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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1821 - 2014-03-26 03:59:59 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Shizuken wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


E1 did non of those things while the "victim" did fall under Harassment for his racially offensive and being threatening to another player.


He continuously baited someone with promises of giving his stuff back, while asking him to do humiliating things drawing attention to a speech impediment. specifically targeted this individual to aggravate him and take advantage of him for 2 hours.

That clearly falls under the guidelines quoted.


Having listened to the whole recording I can not find at any point where Erotica1 continually and maliciously humiliated the contestant. What I heard was the script used for all bonus rooms and the contestant throwing abuse left and right. Long story short he willing gave his stuff over to gamble on quadrupling it and lost. He got angry and for 30 min there was nothing but him tossing insults about, he could have backed out at any time but he didn't.

Erotica1 has done nothing against the EULA. You might not agree with what he does but that is no excuse for this witch hunt you people have embarked upon. You are literally doing the very thing you are accusing Erotica1 of doing, deliberately targeting a player.


First off, the EULA is not the only set of "rules" that define who or what can be said and done in game. Human decency trumps anything that a set of lawyers dreamed up, and in their worst nightmares, no one could imagine the abomination we are discussing now. CCP also is a private company, and can toss any customer they like, for any reason they like, whenever they like. Frankly, I expect one of the cartel members to ban me from the game soon enough.

So just stuff your crap about the EULA and how it is some writing on some stone tablets that the players and CCP must live by, forever, unchanging, and anything not covered in the EULA must be allowed to continue.

And BTW, absolutely, this slime IS being targeted and singled out. Nothing wrong with that at all. If CCP makes a very public example of him, that will have the desired chilling effect on the psychopaths like him, hopefully. There is always a first perpetrator convicted of a new law. And yes, it does not matter that the "law" is not written in the EULA. Common decency trumps that by a mile. CCP can change the EULA after the fact, or not at all.

Humans should not need some idiotic words massaged by some lawyer to know right from wrong, and how to behave in society, even if that society is a cutthroat game.


Do you even know anything about these bonus rooms? Have you even listened to the recording?
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1822 - 2014-03-26 04:00:02 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Teamspeak EULA

11. PROHIBITED CONDUCT

You represent and warrant that you will not violate any of the terms and conditions set forth in this Agreement and that:

You will not use TeamSpeak software to engage in or allow others to engage in any illegal activity.



And my job is done.


Today I learned that stealing space pixels is apparently illegal.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Tor Norman
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1823 - 2014-03-26 04:00:43 UTC
Zappity wrote:
Tor Norman wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
I can see Erotica being banned

I can't see him being banned. Precisely because the damage of the confidence that CCP's customers have in them would be far, far worse for the company than anything Erotica has ever done or could do.

I disagree - I can see him being banned. He has crossed a line and it is not going to be healthy for EVE's reputation.

EVE is known as a harsh game where you can be scammed and stolen from. This is as it should be. But the disgusting behavior from both sides of that recording went too far. I wouldn't be at all surprised if both Erotica1 and the contestant were banned.

Because people tease each other? Seriously? Everyone everywhere should be banned from every game ever made and that ever will be made, apparently.

You know what's worse for your reputation? Banning players that haven't broken any rules without warning. Just how much confidence do you think CCP's customers will have that their accounts will remain unmolested? What if I respond to a gank victim's cries of desparation with a "lol"? Should I be banned for that? Because it could've hurt someone's feelings?

In a game where the players are expected to define their own morality, I think that arbitrarily actioning someone's account because they've elected to subscribe to the wrong morals is a particularly bad move. Both in terms of customer confidence and the sandbox nature of EVE.

I talk about EVE trading and general space violence in my blog.

For the ISK and the yarr!
Muestereate
Minions LLC
#1824 - 2014-03-26 04:00:45 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:
Facts



I applaud your effort to inject facts and reason into this thread.

The sheeple have their ears plugged and eyes covered and their minds are set. Their cries are being heard by some small news sources already. Now, Ero1 will be used as a scapegoat, and CCP will ban him with little to no actual investigation, and Ripard will sit back with a smug look of superiority upon his face knowing he has abused his power as a member of CSM. His blog will gain followers, Eve will gain subs due to the publicity, and the bar will be lowered. Soon, the trolls of GD will be banned for "harassment and torture" by saying "INB4 the lock", and anything in Local chats other than "gf" will lead to account suspensions. Gankers and scammers will be permabanned, arenas will be set up for "PvP", we will shave off the sharp corners, round the edges, and pad the hard areas, replace the sand with non-toxic biodegradable playground sand-like materials, and the pandaverse will be complete.

The NeX better start putting in pajamas and hot cocoa, because here comes the softer side of CCP, Pillow Fights Online.



You make it sound as if paradise is just around the corner, bless your soul
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#1825 - 2014-03-26 04:00:55 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


Considering TS3's user agreement basically ends at "don't reverse engineer this product", it ought to be funny.


