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Korhaka Mirunas
Doomheim
#6661 - 2014-03-28 00:20:05 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Korhaka Mirunas wrote:
Why does it make any difference if you can actually 'win' or not in the bonus room? If so its a gameshow, if not its a scam, either way its not a reason to ban someone from the game.


Even if you can never ever win (which is demonstrably false, others have won before)... even in that worst case scenario, it would only mean that the bonus room is a scam.

And scams are not just within the rules of EVE, but a deliberate intended feature.



The scam is over 5 minutes into the two hour recording. Justify the rest of the recording.

I dare you.

Mr Epeen Cool



Justify it? Sure, as far as I see there is no law they are breaking. DONE. Does it upset some peoples fragile feelings? Maybe, but that doesn't mean action needs to be taken against Erotica.

And please don't go into this BS of 'they tortured them in the bonus room! it was so horrible' if it was actually torture something would have been done by now about it, you have to remember this happened weeks ago.

We need T3 Shuttles!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiR5Q72kT1U
Salvos Rhoska
#6662 - 2014-03-28 00:20:11 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Such as wishing physical harm on Erotica 1? Or are you over that phase of the temper tantrum?


I have never and do not wish physical harm on Erotica1 :)

I state that here and now, unequivocably, sincerely.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Mario Putzo
#6663 - 2014-03-28 00:21:49 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
Such as wishing physical harm on Erotica 1? Or are you over that phase of the temper tantrum?


I have never and do not wish physical harm on Erotica1 :)

I state that here and now, unequivocably, sincerely.


Page 102-104, and I think somewhere around page 215-220.

We went over this yesterday before you left the forum in a huff. Remember you were going to tattletale on me, then never posted again?
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#6664 - 2014-03-28 00:21:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Erotica 1
PinkPanter wrote:
Imryn Xaran wrote:
Brusanan wrote:
For anyone who thinks the US government should be running bonus rounds in Guantanamo Bay, Erotica 1 himself will be finishing up his own bonus round tonight at 9:30 PM EST. It will be live streamed. He will read The Code. He will sing. We will take his stuff and then pod him repeatedly.

It will be horrible. I don't think Erotica will be able to live with himself afterwards, but I'm a psychopath so who cares?


So he's shifting all his stuff ahead of the banhammer? Good to know - are you taking notes CCP?


Probably already using diff CC's to register new accounts and slowly transfer assets and isk back when all calms and proceed to buy new toon.


As a matter of principle I never buy, sell, or otherwise trade characters. Every character is named and piloted by me solely.

Due to a loose lid and funny comments in this thread earlier, I did spill 24 ounces of hot chocolate in my lap by mistake. Luckily, it had cooled down to a lukewarm temperature, so I did not suffer anything approaching torture, unless you count being out in public and being embarrassed because it looked like I pissed all over my pants after soaking it up with napkins. Karma's a ***** I guess.

Another comment made me choke on my cigarette smoke I was laughing so hard.

"Eroxxed!"

"***** forks!"

*edited so last word above would not get past language filter.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#6665 - 2014-03-28 00:22:31 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Korhaka Mirunas wrote:
Why does it make any difference if you can actually 'win' or not in the bonus room? If so its a gameshow, if not its a scam, either way its not a reason to ban someone from the game.


Even if you can never ever win (which is demonstrably false, others have won before)... even in that worst case scenario, it would only mean that the bonus room is a scam.

And scams are not just within the rules of EVE, but a deliberate intended feature.



The scam is over 5 minutes into the two hour recording. Justify the rest of the recording.

I dare you.

Mr Epeen Cool


Well, for a start, the chance to win 4x the isk put in is what the entire rest of the recording is about. Numerous people actually have won it before you know.

