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lollerwaffle
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#6041 - 2014-03-27 19:05:22 UTC
Graabeerd Khagah wrote:
I'm going to offer one last analogy; if say I was a judge in a federal court room, and this particular case was brought before me. I would listen to both the prosecution and defense. I would have ask for witnesses and sit a jury. After all been said in sworn testimony and the jury hands down a decision the what do you think would have been the outcome?

In my most honest opinion, in this case BOTH sides would have lost for the following reason, that notwithstanding the victim in this case did NOT show evidence of torture whether physical or emotional, 2)that the perpetrator of the crime did in FACT commit a crime beyond reasonable doubt with a recording which is debatable to being introduced as evidence in my court, 3) the victim knowingly knew what he was getting into with the oppurtunity to withdraw at anytime but didn't.

Therefore, it is within a reasonable finding that the criminal act of subjecting the victim to mental torture would be unfounded for a lack of evidence and the case would have been dismissed without a summary judgement. Meaning again both sides lost accordingly in their arguments and the jury would have to debate the merits of the case based on factual evidence.

As I said previously I am more into copyrights and interlectual property rights than I am in this case.

As I said, more internet lawyering

How is the recording proof of a crime beyond reasonable doubt? Did you listen to it?
Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
#6042 - 2014-03-27 19:05:28 UTC
That post from Big Lynx or whoever gave me an idea. Personally, i dont think you guys can keep this thread alive this long, but here goes.



******20,000th poaster gets ONE PLEX from me.*********


and i better get some damn likes out of the deal too.

This thread wont live that long anyway.

They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake.

**This IS my main so STFU.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#6043 - 2014-03-27 19:05:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:
Everyone should understand this. The victim was only there because his assets were on the line.
No, Sokhar was there because of greed.

He abused Erotica 1 in local before trying the ISK double and then his greed took over.

His responsibility 100% for his choices.

Erotica 1 never approached him. He began the entire thing as anyone does that tries an ISK Doubler. He added the extra bit of abuse in local just for his own reasons though.
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6044 - 2014-03-27 19:05:44 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Kristalll wrote:
So it's exactly like if I point you and ask you to sing a song on TS3 or a I kill you, right?

No, its like we will torture you until you leave the Bonus Room, and we win.


Oh? when did the torturing take place? I must have missed that.

“Die trying” is the proudest human thing.
Dave Stark
#6045 - 2014-03-27 19:06:00 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Kristalll wrote:
So it's exactly like if I point you and ask you to sing a song on TS3 or a I kill you, right?


Yes it's exactly like that, because they have your virtual spaceship.

False.

See:

"No, its like we will torture you until you leave the Bonus Room, and we win."


pretty sure we've established that it wasn't torture.
lollerwaffle
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#6046 - 2014-03-27 19:06:27 UTC
Susitna wrote:
Support Perma ban for Erotica 1. Totally crossed the line. It's getting to the point, I am ashamed to tell people I play this game.

I too, am ashamed that you play this game.
Salvos Rhoska
#6047 - 2014-03-27 19:06:52 UTC
Danalee wrote:
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Come. Give me all your assets and enter my game.

There I will abuse you for 100hrs if necessary with a unending demands that amuse my sadism, until you leave, and I win.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Graabeerd Khagah
MoonFyre BattleGroup Holdings
#6048 - 2014-03-27 19:07:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Graabeerd Khagah
And 302 pages later, geeeesh....oops, make that 303!!
Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#6049 - 2014-03-27 19:07:23 UTC
Belt Scout wrote:
That post from Big Lynx or whoever gave me an idea. Personally, i dont think you guys can keep this thread alive this long, but here goes.



******20,000th poaster gets ONE PLEX from me.*********


and i better get some damn likes out of the deal too.

This thread wont live that long anyway.

Challenge Accepted!

...
Anomaly One
Doomheim
#6050 - 2014-03-27 19:07:31 UTC
Belt Scout wrote:
That post from Big Lynx or whoever gave me an idea. Personally, i dont think you guys can keep this thread alive this long, but here goes.



******20,000th poaster gets ONE PLEX from me.*********


and i better get some damn likes out of the deal too.

This thread wont live that long anyway.


y u do dis


FREE MEE!!!!!
UNSHACKLE MY CHAINS

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Imryn Xaran
Coherent Light Enterprises
#6051 - 2014-03-27 19:07:32 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
olan2005 wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Jen Takhesis wrote:
lollerwaffle wrote:

So let me ask you some simple questions:
Does Erotic 1 deserve a ban (some are even pushing for a lifetime ban)?
If yes, on what grounds?
Which rules did he break to result in this punishment?


Woah, seriously? Have you read the Eve Online terms of service?

"Failure to comply with these regulations can result in the immediate termination of your account and you will forfeit all unused access time to the game. No refunds will be given.

