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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#7541 - 2014-03-28 11:55:10 UTC  |  Edited by: TheGunslinger42
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Meanwhile, you've been advocating real life violence against users for their conduct in (or related to) a video game.


Nope :)

But seriously, TS is not some magical removed from the world lawless wild west where you can do anything your sadistic little heart requires. All action carries responsibility and consequences.

Ask a guy to sing for his ship? Fine.
2-6hrs of it? Wtf is wrong with you?

And btw, if you don't like any of this, you are free to leave at any time :)
Nobody is forcing you to stay, right?

(and yes, emoticons added to intentionally aggravate. is it working? well, you can leave! :)


So you agree that asking someone to sing songs to get items in a video game is fine? That's a start, we're making progress :)

What makes you think continuing the song requests for two hours creates a breach of the EULA/TOS, or a violation of actual real life laws? Can you cite anything for that implication? You seem to have personally drawn a line at the 2h mark, but I see no such line in the EULA/TOS, or in any real laws. Can you point to any? No?

Also, I don't know what you're trying to achieve by echoing the "you are free to leave" stuff back at us. You're kind of defeating your own point by saying that I am free to leave this thread the same way as contestants are free to leave the bonus room. You're acknowledging just how trivial it is. At any rate, I know I'm free to leave this thread, and it's why I'm perfectly content and happy - neither angry, or upset, or anything else. I know it's trivial - and so do you, evidently.

I can teach you how not trash your own arguments if you like, pm me
Talia Prime
Imperial Militia
#7542 - 2014-03-28 11:56:21 UTC
What gets me about this whole thing, is that Riptard posted this up without the consent of the guy involved. Kobol then spread it all over the forums. So between the 2 of them, they have made sure the majoirty of the EvE community know about it and further embarrassed Sohkar. The guy who has even requested that the whole thing be dropped. Fair play to him for having the balls to speak up.

Wtf is wrong with you moral high grounders that what you are trying to say is so important that you can treat the victim with such disdain. Seriously
Salvos Rhoska
#7543 - 2014-03-28 11:56:42 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
TLDR


Go ahead and leave if you don't like it :)

Nobody is stopping you.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Lady Areola Fappington
#7544 - 2014-03-28 11:57:24 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:

But seriously, TS is not some magical removed from the world lawless wild west where you can do anything your sadistic little heart requires. All action carries responsibility and consequences.


Oh but it is. Eve doubly so my brother

And I choose to disagree regarding consequences



Ramona, I think the ultimate issue here is, some people just don't know how to separate Eve from anything else in life. Eve is their life, so the EULA/ToS binds all.

Send a message via e-mail mentioning EVE=falls under ToS.
Facebook post about EVE=still bound by EULA
Hop on TS and have an EVE convo=better follow those rules or they'll gitcha!

The concept of "I have left CCPs sphere of influence" utterly eludes them.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#7545 - 2014-03-28 11:57:34 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:


See, thats exactly what I mean.

You've lost touch with reality a bit there. All of this exists and happens within the wider frame of reference of the real world.
If you can't distinguish where the boundaries of the game end, as a subset of that wider world, and the real world rules, you might want to spend a little time away from your PC for a change.


Its extremely simple

In the real world when I do it, its consensual

Everywhere else I choose when I enjoy myself

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#7546 - 2014-03-28 11:58:55 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:

But seriously, TS is not some magical removed from the world lawless wild west where you can do anything your sadistic little heart requires. All action carries responsibility and consequences.


Oh but it is. Eve doubly so my brother

And I choose to disagree regarding consequences



Ramona, I think the ultimate issue here is, some people just don't know how to separate Eve from anything else in life. Eve is their life, so the EULA/ToS binds all.

Send a message via e-mail mentioning EVE=falls under ToS.
Facebook post about EVE=still bound by EULA
Hop on TS and have an EVE convo=better follow those rules or they'll gitcha!

The concept of "I have left CCPs sphere of influence" utterly eludes them.


That is why the folk such as he should never be allowed to experience the thrill of anything but the yoke and the leash

They cannot be trusted to enjoy what the world truely offers.

The meek cannot be allowed to inherit.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Alana Charen-Teng
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#7547 - 2014-03-28 12:00:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Alana Charen-Teng
How many pages are we up to? *crosses fingers for 400*

I listened to the sohkar recording again - the good parts toward the end. It's more than a thigh-slapper, it's one of those things where you laugh so hard your belly starts aching and tears stream down your face.