I think another part of the bonus room is to have some silly fun - for both the operators and the contestants. Sing some silly songs, etc. Those kinds of silly things are stuff that I've witnessed and taken part in on numerous occasions during other aspects of the game - such as a funny way to make up for a mistake in fleet like jumping a gate early, or a way to pass the time while waiting for something to happen, or whatever. It's just silly fun.

Now I have a dare for you:justify Sokhar's racist remarks and threats of real life violence
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#6666 - 2014-03-28 00:22:34 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
Such as wishing physical harm on Erotica 1? Or are you over that phase of the temper tantrum?


I have never and do not wish physical harm on Erotica1 :)

I state that here and now, unequivocably, sincerely.


You've done that about a dozen times in the first 100 pages of the thread.

Hell, the first time you were snidely saying something to the effect of: "maybe I'll read about him getting murdered in a newspaper".

I don't know how much doublethink you can cram into your head, but you might want to contact Guinness, because you may have the world record.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Korhaka Mirunas
Doomheim
#6667 - 2014-03-28 00:26:19 UTC
I am becoming curious as to how/if CCP will respond to all of this, due to the time being taken I am rather confident a perma-ban is not going to be the result. Even temp ban I would think is unlikely. CCP should not have to ban someone simply because some in the community dislike them, otherwise you could just get any scammer publicly hated enough to justify a ban.

We need T3 Shuttles!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiR5Q72kT1U
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#6668 - 2014-03-28 00:26:23 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
I have never and do not wish physical harm on Erotica1 :)

I state that here and now, unequivocably, sincerely.


And you've been consistent on that throughout the thread. No one can disagree with that.

You've also been consistent with the view that if someone else physically harmed the person behind Erotica 1, you would laugh and applaud at seeing that.

This is something many people should be able to disagree with.
Salvos Rhoska
#6669 - 2014-03-28 00:26:47 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
[We went over this yesterday before you left the forum in a huff. Remember you were going to tattletale on me, then never posted again?


Yes, we did. And none of them say that I wish bodily harm on Erotica1 :)

Shall we discuss your libel against an elected CSM?

Or would you prefer to discuss that there is infact no objective way to win the Bonus Round and that its only purpose is to elicit suffering from the victims so listeners can fap?

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Lin Suizei
#6670 - 2014-03-28 00:27:09 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
Such as wishing physical harm on Erotica 1? Or are you over that phase of the temper tantrum?


I have never and do not wish physical harm on Erotica1 :)

I state that here and now, unequivocably, sincerely.


If you were in my corp, I'd award you a gold medal for excellence in mental gymnastics (right before awoxing you).

Lol I can't delete my forum sig.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#6671 - 2014-03-28 00:27:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Korhaka Mirunas wrote:
I am becoming curious as to how/if CCP will respond to all of this, due to the time being taken I am rather confident a perma-ban is not going to be the result. Even temp ban I would think is unlikely. CCP should not have to ban someone simply because some in the community dislike them, otherwise you could just get any scammer publicly hated enough to justify a ban.

Falcon's most recent response (probably about 100 pages back now) indicated a time frame of "several days"or "coming days" or something similar (you can find it easily enough by just going to Page 2 of this thread and then looking at his post history).
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#6672 - 2014-03-28 00:28:10 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Korhaka Mirunas wrote:
Why does it make any difference if you can actually 'win' or not in the bonus room? If so its a gameshow, if not its a scam, either way its not a reason to ban someone from the game.


Even if you can never ever win (which is demonstrably false, others have won before)... even in that worst case scenario, it would only mean that the bonus room is a scam.

And scams are not just within the rules of EVE, but a deliberate intended feature.



The scam is over 5 minutes into the two hour recording. Justify the rest of the recording.

I dare you.

Mr Epeen Cool


Well, for a start, the chance to win 4x the isk put in is what the entire rest of the recording is about. Numerous people actually have won it before you know.

