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Salvos Rhoska
#6141 - 2014-03-27 19:41:54 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
"CSM Erotica 1"

Do it. I double dare you.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Big Lynx
#6142 - 2014-03-27 19:42:27 UTC
Imryn Xaran wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Let me ask this question.

If E1 was actually serious about running for CSM and proceeded to gain a seat his real name would become public.

What if then one of the people who he recorded and posted on the internet decided to get revenge and found out were he worked and proceeded to inform then of what he does and they found it to be distasteful and it impacted on his real life would this be acceptable?

After all it was E1 who posted the material to begin with and E1 would of been well aware that his real name would be made available to all.


You honestly think E1 will get on the CSM?

In answer, he asked someone to read the code, read some wikipedia and sing two songs. Where exactly is the rule breaking here?


In the event that CCP provides an exception due to my expired passport, allows anonymity due to death threats, and allows my candidacy at all by ignoring angry carebears with pitchforks, then I'm certain that whatever the final vote tally is, I would get far more votes due to this event than would have occured otherwise.

I believe I would make a fine CSM.

Do I think any of this will happen? LOL Of course not. But it does say something about the whole posting CSM names' thing. Ask for passports, fine. But the policy of posting the real names allows some people to take things way too far for an internet spaceship council.


But EVE is real right?

You have chosen to behave in a certain way in this game and you have now discovered that your previous behavior will now prevent you from doing something - welcome to "actions have consequences"

If you can't risk having your real name published for fear of repercussions due to the way you have interacted with other players how can you possibly think you have any business on the CSM?


The answer is here
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6143 - 2014-03-27 19:42:44 UTC
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
Malcanis wrote:

"That guy killed my untanked Iteron full of compressed Crokite and A-type loot, AND HE ENJOYED IT! ban him!"


There is a difference between harassment with profit, and harassment simply for the sake of harrasment. In the event of a gank, the ganker profits. Both in killmails, and (potentially) in material goods.

In this case the harasser already received all material goods that could be acquired, and further harassment was done simply for the pleasure of the harasser. API's were even used to ensure, there was no other material gain to be had before the harassment began.



You are aware the vast majority of ganks also include a "tear harvesting" phase, right?

Where does that fall?

“Die trying” is the proudest human thing.
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#6144 - 2014-03-27 19:43:46 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Man, if Ero 1 does get a ban out of this, the metagame sillyness will be amazing.

We'll need a name for "Infiltrate corp, join voicecoms, and record a person breaking the EULA/ToS to get them banned".


I have just realised where I have seen your name before.

http://i.imgur.com/sX0vX3z.gif


Wow dude, just wow


Wow, forum stalk much?

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Prince Kobol
#6145 - 2014-03-27 19:45:26 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Let me ask this question.

If E1 was actually serious about running for CSM and proceeded to gain a seat his real name would become public.

What if then one of the people who he recorded and posted on the internet decided to get revenge and found out were he worked and proceeded to inform then of what he does and they found it to be distasteful and it impacted on his real life would this be acceptable?

After all it was E1 who posted the material to begin with and E1 would of been well aware that his real name would be made available to all.


You honestly think E1 will get on the CSM?

In answer, he asked someone to read the code, read some wikipedia and sing two songs. Where exactly is the rule breaking here?


In the event that CCP provides an exception due to my expired passport, allows anonymity due to death threats, and allows my candidacy at all by ignoring angry carebears with pitchforks, then I'm certain that whatever the final vote tally is, I would get far more votes due to this event than would have occured otherwise.

I believe I would make a fine CSM.

Do I think any of this will happen? LOL Of course not. But it does say something about the whole posting CSM names' thing. Ask for passports, fine. But the policy of posting the real names allows some people to take things way too far for an internet spaceship council.



Cheers for stopping by E1, unfortunately you did what exactly Baltec did and edit out the original question Blink

To some extend you are correct of course that having your real name published does give other people the opportunity take things wary to far as other another CSM member found to their cost.

In that case people took their in game issues and made a number of attacks of a very personal nature against the person in rl.

However, would you also agree that every action has a consequence. If you post something on the internet designed to humiliate a person then would you be surprised if they wanted to take some kind of revenge?

