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Mario Putzo
#6741 - 2014-03-28 01:08:12 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
[So really, the people posting in this thread don't even represent 0.5% of the EVE population.


Yes. A tiny representation. Just imagine how many more disprove of what you are doing in Bonus Room.
The more people know about what youve been up to, the more will espress their condemnation of it, and thats quite an accomplishment in as hardened a dommunity as this.

This is already to my knowledge the fastest growing and largest thread this board has ever seen.

And who are in the top posters? Me, vs your associates who are invested in Erotica1s activities.

If you have to run as much damage control and interception as you poor guys are, you know you are in the ****** end of the stick.


Jeez dude you have as many posts as the next 3 people combined. How much do you have invested in this? Let me guess around 4B in assets and 2 hours of your life?
Tor Norman
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6742 - 2014-03-28 01:08:40 UTC
Chibs Telford wrote:
First, "it's not torture because he could leave at any time.' Despite several posts and references to case studies in which roughly 8 out of 10 people in similar situations could not bring themselves to walk away from a situation they knew to be untenable, you still insist on defending this position? (look up "Prior Investment Trap" or read Scott Plous - the Psychology of Judgment and Decision Making Investment Traps) Arguements that it wasn't turture because he wasn't hung from the ceiling or had fingers removed are equally ludicrous. The type or degree of torture does not define torture, merely its severity.

Tor Norman wrote:
For those of you just joining us and are a little confused where this threadnaught came from, allow me to explain the cycle of arguments that have been repeating until now.

Erotica 1 is mean and should be permabanned.
Scamming people isn't against the game's rules.
We're not discussing the scams, they're fine. We don't like the way he tortures his mark for hours.
His mark can leave the conversation at any time they choose.
But if he leaves, he forfeits all his space cash.
He's forfeiting his space cash because he got scammed. Scamming people isn't against the game's rules.
We're not discussing the scams, they're fine. We don't like the way he tortures his mark for hours.
His mark can leave the conversation at any time they choose.
But if he leaves, he forfeits all his space cash.

As of this writing, the cyclical argument has entered its 206th iteration. So far, nobody seems to have caught on.

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For the ISK and the yarr!
Salvos Rhoska
#6743 - 2014-03-28 01:09:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Mario Putzo wrote:
How much do you have invested in this?


Only my opinion.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Genseric Tollaris
Hard Cog Industry
#6744 - 2014-03-28 01:10:00 UTC
Chibs Telford wrote:
Genseric Tollaris wrote:
Chibs Telford wrote:
I have followed this affront to common decency across several forums, including this 300+ page threadnaught, and I felt it necessary to add my voice to the din, because to do nothing would make me just as guilty as those who commited this atrocity


Stopped reading there. I'm mean really, it's an atrocity now?

The next few decades in the west are going to be really entertaining, or horrifying depending on your perspective.


Couldn't comment on the post so, attacked the person posting. That's about what I expected.


Nothing you've said is new, and nothing I have to say in response is new, so making a considerate comment on it would be as pointless as continuing to read this train wreck of a thread.
Mario Putzo
#6745 - 2014-03-28 01:10:09 UTC
I now have received 1 like in this thread for every page this thread has had.

Op Success.
H aVo K
Tycheon Industries
#6746 - 2014-03-28 01:11:11 UTC
Chibs Telford wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Chibs Telford wrote:
~snip~


It's not torture because it fits no actual definition of torture.


tor·ture [tawr-cher]
noun
1. the act of inflicting excruciating pain, as punishment or revenge, as a means of getting a confession or information, or for sheer cruelty.
2. a method of inflicting such pain.
3. Often, tortures. the pain or suffering caused or undergone.
4. extreme anguish of body or mind; agony.
5. a cause of severe pain or anguish.

I call your attention to numbers 2, 4 and 5


http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2340

As used in this chapter—
(1) “torture” means an act committed by a person acting under the color of law specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering (other than pain or suffering incidental to lawful sanctions) upon another person within his custody or physical control;

I call your attention to the bolded and underlined portion of the text.

