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Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#1801 - 2014-03-26 03:54:06 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:
Facts



I applaud your effort to inject facts and reason into this thread.

The sheeple have their ears plugged and eyes covered and their minds are set. Their cries are being heard by some small news sources already. Now, Ero1 will be used as a scapegoat, and CCP will ban him with little to no actual investigation, and Ripard will sit back with a smug look of superiority upon his face knowing he has abused his power as a member of CSM. His blog will gain followers, Eve will gain subs due to the publicity, and the bar will be lowered. Soon, the trolls of GD will be banned for "harassment and torture" by saying "INB4 the lock", and anything in Local chats other than "gf" will lead to account suspensions. Gankers and scammers will be permabanned, arenas will be set up for "PvP", we will shave off the sharp corners, round the edges, and pad the hard areas, replace the sand with non-toxic biodegradable playground sand-like materials, and the pandaverse will be complete.

The NeX better start putting in pajamas and hot cocoa, because here comes the softer side of CCP, Pillow Fights Online.



I laughed so hard, I urinated a few drips.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#1802 - 2014-03-26 03:54:13 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

Having listened to the whole recording I can not find at any point where Erotica1 continually and maliciously humiliated the contestant. What I heard was the script used for all bonus rooms and the contestant throwing abuse left and right. Long story short he willing gave his stuff over to gamble on quadrupling it and lost. He got angry and for 30 min there was nothing but him tossing insults about, he could have backed out at any time but he didn't.

Erotica1 has done nothing against the EULA. You might not agree with what he does but that is no excuse for this witch hunt you people have embarked upon. You are literally doing the very thing you are accusing Erotica1 of doing, deliberately targeting a player.



Exactly right.

Note also that this comes from a Goon - a group that generally have little time for Ero nowadays.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Mario Putzo
#1803 - 2014-03-26 03:54:45 UTC
Xuixien wrote:

Laughing at people making fools of themselves? I think that's a past time that goes way back to the dawn of recorded history.

I mean, ****, who didn't grow up watching America's Funniest Home Videos?


It goes back longer than that. Don't forget, all the misfits of the world used to be gainfully employed as freaks in the circus.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#1804 - 2014-03-26 03:55:02 UTC
Tor Norman wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
I can see Erotica being banned

I can't see him being banned. Precisely because the damage of the confidence that CCP's customers have in them would be far, far worse for the company than anything Erotica has ever done or could do.

I disagree - I can see him being banned. He has crossed a line and it is not going to be healthy for EVE's reputation.

EVE is known as a harsh game where you can be scammed and stolen from. This is as it should be. But the disgusting behavior from both sides of that recording went too far. I wouldn't be at all surprised if both Erotica1 and the contestant were banned.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#1805 - 2014-03-26 03:55:17 UTC
Because of EvE's community, it's not an acceptable place to bring new players.

They should stay away.

It would be like bringing your 14 year old daughter to a biker gang's clubhouse and then leaving her unattended for the entire night.

The community defending the actions of Erotica1 is proof enough that too much of this community is diseased, tainted, and filthy degenerates unworthy of calling themselves human beings.

They're more animal than human.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1806 - 2014-03-26 03:55:26 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


Considering TS3's user agreement basically ends at "don't reverse engineer this product", it ought to be funny.


We will see. I am betting teamspeak wont like to be in any way associated with words like, oh i dont know,

1) cyber-bullying
2) online predators
3) vulnerable victim
4) abuse


Well, if you used those words, you lied your ass off.

There is no such thing as cyber bullying, and the "victim" participated of his own free will.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Drone 16
Holy Horde
#1807 - 2014-03-26 03:55:43 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
Then why didn't he leave the conversation?


Its irrelevant. Mail him and ask yourself if you wish for an answer to that question.

None of what happened in the TS "Bonus Room" is any of CCPs concern or business.

What is of concern to CCP and the community at large, is Erotica1s activities of actively predating on the community for victims with ingame scams that he extends to OUTSIDE THE GAME.

You cant do that. Its against the EULA.

Scams are fine within the game, it is NOT ok to scam people OUTSIDE the game.


Does CCP really have jurisdiction outside of the game?


Not as such but they can act on in-game on things that effect their business. I'm not saying they should I'm simply answering your question.

It puts the peanutbutter on itself or it leaves the bonus round... - E1's greatest Hits
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#1808 - 2014-03-26 03:55:49 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


Considering TS3's user agreement basically ends at "don't reverse engineer this product", it ought to be funny.


We will see. I am betting teamspeak wont like to be in any way associated with words like, oh i dont know,

1) cyber-bullying
2) online predators
3) vulnerable victim
4) abuse


You're right.

I think Sokahr should absolutely be banned from TS3 for 3 of those. Not sure number 2 even happened, though.

"Online predators"... are you talking about men who lure underaged girls to the park at night? Or social engineer credit card information out of people? Cuz that's not what's happening here.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Rob Kashuken
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1809 - 2014-03-26 03:56:02 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


Considering TS3's user agreement basically ends at "don't reverse engineer this product", it ought to be funny.