Whilst I am not advocating any kind of real life action against you personally, as you have already in no doubt read I do think you have gone way too far this time, you have to accept it is human nature that when you have been humiliated to want some kind of revenge.

Also could you please clear the issue on whether you were kicked out of Widot due to you boosting about your exploits.

We have had a couple of Goonswarm members say you were kicked and Mynnna also stated that you were kicked due to you boosting about this kind of thing.

That would mean either yourself or those stating you were kicked are lying. They are saying you are lying, your chance to counter them/
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#6146 - 2014-03-27 19:45:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Xuixien
Kristalll wrote:
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
Malcanis wrote:

"That guy killed my untanked Iteron full of compressed Crokite and A-type loot, AND HE ENJOYED IT! ban him!"


There is a difference between harassment with profit, and harassment simply for the sake of harrasment. In the event of a gank, the ganker profits. Both in killmails, and (potentially) in material goods.

In this case the harasser already received all material goods that could be acquired, and further harassment was done simply for the pleasure of the harasser. API's were even used to ensure, there was no other material gain to be had before the harassment began.



You are aware the vast majority of ganks also include a "tear harvesting" phase, right?

Where does that fall?


Well obviously EVE online is populated only by psychopaths and the emotionally fragile carebears upon which they prey.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
#6147 - 2014-03-27 19:45:58 UTC
I would imagine most if not every trade hub scammer, AWOXer, pirate, and "dark side" type that plays this game enjoys inflicting loss on their victim. One of the reasons I hear the most for people liking full loot PvP games like this is because of "meaningful loss", whether it is a 1M ISK frigate or a multi-billion ISK mission runner or capitol ship. What is the point of podding people after you've already destroyed their ship? You have nothing to gain from it (it's not like you can loot their implants), other than a KM and a chance of some more tears. Are we going to start banning anyone that professes to "tear collecting"?
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6148 - 2014-03-27 19:46:47 UTC
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
Mikey Aivo wrote:
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
Malcanis wrote:

"That guy killed my untanked Iteron full of compressed Crokite and A-type loot, AND HE ENJOYED IT! ban him!"


There is a difference between harassment with profit, and harassment simply for the sake of harrasment. In the event of a gank, the ganker profits. Both in killmails, and (potentially) in material goods.

In this case the harasser already received all material goods that could be acquired, and further harassment was done simply for the pleasure of the harasser. API's were even used to ensure, there was no other material gain to be had before the harassment began.




End of the day its still "harassment" as u call it, or as many see it as gameplay


It's gameplay? I thought since it happened out of game CCP didn't have any responsibility to do anything about what happened. If it was "game play" doesn't that mean that CCP should police it?


He was clearly referring to ganking as harassment in his post.

“Die trying” is the proudest human thing.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#6149 - 2014-03-27 19:47:05 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:
Gate campers aren't required to honor whatever ransom they demand, either. They can demand whatever the eff they want and assure the victim they can "win" by playing along. Bonus room contestants can just realize they've been scammed and walk away that much the wiser at any time, just like a gate camp victim can either self destruct or just say eff it and let the pirates blow him up.


I agree with your assesment, and I am aware of the significance of this to people who genuinely have no intent to cause suffering to other players outside the game.

But Erotica1's activities go well above and beyond that. This is a systematic activity, financed and supported by a group of sadists who enjoy listening to the suffering of others, as produced by the abuse and, yes, torture, that the victims are subjected to until they leave.

The thing is, there is no actual profit in the Bonus Room. They already hold all of the victims assets (and that is legit, nothing wrong with that). This is even confirmed by checking APIs against what the player hands over. Every single last cent is transferred.

The subsequent Bonus Room event, however, provides no profit to the perpetrators.
All it provides, is a venue to abuse and torture someone, for purposes of fapping to their suffering.

TLDR: Erotica1's extreme conduct in regard to this, has ruined it for everyone else having an innocent, ambivalent and often unilateral laugh with the someone who sings for their ship. As is evidenced in the recording, this goes WAAAYY beyond that.

Two things:

1: You do realize there are countless recordings on the net where people have demanded people sing, etc. as part of a "ransom demand" in game. This one was a big more organized and lengthy, but identical in actual content including the eventual outburst of rage at the end..
Why has this not become an issue before? Because it's meaningless, and the person can end the discussion at any time.

