/s with acceptable agility without links and 2.8km/s with links, cold. To that, 750dps of which a bit is therm/kin bound and most is freely selectable. It's awesome and in my opinion a winner among those pirate ships.
There are other things it can do aswell, they just blow in comparison to dualweb.

Ashimmu is different now. Unless you're flying a boat with autocannons/blasters, don't panic as it's not a real threat on its own,. It should have the chance to become a wonderful fleet support ship - especially with thse 6 lows now. A cheap webbing loki alternative with not that much less buffer and just drastically worse resistances.

So imo:
Winner: Gila, Vigilant
Wonky, but got their niche: Ashimmu, Phantasm
Loser: Cynabal (But it's job will be taken over by mordu's ships)
Zamyslinski
Beach Boys
The Minions.
#1189 - 2014-05-23 19:12:24 UTC
Tried to fit the cynabal,

the ship is not fittable you cant even fit a 425ac fit as earlier wtf? not even because the pg nerf its lacking those 15 CPU

arty fit is totally unfittable even with faction power diagnostic system

Fozzie can you explain the reasoning behind this? Like 4 real ******* explain the reasoning im customer im paying i want to know why my hamburger tastes like ****!
Zamyslinski
Beach Boys
The Minions.
#1190 - 2014-05-23 19:14:46 UTC
Lloyd Roses wrote:
Some feedback from the test server though:

Phantasm is pretty wonky. 6 mids allow for various things, but even with 3 heat sinks it struggles to break 450dps (It goes up to some 550 with IN Multi/Conflag - but then you're running into med neut range). It is a defensive dream, but the total lack of adequate offenses do hinder it a lot. AB-speeds were mostly about 1.5km/s to 1.9km/s depending on nanos - linked. While this is quite useful to keep range, you're running belo your own tracking in a tight orbit :S

Cynabal is lackluster. It's obviously the worst by far of those new pirate ships, being stuck with projectile weapons. High warpspeed is nice and allows for some nice drive-bys, but in comparison it is very underperforming on grid. I dare to say their TQ prices dropped through the floor for a reason. It would surely be a great ship with different weaponry, but with projectiles, this is actually trash. Thankfully, Mordus will fill that void perfectly, doing the exact things the cyna did till now - but better.

Vigilant got buffed. Goes faster. Else quite the same, less buffer avaiable though since you now need to plug your rigslots with ACRs.

Gila is wonderful. It's like the return of the Podladrake, just better. Dualweb/longpoint, double nano and either heavy assaults or rapid lights and an mwd will have you running at 2.2km/s with acceptable agility without links and 2.8km/s with links, cold. To that, 750dps of which a bit is therm/kin bound and most is freely selectable. It's awesome and in my opinion a winner among those pirate ships.
There are other things it can do aswell, they just blow in comparison to dualweb.

Ashimmu is different now. Unless you're flying a boat with autocannons/blasters, don't panic as it's not a real threat on its own,. It should have the chance to become a wonderful fleet support ship - especially with thse 6 lows now. A cheap webbing loki alternative with not that much less buffer and just drastically worse resistances.

So imo:
Winner: Gila, Vigilant
Wonky, but got their niche: Ashimmu, Phantasm
Loser: Cynabal (But it's job will be taken over by mordu's ships)




except mordus ships will be **** when it comes to aplying dmg so 3 assault frigs will **** you up unless you use rapids (and still get dunked due to reload time)
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#1191 - 2014-05-23 20:11:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Lloyd Roses
Zamyslinski wrote:
Lloyd Roses wrote:
Some feedback from the test server though:

Phantasm is pretty wonky. 6 mids allow for various things, but even with 3 heat sinks it struggles to break 450dps (It goes up to some 550 with IN Multi/Conflag - but then you're running into med neut range). It is a defensive dream, but the total lack of adequate offenses do hinder it a lot. AB-speeds were mostly about 1.5km/s to 1.9km/s depending on nanos - linked. While this is quite useful to keep range, you're running belo your own tracking in a tight orbit :S

Cynabal is lackluster. It's obviously the worst by far of those new pirate ships, being stuck with projectile weapons. High warpspeed is nice and allows for some nice drive-bys, but in comparison it is very underperforming on grid. I dare to say their TQ prices dropped through the floor for a reason. It would surely be a great ship with different weaponry, but with projectiles, this is actually trash. Thankfully, Mordus will fill that void perfectly, doing the exact things the cyna did till now - but better.

Vigilant got buffed. Goes faster. Else quite the same, less buffer avaiable though since you now need to plug your rigslots with ACRs.

Gila is wonderful. It's like the return of the Podladrake, just better. Dualweb/longpoint, double nano and either heavy assaults or rapid lights and an mwd will have you running at 2.2km/s with acceptable agility without links and 2.8km/s with links, cold. To that, 750dps of which a bit is therm/kin bound and most is freely selectable. It's awesome and in my opinion a winner among those pirate ships.
There are other things it can do aswell, they just blow in comparison to dualweb.

Ashimmu is different now. Unless you're flying a boat with autocannons/blasters, don't panic as it's not a real threat on its own,. It should have the chance to become a wonderful fleet support ship - especially with thse 6 lows now. A cheap webbing loki alternative with not that much less buffer and just drastically worse resistances.

