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Salvos Rhoska
#1881 - 2014-03-26 04:23:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Xuixien wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
What happens on TS3 is not subject to EVE Online's EULA or TOS. I think I said that. Let me scroll up. Oh yes, I did.


How and from where was Sohkar sourced into the TS3?


It doesn't matter.

People are sourced to the EVE sub reddit... from EVE.

And numerous other EVE blogs... from EVE.

CCP has no jurisdiction to police these places.

Sorry, you have no leg to stand on dude. Nothing that happened on TS3 was "entered into the System".


Where was Sohkar specifically sourced from into the TS3?

What specifically was he told to bring him there?

These are eminently important, because they potentially prove extending an ingame scam, to outside of it.

You have agreed that TS3 does not belong under the EULA, hence it is not "ingame", meaning any scam that is extended from within the game to outside of it, to TS3, becomes a legal liability vested in the person, not the character, as it is no longer under the auspices of the games context and EULA.

The scam within EVE, turns into a crime when you take it out of EVE.

You can't scam people IRL. Only in EVE.

This is exactly the kind of stuff felonies are made of.

Now answer the questions, since you seem to have been complicit in this.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1882 - 2014-03-26 04:23:40 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Xuixien wrote:


CCP encourages and loves people who dance around the edges of the EULA and push the limits.


Until you cross a line and lure victims into recorded chat rooms, where you mentaly ****, abuse and victimize them.

Then CCP starts counting which way community is leaning.

And we are leaning towards permabans. We are also leaning towards real-life consequences.


Sure. Call the police on me for listening to a conversation over TeamSpeak 3 in which no laws are violated. Let me know how that works out.

Sing a song about Gummy Bears. Oh ****, I just mentally abused you.


I've had to sing that one before.

"High adventure that's beyond compare, we are the Gummy Bears!"

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Tear Jar
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#1883 - 2014-03-26 04:24:58 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:



Seppuku is literally ritual sucide. You're suggesting he kill himself.

And you even manage to mention Mittens in the same breath.

This thread delivers.


Kaarous, this is the thread of a lifetime man.

Suicide requests, actual truths, Pillow Fights Online....

Torture, that one set of Europeans during WW II, cats dying by circular saws....

Hell, even if I get banned tomorrow, it was fun and a good run.

I know others feel the same way.

Guess HTFU actually meant, "Harden up, but not too much, or we will have to martyr you without looking at facts."

vOv

*edit, fixed quote.


and people say Erotica 1 doesn't create content, am I right?

I actually logged into Eve long enough to kill a guy who was stealing my stuff. But otherwise, this has been a lot of "Eve related" fun for the day.


I know right? We are easily going to get over 100 pages in under 24 hours. If this keeps up for a few days, the thread will be setting Eve records.
Salvos Rhoska
#1884 - 2014-03-26 04:25:57 UTC
Tear Jar wrote:
I know right? We are easily going to get over 100 pages in under 24 hours. If this keeps up for a few days, the thread will be setting Eve records.


She's created about 4 posts in this thread. That aint much content.
Don't get too excited.
Drone 16
Holy Horde
#1885 - 2014-03-26 04:26:09 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Teamspeak EULA

11. PROHIBITED CONDUCT

You represent and warrant that you will not violate any of the terms and conditions set forth in this Agreement and that:

You will not use TeamSpeak software to engage in or allow others to engage in any illegal activity.




And my job is done.


Today I learned that stealing space pixels is apparently illegal.



No. Today you learned how community has had enough BS, and decided to police itself. Get with the program or leave.

By the way, only E1 will take the fall for this if you play your cards right. You should jump ship while you can. Delete all your posts, and lay low.


I'm proud to admit that I listen to live Bonus Rounds and spend the entire time giggling to myself.


Hence you defend E1s actions because you are a willing participant who thrives in the anonymous humiliation of strangers. It is an unfortunate by product of an otherwise wondrous invention, the Internet. You aren't anything edgy or special you are just a symptom of the downward trend.

At least E1 had the intellect to come up with this idea and the mental capacity keep on task. You sitting there passively enjoying his "work" just makes you a stooge.

Again, I am not convinced CCP should take action on this but some of you have very scary outlooks on what "fun" is.

It puts the peanutbutter on itself or it leaves the bonus round... - E1's greatest Hits

Cardano Firesnake
Fire Bullet Inc
#1886 - 2014-03-26 04:26:16 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Hands up everyone who can see a problem with demanding the CCP ban people on the basis of "They haven't broken any game rules, and they haven't broken any laws, but I find them personally distasteful"




Perharps it is time to had in the EULA a article about psychological harassment...

Posted - 2010.07.01 11:24:00 - [4] Erase learning skills, remap all SP. That's all.

KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#1887 - 2014-03-26 04:26:35 UTC
I say we round up all naysayers, do a group bonus round, CSM Thunderdome Edition.

It shall be glorious.

Justice.

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#1888 - 2014-03-26 04:26:55 UTC
Tear Jar wrote:
I know right? We are easily going to get over 100 pages in under 24 hours. If this keeps up for a few days, the thread will be setting Eve records.


This thread might last for DAYS?

Ill get my paint shop monkeys making more sheep pictures. We are going to need them.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1889 - 2014-03-26 04:27:43 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
Reading this thread reinforces, at least in my mind, the degree to which the eve community is sheltered from the "normal" online world.

Consider your typical call of duty lobby on xbox live:

-You've probably got no less than three 30 year old white supremacists ranting about the plight of the oppressed white man and how obama is the root of all evil.
-Little Timmy, The twelve year old that banged every mother in the world, living or dead.
-The faux-millitary type that will use their training and connections to find you and kill your entire family because your a wall-haxx0r.
-The dude on your team spamming an audio-mix from some terrible porno for the entire match.
-The guy that tells everyone to go kill themselves.
-The "fake" sexual predator, jokingly making a pass at little timmy.

