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dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6121 - 2014-03-27 19:33:46 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
But it does say something about the whole posting CSM names' thing. Ask for passports, fine. But the policy of posting the real names allows some people to take things way too far for an internet spaceship council.


Maybe the people why can't publicly used their real name, because of the way they behave on the internet, are the people CCP don't want to be associated with.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Nyjil Lizaru
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#6122 - 2014-03-27 19:34:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Nyjil Lizaru
Is this about what's allowable, or what's acceptable? Is it about what's within the letter of the rules or the spirit?

The Goon mantra of 'destroying YOUR game' has it's place, and helps to define EVE. But if we all turn into Goons, what's left to do? If we (as a whole) push the 'center of mass' of our aggregate 'dickhead quotient' so far in one direction, do we not risk losing all the 'sheep'?

I don't know what 'should' be done, if anything, but I do worry for the future of EVE regardless of CCP's decision.

Nyjil's corollary to Malcanis' Law:   "Any attempt by CCP to smooth the learning curve of EVE Online will be carried out via the addition of extra factors and 'features' such that there is a net increase in complexity."
M1k3y Koontz
House of Musashi
Stay Feral
#6123 - 2014-03-27 19:34:34 UTC
The signs of a psychopath according to phsychologytoday.com are:

1: Uncaring - being callous, a lack of empathy
2: "lack of emotion, especially the social emotions, such as shame, guilt, and embarrassment"
3: Irresponsibility, including showing “blame externalization", such as blaming the victim for one's abusive actions
4: Overconfidence: "The PCL describes sociopaths as possessing a 'grandiose sense of self worth.'"

Sounds quite a bit like the behaviors in the recording that started this firestorm.

Source: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/mindmelding/201301/what-is-psychopath-0
(Relax, I didn't cite Wikipedia.)

How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.
Salvos Rhoska
#6124 - 2014-03-27 19:35:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:
Gate campers aren't required to honor whatever ransom they demand, either. They can demand whatever the eff they want and assure the victim they can "win" by playing along. Bonus room contestants can just realize they've been scammed and walk away that much the wiser at any time, just like a gate camp victim can either self destruct or just say eff it and let the pirates blow him up.


I agree with your assesment, and I am aware of the significance of this to people who genuinely have no intent to cause suffering to other players outside the game.

But Erotica1's activities go well above and beyond that. This is a systematic activity, financed and supported by a group of sadists who enjoy listening to the suffering of others, as produced by the abuse and, yes, torture, that the victims are subjected to until they leave.

The thing is, there is no actual profit in the Bonus Room. They already hold all of the victims assets (and that is legit, nothing wrong with that). This is even confirmed by checking APIs against what the player hands over. Every single last cent is transferred.

The subsequent Bonus Room event, however, provides no profit to the perpetrators.
All it provides, is a venue to abuse and torture someone, for purposes of fapping to their suffering.

TLDR: Erotica1's extreme conduct in regard to this, has ruined it for everyone else having an innocent, ambivalent and often unilateral laugh with the someone who sings for their ship. As is evidenced in the recording, this goes WAAAYY beyond that.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#6125 - 2014-03-27 19:35:47 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:


Hmm.. you seem to be having problems reading again...


If E1 was actually serious about running for CSM bolded that part for you Big smile

Yet again avoiding a very simple question. You seem to do that a lot these days.

A simple yes or no and short explanation as to why will suffice


He would have to stop scamming on his mains.


My plan all along was to stop isk doubling/bonus rounds in the unlikely event I would be voted in. Imagine the fear in highsec carebears everywhere each time a "CSM Erotica 1" says "Hey! I have an idea!"

Long live the Code.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
M1k3y Koontz
House of Musashi
Stay Feral
#6126 - 2014-03-27 19:36:30 UTC
Malcanis wrote:

"That guy killed my untanked Iteron full of compressed Crokite and A-type loot, AND HE ENJOYED IT! ban him!"


There is a difference between harassment with profit, and harassment simply for the sake of harrasment. In the event of a gank, the ganker profits. Both in killmails, and (potentially) in material goods.

In this case the harasser already received all material goods that could be acquired, and further harassment was done simply for the pleasure of the harasser. API's were even used to ensure, there was no other material gain to be had before the harassment began.

How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.
Big Lynx
#6127 - 2014-03-27 19:37:07 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:


Hmm.. you seem to be having problems reading again...


If E1 was actually serious about running for CSM bolded that part for you Big smile

Yet again avoiding a very simple question. You seem to do that a lot these days.

A simple yes or no and short explanation as to why will suffice


He would have to stop scamming on his mains.


My plan all along was to stop isk doubling/bonus rounds in the unlikely event I would be voted in. Imagine the fear in highsec carebears everywhere each time a "CSM Erotica 1" says "Hey! I have an idea!"

Long live the Code.