So imo:
Winner: Gila, Vigilant
Wonky, but got their niche: Ashimmu, Phantasm
Loser: Cynabal (But it's job will be taken over by mordu's ships)




except mordus ships will be **** when it comes to aplying dmg so 3 assault frigs will **** you up unless you use rapids (and still get dunked due to reload time)


Tried 100mn orthrus. Didn't care for frigs, dictors, recons. Got stuck getting podla'd by two mwd RLM-Orthrus. Died when I ran out of cap boosters.

100mn RLM orthus is amazing. Scram, web or point, med CB, med neut. RLMs.

Edit: EFT says, the TQ version will run 2.6km/s at 85m sig, I tried 2.2km/s at 85m.
Ellendras Silver
CrashCat Corporation
#1192 - 2014-05-23 23:03:34 UTC
Zamyslinski wrote:
Tried to fit the cynabal,

the ship is not fittable you cant even fit a 425ac fit as earlier wtf? not even because the pg nerf its lacking those 15 CPU

arty fit is totally unfittable even with faction power diagnostic system

Fozzie can you explain the reasoning behind this? Like 4 real ******* explain the reasoning im customer im paying i want to know why my hamburger tastes like ****!


QFT

[u]Carpe noctem[/u]
Xhiucoatl Montezuma
Devils Diciples
#1193 - 2014-05-24 08:01:53 UTC
Marc Callan wrote:
I'm going to miss my sentry Gila setup, but if that five-hundred-percent boost to medium drones isn't a typo, that could be a very interesting bonus setup ... especially with the added CPU, which the Gila needed rather desperately...


I hated the Gila until I fit it with Sentries then I loved its flexibility! fitted it like a mini marauder, or as an exploration ship with some serious dps! ... and tbh I dont think I need a cruiser sized Worm, Ill just fly a worm.

Guess I'm switching to Ishtar and we will see how the new gila pans out., but two drones seems like an achilles heel for pvp.
Viribus
Wilderness
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
#1194 - 2014-05-25 00:56:36 UTC
Vylan Fenrir
Free Range Eggs
#1195 - 2014-05-25 15:12:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Vylan Fenrir
*inexplicable rage about cynabal pg nerf*
Capqu
Half Empty
xqtywiznalamywmodxfhhopawzpqyjdwrpeptuaenabjawdzku
#1196 - 2014-05-25 21:02:44 UTC
Viribus wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejmzGelUWpY

gr7 vid m9

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5tVbVu9Mkg
Sheimi Madaveda
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1197 - 2014-05-25 21:19:29 UTC
Poor Cynabal :(
It had pretty limited CPU compared to the Vagabond and the only real thing it had was PG to play around with and the EPIC scan resolution. I mean, it also has great agility over the Vagabond which it is keeping, but that seems kinda "meh" compared to what it is losing.

Zamyslinski wrote:

except mordus ships will be **** when it comes to aplying dmg so 3 assault frigs will **** you up unless you use rapids (and still get dunked due to reload time)


Let's just forget that the Orthrus is faster than every AF in game save for Minmatar ones, and that those AFs have to burn a large distance to come close at which point one of them will be dead and the one that gets tackle will be neuted while the other one will be scrammed before it can close in. Also, each of them would need 13k EHP while being that fast for ONE of them to barely survive the first clip of RLML ammo, and then there's whatever drone DPS is being applied.

So yes, if you have 3 nano Jaguars with a nice shield tank, you can watch all of them die as they burn 100km from your gang. Wonderful.

Anyways, Scram/Web/Ham is pretty legit if you don't care for the RLML kite, and this isn't the Mordu thread.

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TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#1198 - 2014-05-25 21:54:13 UTC  |  Edited by: TrouserDeagle
Sheimi Madaveda wrote:
Poor Cynabal :(
It had pretty limited CPU compared to the Vagabond and the only real thing it had was PG to play around with and the EPIC scan resolution. I mean, it also has great agility over the Vagabond which it is keeping, but that seems kinda "meh" compared to what it is losing.

Zamyslinski wrote:

except mordus ships will be **** when it comes to aplying dmg so 3 assault frigs will **** you up unless you use rapids (and still get dunked due to reload time)


Let's just forget that the Orthrus is faster than every AF in game save for Minmatar ones, and that those AFs have to burn a large distance to come close at which point one of them will be dead and the one that gets tackle will be neuted while the other one will be scrammed before it can close in. Also, each of them would need 13k EHP while being that fast for ONE of them to barely survive the first clip of RLML ammo, and then there's whatever drone DPS is being applied.

So yes, if you have 3 nano Jaguars with a nice shield tank, you can watch all of them die as they burn 100km from your gang. Wonderful.

Anyways, Scram/Web/Ham is pretty legit if you don't care for the RLML kite, and this isn't the Mordu thread.


it's faster than a wolf, it's only slower than a jag (probably). jags have less dps than most t1 frigates though. just when you thought AFs couldn't get any worse.

edit: it's actually the same speed as AFs
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#1199 - 2014-05-27 00:50:39 UTC
If you got mjolnir navy loaded and no crash/rigors/flares, you need 3 volleys to kill a roaming Enyo and ~5 for an MSE Ares. Wouldn't say it's particularly vulnerable to frigates, especially as it has the grid to fit oversized prop.
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#1200 - 2014-05-27 01:30:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Cygnet Lythanea
So, Guristas line is now unusable? Glad I sold mine.

I mean, seriously, this is like giving a battleship a strip miner bonus.