"1. You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player...
"2. You may not use any abusive, defamatory, ethnically or racially offensive, harassing, harmful, hateful, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, threatening or vulgar language..."

Now, you may argue that some of this occurred outside of the Eve Online servers, but there is also no doubt that parts of the behaviors were simultaneously occurring on the Eve Online servers. So the abusive/harassing behavior was in both spheres. Or are you seriously arguing the equivalent of "I beat him up off school grounds, so when he opened his locker to give me his lunch money, no beatings occurred on school grounds?"


Erotica 1 did not abuse (despite certain individuals finding non-legal definitions of the term and trying to contort Erotica 1's actions to fit), harass (the individual was free to leave at any time) or threaten anyone.
Erotica 1 did not use any abusive, defamatory, ethnically or racially offensive, harassing, harmful, hateful, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, threatening or vulgar language.

Either you did not listen to the recording or you did not read the quote you posted, or both.


The counter point to you're argument is that coercion through holding assets to ransom was used to get the player to stay . Finish and
You get your stuff back. ,was the ransom angle that kept the victim their. He was not completely free to leave as that meant forfeiture of his assets


Yes, I am sure that would hold up in court ("Your honor, the subject was clearly held in duress. The defendant had taken possession of his virtual spaceship."

Also, you should read the EULA. None of the items are owned by the players. So Sohkar had no assets to hold as ransom. You think paying 15 a month means you own your ISK? No, you are merely paying for access to the System and the toys CCP allows you to play with.


I am pretty sure that the law in most countries recognizes that an asset in this context can have zero value and still be used for coercive purposes - but I am not a lawyer, just an ex-cop so what do I know
Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
#6052 - 2014-03-27 19:07:36 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Yes, I am sure that would hold up in court ("Your honor, the subject was clearly held in duress. The defendant had taken possession of his virtual spaceship."

Also, you should read the EULA. None of the items are owned by the players. So Sohkar had no assets to hold as ransom. You think paying 15 a month means you own your ISK? No, you are merely paying for access to the System and the toys CCP allows you to play with.


Maybe Judge Judy will take the case. Is she still on TV?

"Victim": "Yes, I gave my pixels to a complete stranger who promised to quadruple them. He then required me to sing stupid songs and engage in some homoerotic roleplay for my prize, to which I responded with a half hour tirade. Clearly, I was tortured."

JJ: "I'm sure Amnesty International will get right on that. Next case!"
Salvos Rhoska
#6053 - 2014-03-27 19:08:04 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
pretty sure we've established that it wasn't torture.

Have you read the post linked in my sig?

I encourage you to do so.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Helena Russell Makanen
DRRUSSEL
#6054 - 2014-03-27 19:08:22 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
I welcome a civil debate between myself and Ripard on a neutral teamspeak moderated by Chribba.



You sure seem to offer up Chribba's services a lot without asking him. Latest instances here, and your rediculous 'Erotica 1's Eve-Bank' lol. Quite rude to offer his assistance up repeatedly without asking him first don't you think?

"If a miner needs to go to the bathroom, for instance, I ask that they dock up first, or at the very least ask the Supreme Protector for permission to go."  -  James 315 - aka - the miner bumper

Kristalll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6055 - 2014-03-27 19:08:39 UTC
Sohkar, please at least TRY to be believable with your ramblings.

“Die trying” is the proudest human thing.
Danalee
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#6056 - 2014-03-27 19:08:42 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Danalee wrote:
---


Come. Give me all your assets and enter my game.

There I will abuse you for 100hrs if necessary with a unending demands that amuse my sadism, until you leave, and I win.


No thanks.



SEE HOW THAT MOTHERBLEEPING WORKS YOU WANNABEE TORTURER FAIL OF A PERSON.

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
lollerwaffle
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#6057 - 2014-03-27 19:08:45 UTC
Everything resembling originality was all said in the first 5 pages. After that it's just been regurgitation and trolling to reach 300+ pages.
H aVo K
Tycheon Industries
#6058 - 2014-03-27 19:08:49 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Kristalll wrote:
So it's exactly like if I point you and ask you to sing a song on TS3 or a I kill you, right?

No, its like we will torture you until you leave the Bonus Room, and we win.


It's not torture.

Torture, is the immense headache inflicted on anyone who tries to follow the logic in the idiocy you are spewing.
Dave Stark
#6059 - 2014-03-27 19:09:45 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
pretty sure we've established that it wasn't torture.

Have you read the post linked in my sig?

I encourage you to do so.


linking to yourself as some kind of proof, surprised you haven't been in a bonus room yourself.
Giovanni erkelens2
Violent Trans Matching
Neon Nightmares
#6060 - 2014-03-27 19:10:03 UTC
people that dont understand the word torture.


i think something bad of that.