Compared to that, Eve players are the pinnacle of restraint and sophistication.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1890 - 2014-03-26 04:28:20 UTC
Cardano Firesnake wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Hands up everyone who can see a problem with demanding the CCP ban people on the basis of "They haven't broken any game rules, and they haven't broken any laws, but I find them personally distasteful"




Perharps it is time to had in the EULA a article about psychological harassment...


Making it about something as unabashedly subjective as that, is fraught with peril. That being, it's a stupid idea. I have a stack of saved evemails that would enable me to ban/blackmail nearly everyone who sent them.

I know other "griefers" keep similar trophies.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1891 - 2014-03-26 04:29:34 UTC
Just wondering, did Shokar want all these so called news organizations writing about this incident, and linking the recording, or are they just exploiting him for views?

Because if they didn't ask for permission, then they're participation in his "harassment", and perhaps some self bans are in order.

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~

Salvos Rhoska
#1892 - 2014-03-26 04:29:36 UTC
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:
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You should be the first against the wall, for sharing that abomination of cancer.
YOU THINK THIS IS A GAME?
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#1893 - 2014-03-26 04:29:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Xuixien
Salvos Rhoska wrote:


You have agreed that TS3 does not belong under the EULA, hence it is not "ingame", meaning any scam that is extended from within the game to outside of it, to TS3, becomes a legal liability vested in the person, not the character, as it is no longer under the auspices of the games context and EULA.

The scam within EVE, turns into a crime when you take it out of EVE.

You can't scam people IRL. Only in EVE.

Now answer the questions, since you seem to have been complicit in this.


Oh I see, you're trying to play little semantic tricks here.

Fact is: You can't scam people out of something that they do not even own. None of his assets are owned by him, only CCP.

It is not criminal to scam people out of virtual currency in a game. If it is, by all means: Call the police.

Let us know how it works out.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist

LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1894 - 2014-03-26 04:30:02 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Tear Jar wrote:
I know right? We are easily going to get over 100 pages in under 24 hours. If this keeps up for a few days, the thread will be setting Eve records.


This thread might last for DAYS?

Ill get my paint shop monkeys making more sheep pictures. We are going to need them.


Naa. You are all going down. First you will all go down in EVE, then Teamspeak will do a little bit of digging.... Maybe even media will pick this up...

And then some young prosecutor somewhere, eager to prove his/her mettle, will pick up the case.

Good idea actually, I will send this case to a couple of US NGOs that deal with cyber bullying. You can always count on americans for this sort of thing, one thing i admire about our southern neighbour.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#1895 - 2014-03-26 04:30:28 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Just wondering, did Shokar want all these so called news organizations writing about this incident, and linking the recording, or are they just exploiting him for views?

Because if they didn't ask for permission, then they're participation in his "harassment", and perhaps some self bans are in order.


Perceptive. :)

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist

Xander Delacroix
Doomheim
#1896 - 2014-03-26 04:31:14 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Tear Jar wrote:
I know right? We are easily going to get over 100 pages in under 24 hours. If this keeps up for a few days, the thread will be setting Eve records.


This thread might last for DAYS?

Ill get my paint shop monkeys making more sheep pictures. We are going to need them.


The only reason this thread hasn't been locked before now is because it is an unreasonable hour of the morning in Iceland, and I suspect the ISDs are waiting for a dev to call time on this one. However, there hasn't really been an original argument or idea for about a thousand posts or so, just a degeneration of the debate into personal attacks and general trolling.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#1897 - 2014-03-26 04:32:08 UTC
Drone 16 wrote:
Hence you defend E1s actions because you are a willing participant who thrives in the anonymous humiliation of strangers. It is an unfortunate by product of an otherwise wondrous invention, the Internet. You aren't anything edgy or special you are just a symptom of the downward trend.

At least E1 had the intellect to come up with this idea and the mental capacity keep on task. You sitting there passively enjoying his "work" just makes you a stooge.


You are 100% correct, except I'm not defending Eros 1 because I enjoy his content, but because he is not actually violating any rules or laws anywhere.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist

Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#1898 - 2014-03-26 04:32:31 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Tear Jar wrote:
I know right? We are easily going to get over 100 pages in under 24 hours. If this keeps up for a few days, the thread will be setting Eve records.


This thread might last for DAYS?

Ill get my paint shop monkeys making more sheep pictures. We are going to need them.


There I was on page 1 with an "IB4L".

Puts hands on face and shakes in shame....
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1899 - 2014-03-26 04:32:34 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:


Im putting money on Salvos being Sohkars "wife" actually.


She was the lawyer wasn't she?


She said she was something like that. Id listen to the recordings again to find out, but the sheeple would make me feel bad and burn me along side Ero like Guy of Auvergne if I laughed at any of it while listening to her responses.


I'm not giving into those bullies. I listened to that bit of the soundclound again (thanks Kalorned for the bm's!). And I guess I was wrong, I didn't hear her claim to be a lawyer. She only claims to be some sort of internet Liam Neeson in the Eve version of Taken.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."

Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#1900 - 2014-03-26 04:32:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Divine Entervention
I can't justify myself playing this game knowing CCP lets the actions of people like erotica1 to take place and remain in game.

It's so appalling that I feel compelled to warn others not to associate with this game.

CCP not taking a stance on this is them silently condoning it. That's not a company I want to succeed. It's proof that CCP takes pleasure knowing their own userbase is cannibalizing and humiliating each other. They need to draw the line in the sand, or they're saying they're going to allow eve to continue it's spiral into the most wretched hub of the internet.

EvE might be fun, but it's not fun enough to justify abuses such as this going unaddressed.