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Jayem See
Perkone
Caldari State
#1101 - 2014-03-25 22:30:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Jayem See
Forum Clone 77777 wrote:
Jayem See wrote:

Having done that. Why continue for an hour and a half , knowing that someone was increasingly distressed., to the point it evidently reached?

I do find it slightly disturbing that people think it is OK to push it to this extent.

Not one person has answered that question out of the usual folks that are worried about Eve's philosophy. "The game must not be diluted" is not an excuse for what went on here.


Well, having someone spaz out on teamspeak can be pretty funny, this is not the first of such recordings either, its absolutely nothing new, and usually stuff like this is laughed at.

A better question is, if this guy was in such stress over this teamspeak session, why didnt he just leave? I mean, if someone was annoying me on teamspeak, Id just leave, hell, you can even just mute/ignore them.


I argued this with Dave Stark - not everybody is in the same place as you and me. There has to be some responsibility on the protaganists part. In this case a lot of people felt that it went too far.

I am one of them. Have you seriously never done something and then wished you had done it differently? I am sure this guy is in the same boat.

Aaaaaaand relax.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#1102 - 2014-03-25 22:30:39 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:


Singing contest?

I don't think your internet is working if what you got directed to was a singing contest because that sure isn't what I got out of it.

Mr Epeen Cool
There was some reading at the start, but the rest was about singing. They ended up agreeing to 2 songs, but he backed out as he did not want to sing about gay things. I'm sure he would have been equally against singing about other races, but he may have been fine with song about violence and murder. Who knows?

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1103 - 2014-03-25 22:30:44 UTC
Forum Clone 77777 wrote:
Jayem See wrote:

Having done that. Why continue for an hour and a half , knowing that someone was increasingly distressed., to the point it evidently reached?

I do find it slightly disturbing that people think it is OK to push it to this extent.

Not one person has answered that question out of the usual folks that are worried about Eve's philosophy. "The game must not be diluted" is not an excuse for what went on here.


Well, having someone spaz out on teamspeak can be pretty funny, this is not the first of such recordings either, its absolutely nothing new, and usually stuff like this is laughed at.

A better question is, if this guy was in such stress over this teamspeak session, why didnt he just leave? I mean, if someone was annoying me on teamspeak, Id just leave, hell, you can even just mute/ignore them.


Sohkar aside, this is still my all time favorite Eve video game freak out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf-FUmR4DMA

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#1104 - 2014-03-25 22:30:46 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
I was half expecting this thread to be locked by now.

Then a "do not talk about this again or you'll get banned" warning from CCP *Insert name here*


i think this thread is a great way to judge how many people would love themepark eve vs those of us that came explicitly not to be handheld.


*me rasies hand
But just because I raised my hand doesn't mean I want you to hold it . Big smile

I see it as people not having a sense of personal responsibility, and if they can't hold themselves accountable, they have a hard time doing it also for someone else who identifies as a 'victim'. We see it all day every day in real life.

This is, it's not supposed to be that way in a game like EVE online. People like those described above you would think would be in a themepark game with such strict rules that they ban 'griefers' accounts if they as so much as look like they are trolling a forum (and some do that, in game bans for out of game/forum infractions).

EVE has always had a ....very liberal view of what griefing is and everyone should know that, yet things like this (the event itself, and the threadnaught it spawned) take some of them by surprise, because somehow they have surpressed any knowledge they might have had of what kind of game EVE online has.

Personally, I like EVE and it's community as is even though I don't partake in the more notorious aspects. The danger these griefers, scammer and gankers represent is exactly what is fun about EVE to me, because it sure as hell isn't saving that damn Damsel for the 600,437th time...
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#1105 - 2014-03-25 22:30:55 UTC
Xander Delacroix wrote:
Some people, mostly those grasping at straws to defend the erstwhile E1, are using some of that verbal diatribe to justify everything E1 did. They're misguided at best, complicit at worst.


Actually...no

As the caller is a member of my Alliance, the fact he resorted to racist slurs and death threats is of importance

Some of us have a zero tolerance policy on that kind of thing

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#1106 - 2014-03-25 22:31:11 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Csill Es wrote:
CCP has an unique opportunity to distance themselves from these bottom feeders - Erotica1 and cohorts -, but only if they act fast.


If they do anything to Erotica then they will also have to take action against this "victim" as what they said was far worse.


No.

They really don't have to do anything they don't want. They make the rules, not you.

Mr Epeen Cool
Snupe Doggur
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1107 - 2014-03-25 22:31:15 UTC
Csill Es wrote:
CCP has an unique opportunity to distance themselves from these bottom feeders - Erotica1 and cohorts -, but only if they act fast.
They really only need to act well in advance of some real-life tragedy related to the game. There is time for CCP to decide to ally with Erotica 1 (and there's a great marketing slogan right there) or to make it clear that they will not allow their game to be used as a cyberbullying tool.

That much is very simple in this situation.
Toshiro Ozuwara
Perkone
#1108 - 2014-03-25 22:31:16 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Milgram Experiment


This. It is dangerously easy to manipulate others.