You, Sir, have serious problems!
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#6128 - 2014-03-27 19:38:13 UTC
dexington wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
But it does say something about the whole posting CSM names' thing. Ask for passports, fine. But the policy of posting the real names allows some people to take things way too far for an internet spaceship council.


Maybe the people why can't publicly used their real name, because of the way they behave on the internet, are the people CCP don't want to be associated with.

LOL.
Okay braniac, lets see your real name and contact details posted here on the forums.

What?
You don't want to do that?
The wrong sort of people might make you regret it?

Seriously Dex, think before you post something like that.

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#6129 - 2014-03-27 19:38:35 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
Long live the Code.


If you disavowed james315 i would give you all my votes. Lol

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
Mikey Aivo
Original Sinners
Pandemic Legion
#6130 - 2014-03-27 19:38:49 UTC
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
Malcanis wrote:

"That guy killed my untanked Iteron full of compressed Crokite and A-type loot, AND HE ENJOYED IT! ban him!"


There is a difference between harassment with profit, and harassment simply for the sake of harrasment. In the event of a gank, the ganker profits. Both in killmails, and (potentially) in material goods.

In this case the harasser already received all material goods that could be acquired, and further harassment was done simply for the pleasure of the harasser. API's were even used to ensure, there was no other material gain to be had before the harassment began.




End of the day its still "harassment" as u call it, or as many see it as gameplay
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#6131 - 2014-03-27 19:38:50 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:


Hmm.. you seem to be having problems reading again...


If E1 was actually serious about running for CSM bolded that part for you Big smile

Yet again avoiding a very simple question. You seem to do that a lot these days.

A simple yes or no and short explanation as to why will suffice


He would have to stop scamming on his mains.


My plan all along was to stop isk doubling/bonus rounds in the unlikely event I would be voted in. Imagine the fear in highsec carebears everywhere each time a "CSM Erotica 1" says "Hey! I have an idea!"

Long live the Code.


Imagine the fear going through ever gankers/scammers heart, if you get banned.

Pretty big fear bets you are taking.

Signature removed for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#6132 - 2014-03-27 19:39:26 UTC
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
The signs of a psychopath according to phsychologytoday.com are:

1: Uncaring - being callous, a lack of empathy
2: "lack of emotion, especially the social emotions, such as shame, guilt, and embarrassment"
3: Irresponsibility, including showing “blame externalization", such as blaming the victim for one's abusive actions
4: Overconfidence: "The PCL describes sociopaths as possessing a 'grandiose sense of self worth.'"

Sounds quite a bit like the behaviors in the recording that started this firestorm.

Source: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/mindmelding/201301/what-is-psychopath-0
(Relax, I didn't cite Wikipedia.)

So 90% of the people in the entertainment industry.

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#6133 - 2014-03-27 19:39:27 UTC
dexington wrote:
Maybe the people why can't publicly used their real name, because of the way they behave on the internet, are the people CCP don't want to be associated with.

Its not a problem because people publish their name.

The problem arises because others take it upon themselves to then behave stupidly.
Capt Starfox
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#6134 - 2014-03-27 19:39:28 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Capt Starfox wrote:
Yes, or no will suffice.

Hmm let me think back to it....

Yes, my memory seems to recall the original quote saying pretty much what that says.


So, you lied. I checked the thread and sure enough you mis-quote and added in your own words. My question now is, why is this okay for you to do, but not someone else? You scammed me out of my time, cost me isk that I could have been making in-game, I feel a little humiliated believing you, and so on. We could even go so far as to compare this to torture... I mean if we wanted to nitpick it that is.

Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6135 - 2014-03-27 19:40:02 UTC
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
The signs of a psychopath according to phsychologytoday.com are:

1: Uncaring - being callous, a lack of empathy
2: "lack of emotion, especially the social emotions, such as shame, guilt, and embarrassment"
3: Irresponsibility, including showing “blame externalization", such as blaming the victim for one's abusive actions
4: Overconfidence: "The PCL describes sociopaths as possessing a 'grandiose sense of self worth.'"

Sounds quite a bit like the behaviors in the recording that started this firestorm.

Source: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/mindmelding/201301/what-is-psychopath-0
(Relax, I didn't cite Wikipedia.)


Interesting. Recently I actually had people from BU, Miner Bumping, and the Bonus Room fill out a questionnaire and take a Psychopathy Survey created by Professionals in the field of Psychological Disorders.

The results were interesting, but not particularly spectacular. Seems EVE Pirates aren't THAT much more psychopathic than 'normal' people.

“Die trying” is the proudest human thing.
Imryn Xaran
Coherent Light Enterprises
#6136 - 2014-03-27 19:40:37 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Let me ask this question.

If E1 was actually serious about running for CSM and proceeded to gain a seat his real name would become public.

What if then one of the people who he recorded and posted on the internet decided to get revenge and found out were he worked and proceeded to inform then of what he does and they found it to be distasteful and it impacted on his real life would this be acceptable?