We will see. I am betting teamspeak wont like to be in any way associated with words like, oh i dont know,

1) cyber-bullying
2) online predators
3) vulnerable victim
4) abuse


Eh, you lost me there. They'll just refer to the carrier's defense, that they just provide the platform, and that they can't mediate on content. I think that the TS angle is not a winnable one here.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#1810 - 2014-03-26 03:56:19 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
And Teamspeak is now aware of this issue as well.




Did you make threats of violence against them too, or do you only do that to EVE players?

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#1811 - 2014-03-26 03:56:41 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Shizuken wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


E1 did non of those things while the "victim" did fall under Harassment for his racially offensive and being threatening to another player.


He continuously baited someone with promises of giving his stuff back, while asking him to do humiliating things drawing attention to a speech impediment. specifically targeted this individual to aggravate him and take advantage of him for 2 hours.

That clearly falls under the guidelines quoted.


Having listened to the whole recording I can not find at any point where Erotica1 continually and maliciously humiliated the contestant. What I heard was the script used for all bonus rooms and the contestant throwing abuse left and right. Long story short he willing gave his stuff over to gamble on quadrupling it and lost. He got angry and for 30 min there was nothing but him tossing insults about, he could have backed out at any time but he didn't.

Erotica1 has done nothing against the EULA. You might not agree with what he does but that is no excuse for this witch hunt you people have embarked upon. You are literally doing the very thing you are accusing Erotica1 of doing, deliberately targeting a player.


First off, the EULA is not the only set of "rules" that define who or what can be said and done in game. Human decency trumps anything that a set of lawyers dreamed up, and in their worst nightmares, no one could imagine the abomination we are discussing now. CCP also is a private company, and can toss any customer they like, for any reason they like, whenever they like. Frankly, I expect one of the cartel members to ban me from the game soon enough.

So just stuff your crap about the EULA and how it is some writing on some stone tablets that the players and CCP must live by, forever, unchanging, and anything not covered in the EULA must be allowed to continue.

And BTW, absolutely, this slime IS being targeted and singled out. Nothing wrong with that at all. If CCP makes a very public example of him, that will have the desired chilling effect on the psychopaths like him, hopefully. There is always a first perpetrator convicted of a new law. And yes, it does not matter that the "law" is not written in the EULA. Common decency trumps that by a mile. CCP can change the EULA after the fact, or not at all.

Humans should not need some idiotic words massaged by some lawyer to know right from wrong, and how to behave in society, even if that society is a cutthroat game.
Mario Putzo
#1812 - 2014-03-26 03:57:00 UTC
Zappity wrote:
Tor Norman wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
I can see Erotica being banned

I can't see him being banned. Precisely because the damage of the confidence that CCP's customers have in them would be far, far worse for the company than anything Erotica has ever done or could do.

I disagree - I can see him being banned. He has crossed a line and it is not going to be healthy for EVE's reputation.

EVE is known as a harsh game where you can be scammed and stolen from. This is as it should be. But the disgusting behavior from both sides of that recording went too far. I wouldn't be at all surprised if both Erotica1 and the contestant were banned.


have you listened to the recording?
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#1813 - 2014-03-26 03:57:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Xuixien
Drone 16 wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
Then why didn't he leave the conversation?


Its irrelevant. Mail him and ask yourself if you wish for an answer to that question.

None of what happened in the TS "Bonus Room" is any of CCPs concern or business.

What is of concern to CCP and the community at large, is Erotica1s activities of actively predating on the community for victims with ingame scams that he extends to OUTSIDE THE GAME.

You cant do that. Its against the EULA.

Scams are fine within the game, it is NOT ok to scam people OUTSIDE the game.


Does CCP really have jurisdiction outside of the game?


Not as such but they can act on in-game on things that effect their business. I'm not saying they should I'm simply answering your question.


Maybe they should make Erotica 1 a Dev the same way they made someone else who caused some bad publicity a Dev.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#1814 - 2014-03-26 03:57:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
And Teamspeak is now aware of this issue as well.



In your crusade to take this to the masses, have you considered the possible consequences of your actions on Sokhar?

After all, even in a country of 315 million people, how many dual US-Russian former marine air-traffic controllers can there be?

Have you thought of the possibility that his identity could be determined and published somewhere, that his employer might listen to that recording after being approached, that his wife's employer could find out her identity at some point?

Have you asked him about your approach to TS, etc. and whether he is ok with that?
EI Digin
irc.zulusquad.org
#1815 - 2014-03-26 03:58:19 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Shizuken wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


E1 did non of those things while the "victim" did fall under Harassment for his racially offensive and being threatening to another player.


He continuously baited someone with promises of giving his stuff back, while asking him to do humiliating things drawing attention to a speech impediment. specifically targeted this individual to aggravate him and take advantage of him for 2 hours.

That clearly falls under the guidelines quoted.


Having listened to the whole recording I can not find at any point where Erotica1 continually and maliciously humiliated the contestant. What I heard was the script used for all bonus rooms and the contestant throwing abuse left and right. Long story short he willing gave his stuff over to gamble on quadrupling it and lost. He got angry and for 30 min there was nothing but him tossing insults about, he could have backed out at any time but he didn't.