I think another part of the bonus room is to have some silly fun - for both the operators and the contestants. Sing some silly songs, etc. Those kinds of silly things are stuff that I've witnessed and taken part in on numerous occasions during other aspects of the game - such as a funny way to make up for a mistake in fleet like jumping a gate early, or a way to pass the time while waiting for something to happen, or whatever. It's just silly fun.

Now I have a dare for you:justify Sokhar's racist remarks and threats of real life violence


In my worst nightmares, I take a break from EVE for a year.

I come back, and make my own corp and recruit people.

We go out to PvP.

Someone jumps gate early, and gets killed.

I tell him "Well dude, now you have to sing "Don't Stop Believing" on comms."

There's silence.

One of my members speaks up "Whoa dude... that's not cool." followed by others

"Yeah, dude... don't harass him cuz he made a mistake."

"I agree, you can't torture and bully him!"

"I'm filing a petition. This is unacceptable."

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Bloodmyst Ranwar
Menace of Morons
#6673 - 2014-03-28 00:28:23 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Bloodmyst Ranwar wrote:
Xuixien wrote:

Oh okay.

So it was okay before, but now you're here, so something must be done!


Well, I wasn't here before so I'm not sure if this behavior was widely accepted. Now that I am here, a part of this community saying "this is not OK" and "something needs to be done," is there a problem with that?

Playing a video game for (x) amount of time doesn't give you the right to bully others.




Yeah, there is a problem with that.

An even larger part of the community is against suicide ganking and scamming than are against Erotica 1.

That's right: As angry as people are and as many posts are made in this thread, there have been a multitude more and equally angry posts made against suicide ganking, "piracy", etcetc. You could argue that, because of this, "the community is against that behavior". So should that behavior be punished?

Also, please point out where Erotica 1 "bullied" anyone. Thanks.


Well first off;

The Definition of Bullying:

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/bully?q=bullying#bully__7

Secondly, to point out where Erotica "bullied anyone" as you say it.... find the link to recording on Jesters Blog, I'm too disgusted in even posting the link!

I can't make it anymore black and white for you.

Lastly, I find it interesting that you keep trying to find any loophole that you can possibly grab a hold of saying, "because people are against suicide ganking, should that behavior be punished?."

So in other words, your also saying that you like to use Eve as a platform to escape from reality where others WILL tolerate you bullying and humiliating others? Hmmm, I really hope the CCP Devs are reading this one!

Keep trying to find any loophole you can grab a hold of, your going to need it. Especially Erotica, because I think many of us know that things aren't exactly looking up for him at the moment. I hope his account is banned permanently, no less.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#6674 - 2014-03-28 00:29:47 UTC
Korhaka Mirunas wrote:
I am becoming curious as to how/if CCP will respond to all of this, due to the time being taken I am rather confident a perma-ban is not going to be the result. Even temp ban I would think is unlikely. CCP should not have to ban someone simply because some in the community dislike them, otherwise you could just get any scammer publicly hated enough to justify a ban.


Death threats are a perma-ban and CCP will act on that if they're satisfied with the evidence they've seen. Even if no-one reports it, they're pretty much obliged to ban that guy now afaik. I don't know why Erotica 1 or anyone else would be banned though.

Oh god.
San Guine
Scalar Aurora
#6675 - 2014-03-28 00:29:54 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Besides OP and any CSM or CCP representative, is there anyone in this thread who has only posted once?


Mhm

Instant edit: ah darn, you scammed me in posting twice!

.
LtCol Laurentius
The Imperial Sardaukar
#6676 - 2014-03-28 00:30:26 UTC
I think this thread confirms beyond any reasonable doubt that Ripard Teg is onto something when it comes to the perceptions and attitudes of a surprisingly large portion of the EVE community.

Seriously guys, some of you should take a step back and take a long hard look in the mirror, and contemplate what you are looking at. Shame on you.
Tor Norman
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6677 - 2014-03-28 00:34:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Tor Norman
Bloodmyst Ranwar wrote:
Well first off;

The Definition of Bullying:

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/bully?q=bullying#bully__7

Secondly, to point out where Erotica "bullied anyone" as you say it.... find the link to recording on Jesters Blog, I'm too disgusted in even posting the link!

