Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This isn't enough btw, they need either a fitting buff or a bigger rof buff than this

I knew this change was coming. This combined with the upcoming changes to the pirate faction line of cruisers is going to make the Ashimu a monster, about time.

Have already been stockpiling A-type med nos, thank you CCP.

it's pretty funny when a single nos uses up more fitting than all of my guns combined.

I'm not sure what your point is, as they freely acknowledged that tweaks along this line might be necessary.

They simply wanted to get some hard metrics to work with first before taking any next steps.

Also, your definition of "fail" is a bit odd... as the changes are overall working as intended. They are simply tweaking the ROF on the module, not changing the mechanic.

I'm not as devout and EFT warrior as some but it seems to me the cycle time is only half the battle. The fitting requirements make even an electron blaster fit atron difficult to fly with a nos on unless your ACR a rig somewhere. At this point in my career with perfect fitting skills it seems kinda strange when I need to rig something like that, or throw a chip in my head to turn on a nos. The cost/benefit ratio is kind of skewed there for me.

The module I'd like to see fixed are cap batteries. I'd like to see greater resistance to nueting and nossing on them, less in the way of fitting requirement, and perhaps a reasonable cap pool boost. Seems like fixing an active module like the nos is putting the cart before the horse. What's needed is a capacitor with greater resistance to nueting, and enough size to get things done. Perhaps as a new low slot module, or just fixing the existing mid slot. But it needs more attention than the Nos at the moment.

- Renge

your welcome for the extra mid on the deimos for cap injection.

anybody else remember the 3 mid diemost?

As some already said, they need to be a bit more 'fitting'-friendly to be considered, and the nos drainage scale up with each size.

I use them, and I'm far from alone.

They're used for WH dreads, particularly Naglfars and shield Moroses. Increasing your total cap amount increases the EHP gained from conversion of cap to shield via your booster.

Now, that's somewhat niche, sure, and it doesn't translate very well into k-space because of the need for cap recharge for jumping, while the value of local tank is also less than it is in WHs. But it's still a distinct use. More pertinently, giving SMCs a neut reflect bonus would be a pretty hefty, and entirely undeserved, boost to these shield dreads because neuting them is the most EHP-effective way to take one down - their efficiency of conversion of cap to shield is so great that a typical subcap is normally much better off eliminating cap, rather than letting it convert that cap into shield and removing shield by shooting it.

So, it's undeserved boost to the ships that use SMCs, while not giving much of a motivation for ones that don't use them to switch to them. "Make the good ships better while leaving the broken ones unfixed" is a classic trap that can be seen repeatedly in Eve balancing history.

For example, it's exactly what happened to Nos last summer, when small Nos, which was already pretty useful, was boosted while useless heavy Nos got nerfed. And now CCP is doing the same thing again by a blanket change to Nos ROF, which again boosts the small Nos that is arguably fine already, while not helping in the slightest the heavy Nos that actually needs serious help. It would be funny if it wasn't so predictable.

so meta 4 nos and neut still better than t2. gotcha.