We've already established that it wasn't torture. Please choose another catchy and polarizing word, which has already had 20+ pages written about it, and try again.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#6747 - 2014-03-28 01:11:29 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
I now have received 1 like in this thread for every page this thread has had.

Op Success.


Tch, pussy. I'm well above 450.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#6748 - 2014-03-28 01:13:56 UTC
Chibs Telford wrote:
How much is too much. Ask yourself, how far does it have to go before something should be done? The game is open for 13 and up. What if it were a child? What if that child snapped and killed himself? Would you finally find your conscience then?

This thread is big enough just dealing with the "what is" let alone dealing also with the "what if".

However from my own perspective, if we were dealing with something different, then the discussion would also be different, as would the divide of people.
Mario Putzo
#6749 - 2014-03-28 01:14:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Mario Putzo
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
[Jeez dude you have as many posts as the next 3 people combined. How much do you have invested in this? Let me guess around 4B in assets and 2 hours of your life?


Nope. Only my opinion.


Which one is that?

The one where it is against the EULA?
The one where it is against US Law?
The one where Amnesty International should get involved?
The one where you would applaud Erotica being kicked?
The one where you are content with murder?
The one where you would be happy to read about Erotica being assaulted in Iceland?
The one where being able to leave a conversation is irrelevant?
The one where I have slandered your name?
The one where I have slandered Ripard Teg?
The one where you are going to tell CCP on everyone?
The one where you feel you are in the majority?
The one where Erotica 1 is a big fat meany because Ripards blog said so?

I am sure there are another dozen opinions you have had. I wonder which one will you be trying to cram down everyones throat tomorrow?
Prt Scr
569th Freelancers
#6750 - 2014-03-28 01:14:37 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
I now have received 1 like in this thread for every page this thread has had.

Op Success.


Tch, *****. I'm well above 450.

No one likes me, but then I am a fat flatulent ***** ******* ******* ****

uɐıssnɹ pɐǝɹ ʇ,uɐɔ ı ʇnq ʎɹɹos ɯ,ı
KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#6751 - 2014-03-28 01:15:26 UTC
Out of curiousity, if we added a disclaimer that said:

*If you are unable to control your ****, and act like a sane, composed human being, you must disclose such and forfeit your isk that led to your Bonus Round victory. Have a nice day!!!

Would this work?

Big smile

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.
Salvos Rhoska
#6752 - 2014-03-28 01:15:51 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Chibs Telford wrote:
How much is too much. Ask yourself, how far does it have to go before something should be done? The game is open for 13 and up. What if it were a child? What if that child snapped and killed himself? Would you finally find your conscience then?

This thread is big enough just dealing with the "what is" let alone dealing also with the "what if".

However from my own perspective, if we were dealing with something different, then the discussion would also be different, as would the divide of people.


Well, lets just wait around till Erotica1 and associates do this to a 13yr old then, shall we?

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Korhaka Mirunas
Doomheim
#6753 - 2014-03-28 01:15:51 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Its a small amount of vested individuals running a huge amount of damage control and interference vs a much larger dissenting population. If there where not so many people against what is happening in the Bonus Room, that wouldnt be necessary


'Much larger' please show where you are getting these numbers, as not even 500 people have posted here. Some majority you got there in a game with often up to 50,000 online players at once. 0.2% of players have posted here - which I would agree is an achievement to get so many, it doesn't necessarily represent the community as a whole.

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#6754 - 2014-03-28 01:16:51 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
How much do you have invested in this?


Only my opinion.


So not much then?

Please read that in a high squeaky, quiet voice. It's just a joke. I know you have a strong view on this and the discussion values your input even if we don't show it all the time.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#6755 - 2014-03-28 01:18:44 UTC
H aVo K wrote:
Chibs Telford wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Chibs Telford wrote:
~snip~


It's not torture because it fits no actual definition of torture.


tor·ture [tawr-cher]
noun
1. the act of inflicting excruciating pain, as punishment or revenge, as a means of getting a confession or information, or for sheer cruelty.
2. a method of inflicting such pain.
3. Often, tortures. the pain or suffering caused or undergone.
4. extreme anguish of body or mind; agony.
5. a cause of severe pain or anguish.