We will see. I am betting teamspeak wont like to be in any way associated with words like, oh i dont know,

1) cyber-bullying
2) online predators
3) vulnerable victim
4) abuse


Well, if you used those words, you lied your ass off.

There is no such thing as cyber bullying, and the "victim" participated of his own free will.



Cyber bullying is real. Examples include people making fake Facebook accounts claiming to be the bullying target, then using the fake profile to mess up the target's life (by sending abuse to their RL boss, asking their friends for nude pictures, etc). It's commonly done by controlling ex-lovers and sadistic teenagers.

The people calling Ero's games 'cyber bullying' belittles all the people that actually experience that sort of abuse, just like calling this '****' or 'torture' belittles people that have survived one or both of those.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Salvos Rhoska
#1826 - 2014-03-26 04:01:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Shizuken wrote:
Tor Norman wrote:


I am under the understanding that Ero always gets consent to broadcast the conversations. Just checked, after the first minute Ero clearly states that the conversation is being recorded and refers to an earlier conversation regarding the matter. It seems he didn't miss that important point this time.


You are correct, I went to listen to it again. I have retracted that part of my statement.


False.

1) There is no evidence that Sohkar had even entered the channel at that point or actually heard it
2) He says "EU-I-LA". Wtf is that. Never heard of it. You don't use acronyms in recordings that are meant to have legal weight.
3) Sohkar at no point expresses consent to being recorded.
4) To prove implied consent, you have to include it expressly in the wording:
"By participating in X, you consent to being recorded".
All that implied consent does, is means the other party does not have to actually respond.
It does not mean that you can imply that without including it implicitly in your wording.
Cops say it like this, because many of the people they are questioning have no interest in answering ANYTHING, let alone giving consent if asked for it. The cops still have to state that the consent is implied.
5) At no point are rights given or asked for, to distribute the recording.

I swear, the more I learn about this "Bonus Room" stuff, the more disappointed I am by apparently what tards there are involved in orchestrating it. This is really amateur stuff.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#1827 - 2014-03-26 04:02:02 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Teamspeak EULA

11. PROHIBITED CONDUCT

You represent and warrant that you will not violate any of the terms and conditions set forth in this Agreement and that:

You will not use TeamSpeak software to engage in or allow others to engage in any illegal activity.



And my job is done.


Damn.

Does Sokahr know you're about to get him banned from TeamSpeak?

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#1828 - 2014-03-26 04:02:03 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:
Facts



I applaud your effort to inject facts and reason into this thread.

The sheeple have their ears plugged and eyes covered and their minds are set. Their cries are being heard by some small news sources already. Now, Ero1 will be used as a scapegoat, and CCP will ban him with little to no actual investigation, and Ripard will sit back with a smug look of superiority upon his face knowing he has abused his power as a member of CSM. His blog will gain followers, Eve will gain subs due to the publicity, and the bar will be lowered. Soon, the trolls of GD will be banned for "harassment and torture" by saying "INB4 the lock", and anything in Local chats other than "gf" will lead to account suspensions. Gankers and scammers will be permabanned, arenas will be set up for "PvP", we will shave off the sharp corners, round the edges, and pad the hard areas, replace the sand with non-toxic biodegradable playground sand-like materials, and the pandaverse will be complete.

The NeX better start putting in pajamas and hot cocoa, because here comes the softer side of CCP, Pillow Fights Online.



I wonder...

How would Pillow Fights Online transfer into an Icelandic rap song?

Hmmmm......

Big smile

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.
PinkPanter
Valhalla Drinking Team
#1829 - 2014-03-26 04:02:34 UTC  |  Edited by: PinkPanter
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Teamspeak EULA

11. PROHIBITED CONDUCT

You represent and warrant that you will not violate any of the terms and conditions set forth in this Agreement and that:

You will not use TeamSpeak software to engage in or allow others to engage in any illegal activity.



And my job is done.


Dumbgoat proof translation:

Cyber bullying can land you a room in local prison these days.
Michele Bachmann
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1830 - 2014-03-26 04:02:41 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:
Facts



I applaud your effort to inject facts and reason into this thread.

The sheeple have their ears plugged and eyes covered and their minds are set. Their cries are being heard by some small news sources already. Now, Ero1 will be used as a scapegoat, and CCP will ban him with little to no actual investigation, and Ripard will sit back with a smug look of superiority upon his face knowing he has abused his power as a member of CSM. His blog will gain followers, Eve will gain subs due to the publicity, and the bar will be lowered. Soon, the trolls of GD will be banned for "harassment and torture" by saying "INB4 the lock", and anything in Local chats other than "gf" will lead to account suspensions. Gankers and scammers will be permabanned, arenas will be set up for "PvP", we will shave off the sharp corners, round the edges, and pad the hard areas, replace the sand with non-toxic biodegradable playground sand-like materials, and the pandaverse will be complete.

The NeX better start putting in pajamas and hot cocoa, because here comes the softer side of CCP, Pillow Fights Online.



I laughed so hard, I urinated a few drips.


A few? I was going full blast
Xander Delacroix
Doomheim
#1831 - 2014-03-26 04:03:08 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
And Teamspeak is now aware of this issue as well.