"If you could just take a step back... take a deep breath... maybe get a glass of water..."

Priceless!

Also, does this Salvos guy actually do anything *other* than forum-warrior? He already accounts for more than 5% of all posts in this threadnought.

Speaking of which, let's keep it going strong.

May this thread never die.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#7548 - 2014-03-28 12:00:11 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
TLDR


Go ahead and leave if you don't like it :)

Nobody is stopping you.


Thanks for the concern, though I'm quite content - as I said in my post :)
Anomaly One
Doomheim
#7549 - 2014-03-28 12:00:29 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:

But seriously, TS is not some magical removed from the world lawless wild west where you can do anything your sadistic little heart requires. All action carries responsibility and consequences.


Oh but it is. Eve doubly so my brother

And I choose to disagree regarding consequences



Ramona, I think the ultimate issue here is, some people just don't know how to separate Eve from anything else in life. Eve is their life, so the EULA/ToS binds all.

Send a message via e-mail mentioning EVE=falls under ToS.
Facebook post about EVE=still bound by EULA
Hop on TS and have an EVE convo=better follow those rules or they'll gitcha!

The concept of "I have left CCPs sphere of influence" utterly eludes them.


so if I shat a turd does CCP have copyright claims ?

Psychotic Monk for CSM9 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 you want content in highsec? vote Monk
Lady Areola Fappington
#7550 - 2014-03-28 12:01:24 UTC
Anomaly One wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:

But seriously, TS is not some magical removed from the world lawless wild west where you can do anything your sadistic little heart requires. All action carries responsibility and consequences.


Oh but it is. Eve doubly so my brother

And I choose to disagree regarding consequences



Ramona, I think the ultimate issue here is, some people just don't know how to separate Eve from anything else in life. Eve is their life, so the EULA/ToS binds all.

Send a message via e-mail mentioning EVE=falls under ToS.
Facebook post about EVE=still bound by EULA
Hop on TS and have an EVE convo=better follow those rules or they'll gitcha!

The concept of "I have left CCPs sphere of influence" utterly eludes them.


so if I shat a turd does CCP have copyright claims ?



Only if it looks like a Rev.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#7551 - 2014-03-28 12:01:25 UTC
Talia Prime wrote:
What gets me about this whole thing, is that Riptard posted this up without the consent of the guy involved. Kobol then spread it all over the forums. So between the 2 of them, they have made sure the majoirty of the EvE community know about it and further embarrassed Sohkar. The guy who has even requested that the whole thing be dropped. Fair play to him for having the balls to speak up.

Wtf is wrong with you moral high grounders that what you are trying to say is so important that you can treat the victim with such disdain. Seriously


They don't give an damn about Sohkar and never have. This is all simply an excuse to form a witchhunt against a well known player they do not like.
embrel
BamBam Inc.
#7552 - 2014-03-28 12:04:47 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
God


Hmm?

rather missing the point here arnt we

“Does CCP want goodness or the choice of goodness? Is a nerd who chooses to be bad perhaps in some way better than a carebear who has the good imposed upon him?”
―me, this ******** thread


huh, I guess CCP doesn't care about goodness, but about cashflows.
(same as what initially was there in place of CCP)
h4kun4
Banana-Republic.
Shadow Cartel
#7553 - 2014-03-28 12:04:50 UTC  |  Edited by: h4kun4
The recording seems to me like he needs to have a dancing bear and pulling the chain through its nose and having trouble to not laugh about its suffering, well thats pretty sad and on the bottom of social behaviour...

one the one hand i can only shake my head and sigh about the willingness with which the guy did all the steps one by one, even though captain obvious slapped his face, but i can't just understand how you can find this funny in any way possible.
Prince Kobol
#7554 - 2014-03-28 12:05:00 UTC
Talia Prime wrote:
What gets me about this whole thing, is that Riptard posted this up without the consent of the guy involved. Kobol then spread it all over the forums. So between the 2 of them, they have made sure the majoirty of the EvE community know about it and further embarrassed Sohkar. The guy who has even requested that the whole thing be dropped. Fair play to him for having the balls to speak up.