I call your attention to numbers 2, 4 and 5


http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2340

As used in this chapter—
(1) “torture” means an act committed by a person acting under the color of law specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering (other than pain or suffering incidental to lawful sanctions) upon another person within his custody or physical control;

I call your attention to the bolded and underlined portion of the text.

We've already established that it wasn't torture. Please choose another catchy and polarizing word, which has already had 20+ pages written about it, and try again.


I call your attention to "acting under the color of law" and maybe look that phrase up.

After you've looked it up, please write the meaning on your chest in ketchup and post a picture.

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Bloodmyst Ranwar
Menace of Morons
#6756 - 2014-03-28 01:18:51 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
[quote=Bloodmyst Ranwar]
The problem here is I don't have to. My playstyle is covered the EULA. Think about it for a little while... EVE Online has existed for 10 years, more or less unchanged in regards to CCP's attitude towards scamming and ganking.

And now here you and your ilk come... thinking they're going to change things with the "sword of moral authority".

Um. Question for you to ponder: Do you think CCP has made some oversight for the past 10 years?

Yeah...


It seems apparent making fun of someone with a speech impediment (bullying) is all candy and roses for you.

And yes, I really do hope me and my ilk changes things with our "sword of moral authority."

Do you think it's in CCP's best interest for the safety and welfare of any effects this game has on their player base? I can tell you right now, I'd be shocked if it wasn't. I don't think CCP would be happy to see the game they have been working on for over 10 years is now being used as a platform for such behavior.

Just ban Eroticas account and give your official response already CPP. The sooner, the better.
Salvos Rhoska
#6757 - 2014-03-28 01:19:09 UTC
Korhaka Mirunas wrote:
0.2% of players have posted here - which I would agree is an achievement to get so many, it doesn't necessarily represent the community as a whole.

Im quite confident most EVE players would agree Erotica1 and associates took this too far.

You can disagree with that speculation, but it is what I think. I also think the more people hear about this, the better.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Mario Putzo
#6758 - 2014-03-28 01:19:14 UTC
Korhaka Mirunas wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Its a small amount of vested individuals running a huge amount of damage control and interference vs a much larger dissenting population. If there where not so many people against what is happening in the Bonus Room, that wouldnt be necessary


'Much larger' please show where you are getting these numbers, as not even 500 people have posted here. Some majority you got there in a game with often up to 50,000 online players at once. 0.2% of players have posted here - which I would agree is an achievement to get so many, it doesn't necessarily represent the community as a whole.


Please don't get him started on representation. It took us a whole afternoon to get him to understand how CSM representation worked.
KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#6759 - 2014-03-28 01:19:37 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:


Jeez dude you have as many posts as the next 3 people combined. How much do you have invested in this? Let me guess around 4B in assets and 2 hours of your life?



Lol.

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#6760 - 2014-03-28 01:20:59 UTC
Tor Norman wrote:
Erotica 1 is mean and should be permabanned.
Scamming people isn't against the game's rules.
We're not discussing the scams, they're fine. We don't like the way he tortures his mark for hours.
His mark can leave the conversation at any time they choose.
But if he leaves, he forfeits all his space cash.
He's forfeiting his space cash because he got scammed. Scamming people isn't against the game's rules.
We're not discussing the scams, they're fine. We don't like the way he tortures his mark for hours.
His mark can leave the conversation at any time they choose.
But if he leaves, he forfeits all his space cash.


If the mark leaves, they forfeit hope and dignity. They've already forfeited their space cash and assets within the first few minutes of The Bonus Room. The rest of the time in the bonus room is just Erotica 1 and his minions stripping the mark of dignity while leading them on with the promise of hope.

"What are you going to do with your winnings?" "Have faith!" False hope for the purpose of stringing the victim along for more degradation and humiliation.

The mockingly polite behaviour of Erotica 1 is painful to listen to. The guy is just plain creepy.

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