Player Features and Ideas Discussion

did u ever use ashimmu for gate camp? Considering your answer, i doubt it.

I have no idea where the ishtar overlap comes from ?? Gila can be passive shield tanked for wh use with sentry drones. This is where I was going as i am a newsih player and this would have been a stepping stone while I skill up for wh use.
I think its a bad idea to drop the use of 5 sentries in a gila.

Ishtar also could be shield tanked with sentry drones.

So you have two cruiser sized hulls, both have high slot weapons that do little damage (used primarily for aggro), both have 5 sentry drones, both can have similar sized shield tanks....yeah, no overlap at all there.

As I've been told by many people who are switching away from Gila, Ishtar is the new Gila. It's pretty much a drop in replacement if you wanted it to be (swapping missiles for rails, but many people don't train either for DPS anyway.)

In many ways Ishtar is better than Gila at what Gila was trying to do, sentry drone tank. With the built in DLA, it doesn't need the extra utility high. With HAC bonus it has a built in Omni, so doesn't need the extra mid slot. One less rig slot does hurt your tank a little, but the MWD bonus and extra low slot offsets that by quite a bit.

I was playing around with some silly fits in Pyfa, seeing how far I could push the "superdrone" concept.

Managed to setup a Gila with a paper thin tank (frigate sized tank), but that could easily command mediums at over 100km. The idea was a "carrier" type setup, where you max drone bonuses above all else.

All stats are comparing base, Gila hull bonuses with L5 skills (no module bonuses), then the "carrier" type setup. Stats are from a Hammerhead II.

Base | Base Gila | CarrierSuperDrone
DPS: 63.4 | 380 | 676

Falloff: 3000 | 3000 | 3900
Optimal: 1000 | 1250 | 1431
Tracking: .922 | .922 | 1.2

Velocity: 1680 | 2100 | 3958

Armor: 288 | 2160 | 3240
Shield: 134 | 1005 | 1508
Structure: 710 | 5325 | 7988
Shield Regen: 0.13 | 0.96 | 1.45

Okay, yeah, it's a fit no one would ever use. The DPS isn't that much more than 3 DDA's (635) or even 2 DDA's (561), and the loss of any high slot DPS means a net DPS loss. But I wouldn't mind having an alt sitting at 100km with two medium drones on /assist on me. :)

This.

because


as a multiboxer, drone assist is something I would trade tank for, and I'm too lazy to try to figure out on my own what fit you are referring to. not a biggie, though... the drone assist alts i trained fly ishtars anyway.

almost nothing is changing with the vigilant. except now it cant have the best tank and the best guns.

so settle down

Here's some simple ideas for fixing the Gila, rattler, Macharial and Cynabal respectively:

Aside from worm, guristas boats get the old drone bonuses back, but either keep the current missile bonuses or go 15-20% for a kin bonus per level. Weapon grouping for the drones works specifically for the worm because it does not have to contend with the issue of using smaller drones to defend against smaller ships.

Both angel cartel boats get the bonuses from the dramiel carried over to them, and the mach gets a gun slot knocked off. This gives the mach two utility highs, and both the unique distinction of having advantages in range and tracking, the latter of which for the vaga does not have, and the mach would end up being the only projectile-using battleship with a tracking bonus. It would also have 2 utility slots, which I'm certain a lot of pilots would get good mileage out of. Warp speed bonus stays, but gets upgraded to 6 for cynabal, and 9 for dramiel. Remember that these are pirate ships designed around solo usability in pvp and durability against most forms of hostility.

TLDR: Gila & Rattler get old bonuses with drones and keep missile damage bonuses, Cynabal and mach get same bonuses as the dramiel with 100% damage role bonus, 10% falloff and 7.5% tracking per level for respective racial bonuses, and get their warp speed upgraded to 9 for the dram, and 6 for the cynabal.

i dont no what RRT means but
currently on TQ.

and obviously it needs a nerf because you have to choose between tank and dps. and here the vigilant clearly gets both.

[Vigilant, 56]
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Damage Control II

Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II

Valkyrie II x5

T2 fitting rig, gg