Erotica1 has done nothing against the EULA. You might not agree with what he does but that is no excuse for this witch hunt you people have embarked upon. You are literally doing the very thing you are accusing Erotica1 of doing, deliberately targeting a player.


First off, the EULA is not the only set of "rules" that define who or what can be said and done in game. Human decency trumps anything that a set of lawyers dreamed up, and in their worst nightmares, no one could imagine the abomination we are discussing now. CCP also is a private company, and can toss any customer they like, for any reason they like, whenever they like. Frankly, I expect one of the cartel members to ban me from the game soon enough.

So just stuff your crap about the EULA and how it is some writing on some stone tablets that the players and CCP must live by, forever, unchanging, and anything not covered in the EULA must be allowed to continue.

And BTW, absolutely, this slime IS being targeted and singled out. Nothing wrong with that at all. If CCP makes a very public example of him, that will have the desired chilling effect on the psychopaths like him, hopefully. There is always a first perpetrator convicted of a new law. And yes, it does not matter that the "law" is not written in the EULA. Common decency trumps that by a mile. CCP can change the EULA after the fact, or not at all.

Humans should not need some idiotic words massaged by some lawyer to know right from wrong, and how to behave in society, even if that society is a cutthroat game.

Hopefully CCP sets an example and sends you to a mental hospital.
Pshyco Steve
Original Sinners
Pandemic Legion
#1816 - 2014-03-26 03:58:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Pshyco Steve
Nothing wrong with what happened at all. The guy who got scammed has no one to blame but himself, if anyting he needs to be banned for making threats and racial comments. There's no reason to act like that over pixels. He was strung along and worked up because he let it get to that point. There's an x on the top of the ts client he could of closed it and left at anytime, but he made the choice to stay there and embarrass himself over and over again. Even his wife made threats, ban her as well.

wead the wules before pwaying this game
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1817 - 2014-03-26 03:58:43 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:


First off, the EULA is not the only set of "rules" that define who or what can be said and done in game. Human decency trumps anything that a set of lawyers dreamed up, and in their worst nightmares, no one could imagine the abomination we are discussing now. CCP also is a private company, and can toss any customer they like, for any reason they like, whenever they like. Frankly, I expect one of the cartel members to ban me from the game soon enough.

So just stuff your crap about the EULA and how it is some writing on some stone tablets that the players and CCP must live by, forever, unchanging, and anything not covered in the EULA must be allowed to continue.

And BTW, absolutely, this slime IS being targeted and singled out. Nothing wrong with that at all. If CCP makes a very public example of him, that will have the desired chilling effect on the psychopaths like him, hopefully. There is always a first perpetrator convicted of a new law. And yes, it does not matter that the "law" is not written in the EULA. Common decency trumps that by a mile. CCP can change the EULA after the fact, or not at all.

Humans should not need some idiotic words massaged by some lawyer to know right from wrong, and how to behave in society, even if that society is a cutthroat game.


So, can we get you banned for "common decency" for being a liar, a nuisance, and a libelist?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
PinkPanter
Valhalla Drinking Team
#1818 - 2014-03-26 03:58:58 UTC  |  Edited by: PinkPanter
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


Considering TS3's user agreement basically ends at "don't reverse engineer this product", it ought to be funny.


We will see. I am betting teamspeak wont like to be in any way associated with words like, oh i dont know,

1) cyber-bullying
2) online predators
3) vulnerable victim
4) abuse


Considering how most online media sites are being told to monitor for such activities or will be prosecuted under US or EU laws they might actually look at it.

It's all good when a game is a game.
EVE is reaching a point where it all blurs.

Few days ago somebody posted on reddit that local enforcement knocked on his door because few hours later he said something in the lines of "I will kill myself" while playing eve. A CCP employe confirmed that they did notify international law enforcement and etc. With such a horeshit post like this one I guarantee you you have Interpol and all other agencies looking at it as we speak and probably CCP was first to notify them so their hands are clear in case something bad happens.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#1819 - 2014-03-26 03:59:04 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Zappity wrote:
Tor Norman wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
I can see Erotica being banned

I can't see him being banned. Precisely because the damage of the confidence that CCP's customers have in them would be far, far worse for the company than anything Erotica has ever done or could do.

I disagree - I can see him being banned. He has crossed a line and it is not going to be healthy for EVE's reputation.

EVE is known as a harsh game where you can be scammed and stolen from. This is as it should be. But the disgusting behavior from both sides of that recording went too far. I wouldn't be at all surprised if both Erotica1 and the contestant were banned.


have you listened to the recording?


Dude... he obviously listened to it.

Ask someone to sing a Gummy Bears song... Gummy Bears to the Rescue!...

... come on if that's not abuse I don't know what is!

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1820 - 2014-03-26 03:59:04 UTC
Teamspeak EULA

11. PROHIBITED CONDUCT

You represent and warrant that you will not violate any of the terms and conditions set forth in this Agreement and that:

You will not use TeamSpeak software to engage in or allow others to engage in any illegal activity.



And my job is done.