2: Nobody is really taking any of your trolling seriously anymore, but instead are simply stringing you along. Counter trolling at it's best. Blink

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M1k3y Koontz
House of Musashi
Stay Feral
#6150 - 2014-03-27 19:47:15 UTC
Kristalll wrote:
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
The signs of a psychopath according to phsychologytoday.com are:

1: Uncaring - being callous, a lack of empathy
2: "lack of emotion, especially the social emotions, such as shame, guilt, and embarrassment"
3: Irresponsibility, including showing “blame externalization", such as blaming the victim for one's abusive actions
4: Overconfidence: "The PCL describes sociopaths as possessing a 'grandiose sense of self worth.'"

Sounds quite a bit like the behaviors in the recording that started this firestorm.

Source: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/mindmelding/201301/what-is-psychopath-0
(Relax, I didn't cite Wikipedia.)


Interesting. Recently I actually had people from BU, Miner Bumping, and the Bonus Room fill out a questionnaire and take a Psychopathy Survey created by Professionals in the field of Psychological Disorders.

The results were interesting, but not particularly spectacular. Seems EVE Pirates aren't THAT much more psychopathic than 'normal' people.


...says the random person on the random forums...
And self-answer surveys are notoriously accurate.

The people in question may not be sociopaths in real life, but their in game actions reflect a completely different personality.

How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.
Myriad Blaze
Common Sense Ltd
Nulli Secunda
#6151 - 2014-03-27 19:47:21 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
But Ripard wrote that it was torture.

Have you read the post linked in my sig?

I would encourage you to do so.

I did.
And as I said before, you don't seem to understand what you posted there (for example you should look up the definition of "acute").
Besides, the ai definition of torture doesn't mean much. At least use the UNCAT definition in article 1 which was signed and ratified by many governments in the world.
Prince Kobol
#6152 - 2014-03-27 19:47:44 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Man, if Ero 1 does get a ban out of this, the metagame sillyness will be amazing.

We'll need a name for "Infiltrate corp, join voicecoms, and record a person breaking the EULA/ToS to get them banned".


I have just realised where I have seen your name before.

http://i.imgur.com/sX0vX3z.gif


Wow dude, just wow


Wow, forum stalk much?



No, it just struck me that making up stories about being a transvestite war veteran, being a nurse looking after sick children with leukaemia and saying that you have lost real life friends in wars would be an incredible sick thing to do, that is why his name stuck in my head.

Of course unless you are saying that it is fine to claim these kind of things
Big Lynx
#6153 - 2014-03-27 19:48:07 UTC
Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:
I would imagine most if not every trade hub scammer, AWOXer, pirate, and "dark side" type that plays this game enjoys inflicting loss on their victim. One of the reasons I hear the most for people liking full loot PvP games like this is because of "meaningful loss", whether it is a 1M ISK frigate or a multi-billion ISK mission runner or capitol ship. What is the point of podding people after you've already destroyed their ship? You have nothing to gain from it (it's not like you can loot their implants), other than a KM and a chance of some more tears. Are we going to start banning anyone that professes to "tear collecting"?


Omg, plz, stfu and grow up first.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#6154 - 2014-03-27 19:48:34 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Man, if Ero 1 does get a ban out of this, the metagame sillyness will be amazing.

We'll need a name for "Infiltrate corp, join voicecoms, and record a person breaking the EULA/ToS to get them banned".


I have just realised where I have seen your name before.

http://i.imgur.com/sX0vX3z.gif


Wow dude, just wow


Wow, forum stalk much?

Prince Kobol = Mandarine it seems.

That is one very sad piece of stalking and takes things way too far. Ridiculous.
Capt Starfox
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#6155 - 2014-03-27 19:48:57 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Capt Starfox wrote:
You scammed me out of my time, cost me isk that I could have been making in-game, I feel a little humiliated believing you, and so on. We could even go so far as to compare this to torture... I mean if we wanted to nitpick it that is.


Me sorry :,,,,(


Haha, fair enough

gf

Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
Anomaly One
Doomheim
#6156 - 2014-03-27 19:49:06 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Man, if Ero 1 does get a ban out of this, the metagame sillyness will be amazing.

We'll need a name for "Infiltrate corp, join voicecoms, and record a person breaking the EULA/ToS to get them banned".