It didn't take long to locate the tracking beacon, deep inside the quarters for sleepin' They thought they could get away Not today, it's not the way that this kid plays
Electric M0nk
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1109 - 2014-03-25 22:31:56 UTC
The audio recording is horrible. I challenge anyone who finds this behavior acceptable to play the recording to your mom, or your wife, and then proudly say to that person, "I support this behavior."

CCP has provided Erotica1 with a soapbox, that soapbox needs to be removed. I leave the 'how' to CCP.

I believe for you.
Toshiro Ozuwara
Perkone
#1110 - 2014-03-25 22:32:21 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
As the caller is a member of my Alliance, the fact he resorted to racist slurs and death threats is of importance

Some of us have a zero tolerance policy on that kind of thing

It's out of game [sic] so cool your jammies sweetie.

It didn't take long to locate the tracking beacon, deep inside the quarters for sleepin' They thought they could get away Not today, it's not the way that this kid plays
Jill Chastot
WE FORM BL0B Inc.
Goonswarm Federation
#1111 - 2014-03-25 22:32:45 UTC
This seems to come down to the fact that people are thinking Ero is doing this with malice. that observation is for everyone to make.

What if he actually is just as socially impaired as others and has seen other people singing and dancing as being okay (see CCP Garg) and is just replicating it?

You can't quite judge off an off experience.

Thaaaaaattt said, it seems this is not a one off. so i would argue this case is different because of malicious intent. (soundcloud? hello?) Posting recordings to MB?

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=298596&find=unread OATHS wants you. Come to the WH "Safety in eve is the greatest fallacy you will ever encounter. Once you accept this you will truely enjoy this game."
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#1112 - 2014-03-25 22:33:17 UTC
Electric M0nk wrote:
The audio recording is horrible. I challenge anyone who finds this behavior acceptable to play the recording to your mom, or your wife, and then proudly say to that person, "I support this behavior."

CCP has provided Erotica1 with a soapbox, that soapbox needs to be removed. I leave the 'how' to CCP.



Why women specifically?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Xander Delacroix
Doomheim
#1113 - 2014-03-25 22:34:07 UTC
Snupe Doggur wrote:
Csill Es wrote:
CCP has an unique opportunity to distance themselves from these bottom feeders - Erotica1 and cohorts -, but only if they act fast.
They really only need to act well in advance of some real-life tragedy related to the game. There is time for CCP to decide to ally with Erotica 1 (and there's a great marketing slogan right there) or to make it clear that they will not allow their game to be used as a cyberbullying tool.

That much is very simple in this situation.


This, oh so much this.
Dave Stark
#1114 - 2014-03-25 22:34:34 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Csill Es wrote:
CCP has an unique opportunity to distance themselves from these bottom feeders - Erotica1 and cohorts -, but only if they act fast.


If they do anything to Erotica then they will also have to take action against this "victim" as what they said was far worse.


No.

They really don't have to do anything they don't want. They make the rules, not you.

Mr Epeen Cool


they do make the rules, people are fine with that.

when they pick and choose when they do and don't want to enforce the rules, and do it in a fashion that exempts certain people... that's going to cause upset.

rules are applied to everyone, that's the point of rules, to ensure everyone is on a level playing field.
Salvos Rhoska
#1115 - 2014-03-25 22:34:42 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Actually you can, it's an incite to riot and public order offence.

Laughing and applauding is outlawed in your country?

Thats fked up, dude.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Csill Es
Doomheim
#1116 - 2014-03-25 22:34:45 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
[quote=Xander Delacroix]
If CCP don't do anything about this, then they are condoning this kind of behavior as being acceptable.


+1
Electric M0nk
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1117 - 2014-03-25 22:34:49 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Electric M0nk wrote:
The audio recording is horrible. I challenge anyone who finds this behavior acceptable to play the recording to your mom, or your wife, and then proudly say to that person, "I support this behavior."

CCP has provided Erotica1 with a soapbox, that soapbox needs to be removed. I leave the 'how' to CCP.



Why women specifically?



Fair. I should have chosen more gender neutral language.

I believe for you.
Snupe Doggur
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1118 - 2014-03-25 22:35:06 UTC
Electric M0nk wrote:
...CCP has provided Erotica1 with a soapbox, that soapbox needs to be removed. I leave the 'how' to CCP.
Yep. CCP has no obligation to satisfy me with ban-porn, but I need to hear someday soon about how they are going to cease being a dating service for cyberbullies.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#1119 - 2014-03-25 22:35:09 UTC
Electric M0nk wrote:
The audio recording is horrible. I challenge anyone who finds this behavior acceptable to play the recording to your mom, or your wife, and then proudly say to that person, "I support this behavior."

CCP has provided Erotica1 with a soapbox, that soapbox needs to be removed. I leave the 'how' to CCP.

So what about the RL death threats and racism?

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#1120 - 2014-03-25 22:35:11 UTC
Electric M0nk wrote:
The audio recording is horrible. I challenge anyone who finds this behavior acceptable to play the recording to your mom, or your wife, and then proudly say to that person, "I support this behavior."

CCP has provided Erotica1 with a soapbox, that soapbox needs to be removed. I leave the 'how' to CCP.



My wife would call the screaming guy a racist {insert word for female body part that would get me banned from here} and be done with it. Hell, I will play some of it for here when she gets off work just to confirm.