I can't make it anymore black and white for you.

You couldn't be more vague if you tried. What exactly has Erotica 1 said or done that constitutes bullying?

Let's get the obvious next step out of the way. No, I'm not deliberately being dense. No, I'm not being stupid. No, I'm asking you to jump through loopholes.

There's no need to throw insults my way. I'm just asking you to tell me, under no uncertain terms exactly what Erotica has done wrong.

I talk about EVE trading and general space violence in my blog.

For the ISK and the yarr!
Korhaka Mirunas
Doomheim
#6678 - 2014-03-28 00:34:16 UTC
Bloodmyst Ranwar wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Bloodmyst Ranwar wrote:
Xuixien wrote:

Oh okay.

So it was okay before, but now you're here, so something must be done!


Well, I wasn't here before so I'm not sure if this behavior was widely accepted. Now that I am here, a part of this community saying "this is not OK" and "something needs to be done," is there a problem with that?

Playing a video game for (x) amount of time doesn't give you the right to bully others.




Yeah, there is a problem with that.

An even larger part of the community is against suicide ganking and scamming than are against Erotica 1.

That's right: As angry as people are and as many posts are made in this thread, there have been a multitude more and equally angry posts made against suicide ganking, "piracy", etcetc. You could argue that, because of this, "the community is against that behavior". So should that behavior be punished?

Also, please point out where Erotica 1 "bullied" anyone. Thanks.


Well first off;

The Definition of Bullying:

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/bully?q=bullying#bully__7

Secondly, to point out where Erotica "bullied anyone" as you say it.... find the link to recording on Jesters Blog, I'm too disgusted in even posting the link!

I can't make it anymore black and white for you.

Lastly, I find it interesting that you keep trying to find any loophole that you can possibly grab a hold of saying, "because people are against suicide ganking, should that behavior be punished?."

So in other words, your also saying that you like to use Eve as a platform to escape from reality where others WILL tolerate you bullying and humiliating others? Hmmm, I really hope the CCP Devs are reading this one!

Keep trying to find any loophole you can grab a hold of, your going to need it. Especially Erotica, because I think many of us know that things aren't exactly looking up for him at the moment. I hope his account is banned permanently, no less.





Use superior strength or influence to intimidate (someone), typically to force them to do something:
a local man was bullied into helping them


Yes, using my influence over another player, say having them warp scrambled, and trying to force them to give me isk or I destroy them. This is perfectly legit in EVE, but also would fit this definition of bullying.

We need T3 Shuttles!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiR5Q72kT1U
Salvos Rhoska
#6679 - 2014-03-28 00:34:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
The more awareness the community at large has of what Erotica1 and his associates have been up to, the better.

Disregarding for a second what happened to the victims, we are all actually victims of what this small group has been up to.

Because they have taken their activities to sucha ridiculous and heinous degree, that it actually threatens the privilege uptil now of other players having someone sing for their ship for example.

These guys made them 10-20!

There is a limit to what any community can tolerate. Even /b/ and SA have their limits.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Mario Putzo
#6680 - 2014-03-28 00:35:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Mario Putzo
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
[We went over this yesterday before you left the forum in a huff. Remember you were going to tattletale on me, then never posted again?


Yes, we did. And none of them say that I wish bodily harm on Erotica1 :)

Shall we discuss your libel against an elected CSM?

Or would you prefer to discuss that there is infact no objective way to win the Bonus Round and that its only purpose is to elicit suffering from the victims so listeners can fap?


Go right ahead. Go to CCP right now and try and get me in trouble for libel. There are hundreds of posts in this very thread that are ACTUAL libel. If you want to report me for apparent slandering Ripard Teg go pick a post and report it. If I get banned I get banned. Big whoop.