Did you make threats of violence against them too, or do you only do that to EVE players?


You're just a broken record today aren't you?
Pshyco Steve
Original Sinners
Pandemic Legion
#1832 - 2014-03-26 04:03:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Pshyco Steve
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Teamspeak EULA

11. PROHIBITED CONDUCT

You represent and warrant that you will not violate any of the terms and conditions set forth in this Agreement and that:

You will not use TeamSpeak software to engage in or allow others to engage in any illegal activity.



And my job is done.


What laws were broken?
Did they steal his stuff? No he gave it to them.
Did they threaten him? No he and his wife made the threats and racial comments.
Was anyone in anyway hurt by this? No just the guys desk from the sounds of it.
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1833 - 2014-03-26 04:03:42 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


Considering TS3's user agreement basically ends at "don't reverse engineer this product", it ought to be funny.


We will see. I am betting teamspeak wont like to be in any way associated with words like, oh i dont know,

1) cyber-bullying
2) online predators
3) vulnerable victim
4) abuse


much less:

"I will hunt you mother ******* down and gut your ******* asses." -- Sohkar.

But actually, nah, TS won't give a crap. I hope you have some preplanned way of dealing with the coming letdown.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1834 - 2014-03-26 04:04:00 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Teamspeak EULA

11. PROHIBITED CONDUCT

You represent and warrant that you will not violate any of the terms and conditions set forth in this Agreement and that:

You will not use TeamSpeak software to engage in or allow others to engage in any illegal activity.



And my job is done.


Today I learned that stealing space pixels is apparently illegal.



No. Today you learned how community has had enough BS, and decided to police itself. Get with the program or leave.

By the way, only E1 will take the fall for this if you play your cards right. You should jump ship while you can. Delete all your posts, and lay low.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#1835 - 2014-03-26 04:05:13 UTC
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:


I wonder...

How would Pillow Fights Online transfer into an Icelandic rap song?

Hmmmm......

Big smile



Well, if Bjork sings it, it should sound something like a circular saw being thrown down a long staircase at a cat while Bobcat Goldtwait yodels.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Michele Bachmann
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1836 - 2014-03-26 04:05:13 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Teamspeak EULA

11. PROHIBITED CONDUCT

You represent and warrant that you will not violate any of the terms and conditions set forth in this Agreement and that:

You will not use TeamSpeak software to engage in or allow others to engage in any illegal activity.



And my job is done.


Today I learned that stealing space pixels is apparently illegal.



No. Today you learned how community has had enough BS, and decided to police itself. Get with the program or leave.

By the way, only E1 will take the fall for this if you play your cards right. You should jump ship while you can. Delete all your posts, and lay low.


I missed the vote, could you direct me to my nearest polling location please?
EI Digin
irc.zulusquad.org
#1837 - 2014-03-26 04:05:33 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
No. Today you learned how community has had enough BS, and decided to police itself. Get with the program or leave.

By the way, only E1 will take the fall for this if you play your cards right. You should jump ship while you can. Delete all your posts, and lay low.


Are you admitting to being a vigilante and breaking the EULA and potentially the law to further your own goals?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1838 - 2014-03-26 04:06:03 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Teamspeak EULA

11. PROHIBITED CONDUCT

You represent and warrant that you will not violate any of the terms and conditions set forth in this Agreement and that:

You will not use TeamSpeak software to engage in or allow others to engage in any illegal activity.



And my job is done.


Today I learned that stealing space pixels is apparently illegal.



No. Today you learned how community has had enough BS, and decided to police itself. Get with the program or leave.

By the way, only E1 will take the fall for this if you play your cards right. You should jump ship while you can. Delete all your posts, and lay low.


Given what you have posted thus far, only you and a few others are looking at the very least a warning or possible forum bans.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1839 - 2014-03-26 04:06:16 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Teamspeak EULA

11. PROHIBITED CONDUCT

You represent and warrant that you will not violate any of the terms and conditions set forth in this Agreement and that:

You will not use TeamSpeak software to engage in or allow others to engage in any illegal activity.



And my job is done.


Today I learned that stealing space pixels is apparently illegal.



No. Today you learned how community has had enough BS, and decided to police itself. Get with the program or leave.

By the way, only E1 will take the fall for this if you play your cards right. You should jump ship while you can. Delete all your posts, and lay low.


The community isn't policing anything. You're figuratively running to Mommy, you aren't doing anything yourself.

Your attempts at high pressure intimidation tactics, given your white knight position, is pretty funny by the way.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#1840 - 2014-03-26 04:06:29 UTC
You know Ero 1 could have used a valuable lesson from the Mittani, simply apologized before it turned in to a 92 page threadnaught and the whole thing would have been forgotten and fallen to page two of GD within the hour; But true to EVE form, defences, justifications and HTFU have slaughtered any chance of a tactical retreat.

Yeah we are looking at Seppuku as possibly the only safe way out now , but no worries you can make a new alt and be back in business in a few weeks.

Well you could have.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.