Wtf is wrong with you moral high grounders that what you are trying to say is so important that you can treat the victim with such disdain. Seriously


Can't speak for Riptard but the only thing I have ever mentioned about Sohkar is that if E1 is banned then Sohkar should also receive some kind of ban for the language and insults he used.

Also it is not just about Sohkar but the whole concept of using our game as a vehicle to for the sole purpose fullfilling a persons need to satisfy their sick pleasure of humiliating people.

To actively trying to circumnavigate the rules put in place to protect people from humiliation and harassment in game, taking out of game so that they can claim if they are every questioned that "it was out of game so you can't do anything".

Outside of Eve the perception of many gamers is that we are all like E1 and applaud these kinds of things, we are a community where anything goes and be damned of the consequences, a bunch of self serving psychopaths.

I disagree with this assessment and believe we are the best gaming community in the world and why should we as a community let people like E1 enhance the negative views that many people have of all of us.
Alana Charen-Teng
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#7555 - 2014-03-28 12:07:01 UTC
h4kun4 wrote:
The recording seems to me like he needs to have a dancing bear and pulling the chain through its nose and having trouble to not laugh about its suffering, well thats pretty sad and on the bottom of social behaviour...

one the one hand i can only shake my head and sigh about the willingness with which the guy did all the steps one by one, even though captain obvious slapped his face, but i can't just understand how you can find this funny in any way possible.

Animal abuse is bad mmk?

But your equating the two is kinda amusing.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7556 - 2014-03-28 12:08:10 UTC
embrel wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
God


Hmm?

rather missing the point here arnt we

“Does CCP want goodness or the choice of goodness? Is a nerd who chooses to be bad perhaps in some way better than a carebear who has the good imposed upon him?”
―me, this ******** thread


huh, I guess CCP doesn't care about goodness, but about cashflows.
(same as what initially was there in place of CCP)


Well, to be fair, they don't care about your restrictive and subjective version of 'goodness' any more than rational people care about the restrictive and subjective versions of 'goodness' that theists demand.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#7557 - 2014-03-28 12:09:27 UTC
embrel wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
God


Hmm?

rather missing the point here arnt we

“Does CCP want goodness or the choice of goodness? Is a nerd who chooses to be bad perhaps in some way better than a carebear who has the good imposed upon him?”
―me, this ******** thread


huh, I guess CCP doesn't care about goodness, but about cashflows.
(same as what initially was there in place of CCP)

good/bad are concepts anathema to a sandbox.
really, that one is easy.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

=]|[=
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7558 - 2014-03-28 12:10:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Prince Kobol wrote:
Talia Prime wrote:
What gets me about this whole thing, is that Riptard posted this up without the consent of the guy involved. Kobol then spread it all over the forums. So between the 2 of them, they have made sure the majoirty of the EvE community know about it and further embarrassed Sohkar. The guy who has even requested that the whole thing be dropped. Fair play to him for having the balls to speak up.

Wtf is wrong with you moral high grounders that what you are trying to say is so important that you can treat the victim with such disdain. Seriously


To actively trying to circumnavigate the rules put in place to protect people from humiliation and harassment in game, taking out of game so that they can claim if they are every questioned that "it was out of game so you can't do anything".



Why don't you ask CCP Gargant about 'harassment and humiliation' in game.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Myriad Blaze
Common Sense Ltd
Nulli Secunda
#7559 - 2014-03-28 12:11:09 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
So have you, an officer of the court, reported this incident that constitutes torture to the authorities yet?

I have not claimed to be an officer of any court.
I have forwarded my view, as outlined in the post linked in my sig, to some authorities though, yes.

And as someone who used to work for such an authority I can tell you what happens next.
You read the claims - then you groan and curse the person for filing such crap, because you have enough serious work to do ... like catching the bad guys and bringing them to jail for example (and by this I mean tons of paperwork). Then you put a reference number on it - because you have to - check if there's reasonable suspicion - in this case obviously not - and put it in the files. And usually you have too much to do, so you ignore that the initial claim might qualify for reasonable suspicion with regard to malicious prosecution. But usually isn't always and if there's someone who is persistant in his false claims you might do something about it.
Alpharic Moregil
Doomheim
#7560 - 2014-03-28 12:11:14 UTC
Hey guys, play any EvE today? Its pretty fun.Big smile Maybe go back to that and have fun instead of this no-one wins argument Cool

Chur

Al