I have just realised where I have seen your name before.

http://i.imgur.com/sX0vX3z.gif


Wow dude, just wow


Wow, forum stalk much?



this is the funny thing here, stalkers/death threats/labeling people as psychopaths/sick, asking them to be harmed etc. is all good and well for these people (the white knights) as long as you do it to the right people!

but "forcing" (telling) them to sing and they have the choice to leave whenever they want?? ITS TORTURE!!

let me remind you again

Salvos Rhoska wrote:
But yeah I agree, seize Erotica1's assets and ban the accounts, just to hear HIM rage and cry.
Hell, I'd pay money for such a delicious recording.
Also, Erotica1 sounds bent.


ofc that sounds completely normal! because a special snowflake said it!


Psychotic Monk for CSM9 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=326497 you want content in highsec? vote Monk
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#6157 - 2014-03-27 19:49:55 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:
Gate campers aren't required to honor whatever ransom they demand, either. They can demand whatever the eff they want and assure the victim they can "win" by playing along. Bonus room contestants can just realize they've been scammed and walk away that much the wiser at any time, just like a gate camp victim can either self destruct or just say eff it and let the pirates blow him up.


I agree with your assesment, and I am aware of the significance of this to people who genuinely have no intent to cause suffering to other players outside the game.

But Erotica1's activities go well above and beyond that. This is a systematic activity, financed and supported by a group of sadists who enjoy listening to the suffering of others, as produced by the abuse and, yes, torture, that the victims are subjected to until they leave.

The thing is, there is no actual profit in the Bonus Room. They already hold all of the victims assets (and that is legit, nothing wrong with that). This is even confirmed by checking APIs against what the player hands over. Every single last cent is transferred.

The subsequent Bonus Room event, however, provides no profit to the perpetrators.
All it provides, is a venue to abuse and torture someone, for purposes of fapping to their suffering.

TLDR: Erotica1's extreme conduct in regard to this, has ruined it for everyone else having an innocent, ambivalent and often unilateral laugh with the someone who sings for their ship. As is evidenced in the recording, this goes WAAAYY beyond that.

Two things:

1: You do realize there are countless recordings on the net where people have demanded people sing, etc. as part of a "ransom demand" in game. This one was a big more organized and lengthy, but identical in actual content including the eventual outburst of rage at the end..
Why has this not become an issue before? Because it's meaningless, and the person can end the discussion at any time.

2: Nobody is really taking any of your trolling seriously anymore, but instead are simply stringing you along. Counter trolling at it's best. Blink


I stopped taking him seriously after his conduct on TeamSpeak the other night. ;)

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#6158 - 2014-03-27 19:50:25 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
No, it just struck me that making up stories about being a transvestite war veteran, being a nurse looking after sick children with leukaemia and saying that you have lost real life friends in wars would be an incredible sick thing to do, that is why his name stuck in my head.

Of course unless you are saying that it is fine to claim these kind of things


Just to be clear, are you accusing him of lying about all those things, or are you merely trying to insinuate that he thinks lying about them would be acceptable?

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Dave Stark
#6159 - 2014-03-27 19:50:33 UTC
Anomaly One wrote:

ofc that sounds completely normal! because a special snowflake said it!




objection! evidence obtained under torture.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#6160 - 2014-03-27 19:51:03 UTC
Kristalll wrote:
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
The signs of a psychopath according to phsychologytoday.com are:

1: Uncaring - being callous, a lack of empathy
2: "lack of emotion, especially the social emotions, such as shame, guilt, and embarrassment"
3: Irresponsibility, including showing “blame externalization", such as blaming the victim for one's abusive actions
4: Overconfidence: "The PCL describes sociopaths as possessing a 'grandiose sense of self worth.'"

Sounds quite a bit like the behaviors in the recording that started this firestorm.

Source: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/mindmelding/201301/what-is-psychopath-0
(Relax, I didn't cite Wikipedia.)


Interesting. Recently I actually had people from BU, Miner Bumping, and the Bonus Room fill out a questionnaire and take a Psychopathy Survey created by Professionals in the field of Psychological Disorders.

The results were interesting, but not particularly spectacular. Seems EVE Pirates aren't THAT much more psychopathic than 'normal' people.

The psychopaths didn't submit their results. lol.

Oh god.