After all it was E1 who posted the material to begin with and E1 would of been well aware that his real name would be made available to all.


You honestly think E1 will get on the CSM?

In answer, he asked someone to read the code, read some wikipedia and sing two songs. Where exactly is the rule breaking here?


In the event that CCP provides an exception due to my expired passport, allows anonymity due to death threats, and allows my candidacy at all by ignoring angry carebears with pitchforks, then I'm certain that whatever the final vote tally is, I would get far more votes due to this event than would have occured otherwise.

I believe I would make a fine CSM.

Do I think any of this will happen? LOL Of course not. But it does say something about the whole posting CSM names' thing. Ask for passports, fine. But the policy of posting the real names allows some people to take things way too far for an internet spaceship council.


But EVE is real right?

You have chosen to behave in a certain way in this game and you have now discovered that your previous behavior will now prevent you from doing something - welcome to "actions have consequences"

If you can't risk having your real name published for fear of repercussions due to the way you have interacted with other players how can you possibly think you have any business on the CSM?
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#6137 - 2014-03-27 19:40:49 UTC
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
The signs of a psychopath according to phsychologytoday.com are:

1: Uncaring - being callous, a lack of empathy
2: "lack of emotion, especially the social emotions, such as shame, guilt, and embarrassment"
3: Irresponsibility, including showing “blame externalization", such as blaming the victim for one's abusive actions
4: Overconfidence: "The PCL describes sociopaths as possessing a 'grandiose sense of self worth.'"

Sounds quite a bit like the behaviors in the recording that started this firestorm.

Source: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/mindmelding/201301/what-is-psychopath-0
(Relax, I didn't cite Wikipedia.)


Yeah let's look at the DSM-V, an actual credible source. Oh look, I could not find a diagnosis for "psychopathy"!

But what I did find was "Antisocial Personality Disorder". What does the DSM-V say?

Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders Fifth Edition wrote:


This pattern has also been referred to as psychopathy, sociopathy,
or dyssocial personality disorder.*

For this diagnosis to be given, the individual must be at least age 18 years (Criterion B)
and must have had a history of some symptoms of conduct disorder before age 15 years**
(Criterion C). Conduct disorder involves a repetitive and persistent pattern of behavior in
which the basic rights of others or major age-appropriate societal norms or rules are violated.
The specific behaviors characteristic of conduct disorder fall into one of four categories:
aggression to people and animals, destruction of property, deceitfulness or theft, or
serious violation of rules.


* There is no such actual diagnosis of "psychopathy" - it's Antisocial Personality Disorder.
** Do we know whether or not Erotica 1 tortured animals, etcetc, before the age of 15?

So yeah. There you go.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Salvos Rhoska
#6138 - 2014-03-27 19:40:49 UTC
Capt Starfox wrote:
You scammed me out of my time, cost me isk that I could have been making in-game, I feel a little humiliated believing you, and so on. We could even go so far as to compare this to torture... I mean if we wanted to nitpick it that is.


Me sorry :,,,,(

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Dave Stark
#6139 - 2014-03-27 19:41:10 UTC
Kristalll wrote:
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
The signs of a psychopath according to phsychologytoday.com are:

1: Uncaring - being callous, a lack of empathy
2: "lack of emotion, especially the social emotions, such as shame, guilt, and embarrassment"
3: Irresponsibility, including showing “blame externalization", such as blaming the victim for one's abusive actions
4: Overconfidence: "The PCL describes sociopaths as possessing a 'grandiose sense of self worth.'"

Sounds quite a bit like the behaviors in the recording that started this firestorm.

Source: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/mindmelding/201301/what-is-psychopath-0
(Relax, I didn't cite Wikipedia.)


Interesting. Recently I actually had people from BU, Miner Bumping, and the Bonus Room fill out a questionnaire and take a Psychopathy Survey created by Professionals in the field of Psychological Disorders.

The results were interesting, but not particularly spectacular. Seems EVE Pirates aren't THAT much more psychopathic than 'normal' people.


completely unsurprising.
M1k3y Koontz
House of Musashi
Stay Feral
#6140 - 2014-03-27 19:41:24 UTC
Mikey Aivo wrote:
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
Malcanis wrote:

"That guy killed my untanked Iteron full of compressed Crokite and A-type loot, AND HE ENJOYED IT! ban him!"


There is a difference between harassment with profit, and harassment simply for the sake of harrasment. In the event of a gank, the ganker profits. Both in killmails, and (potentially) in material goods.

In this case the harasser already received all material goods that could be acquired, and further harassment was done simply for the pleasure of the harasser. API's were even used to ensure, there was no other material gain to be had before the harassment began.




End of the day its still "harassment" as u call it, or as many see it as gameplay


It's gameplay? I thought since it happened out of game CCP didn't have any responsibility to do anything about what happened. If it was "game play" doesn't that mean that CCP should police it?

How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.