EVE General Discussion

Where is the post in which you asked me these things?

I'm pretty sure you're not a vet that has been tortured, ever, and in fact not any kind of vet at all. Any speculation you might have about what actual torture victims would think about your assertions is just that, speculation. What you've just said amounts to more redundant waffling, but that's been your entire contribution to this thread so far so why stop now? Waffle away.

Yeah, it's totally new that there are some people who don't appreciate the nature of Eve. This is literally the first time ever anyone has gotten upset about the things that happen in Eve and have quit/refused to play it as a result.

Also, it wasn't Erotica who made Eve look bad. Those people aren't reacting to the bonus round, they are reacting to the blatant lies in Ripard's blog post, where he paints a false picture of what happens in the bonus rounds.

Speaking of being tortured.... Poor Falcon, ISD, anyone else who's obligated to read every one of these posts. I can imagine a few sources of suffering:
-The same argument, repeated over and over by the same poster.
-The same argument, repeated over and over by latecomers who didn't scroll up.
-Evidence of inattention/poor reading skills.
-Arguments between space lawyers over little issues-- that don't even matter.
-Vast sections of the Great Wall of Text.
-Multiple back and forth arguments/sub-threads. That interweave with each other over 280+ pages.
-Blockheaded obstinate stubbornness.
-Etc.

Have a beer when you get off work, moderators, you deserve it.

What would happen to the world if 'free speech' laws only applied to polite speech, and not the intolerant or vile speech?
Who would then decide what is hateful speech, and not protected?
Who would then protect your speech, on that day years later when someone determines your words are hateful to them?

EvE the 'sandbox' must be based on the same principles. It is a sandbox, or not. There is no middle ground between food and poison, just poisoned food. tldr; CCP must be very careful about coming between two players in any scenario, at risk of crushing what the sandbox stands for.

Harassment or 'bullying' as previously defined by CCP, is when a player continuously or on an ongoing basis messes with another player, without asset acquisition being their core driver.

If we look to that precedent, Erotica1 neither continuously nor on an ongoing basis messed with Sohkar, for it was a single time event with Sohkar, and Erotica1's goals were clearly asset acquisition at their core. By CCP's own precedent this was thus not harassment nor bullying, it was the sandbox, working as intended.

Now while you may denounce the way Erotica1 did what he did, you however can NOT denounce his right to do it, or you might as well denounce the sandbox, freedom of speech and the notion of freedom itself.

Why is It always liberal pansies that have to silence or jail those they disagree with in the real world, rather than win their arguments by engaging directly with the person they wish to neuter, and instead convince them? That is evil. That is Stalinism. That is today's liberal pansification in real life injecting itself into a GAME with cries to 'ban Erotica1!'...

What's missing from this thread is that Sohkar was a DUNCE. He allowed himself to be scammed, then doubled down on stupid by allowing himself to be made a fool of, driven by his personal greed and attempts to acquire quick money (ISK). Sohkar should be THANKING Erotica1 for the valuable real-life lesson he was just taught! Surely the first time he goes to nagotiate a car loan, mortgage or cellphone contract -- he will be more likely to look at the fine print and not get screwed thanks to Erotica1?

THAT is the lesson of HTFU you pansies never seem to get, that HTFU is GOOD FOR YOU. Bubble wrap a dunce or carebear, and you neuter him in real life I say. Want to know why kids are leaving their parents homes at older and older ages? Just look in the f#$king mirror you fail-enabling PANSIES!

F#)($#!

Speculation.


Also:
Ganking, fighting, scamming =/= Harrassment and Public Embarrassment

I been following this since the other evening when it broke out and I seriously believe the time has come to lay the subject to rest. 287 pages worth of reading is a lot for some, other a speed reading course. However tho' the issue here is whether or not if the victim in this case was being subjected to "torture" to which I think he was as far as mental torture was concerned, no physical torture. However on the other hand this to me is the most unethical use of a scam and then turn right around and go outside of eve to using TS3 for two hours or so to subject the victim to mental torture on this scale is wrong.

In my opinion however the victim had every right to refuse to continue which he didn't, Erotica1 and his cohorts kept edgeing the victim onwards to past the point of no return, Erotica1 DID in fact commit a crime of cyber bullying, and there fore has opened himself and others with him to possible charges.

IF that were the case being then, the community at large should petition on the behalf of the victim to have his entire inventory, isk and what ever else he lost returned to him notwithstanding, AND to let CCP know that this is unacceptable to the community at large. The use of Teamspeak outside the game is a matter of record for a court of law to decide on the consequences and maybe a jail term as called for earlier in this thread.

Eve is a game of course, but sometimes some people just go to the extremes sometimes and push the limits as to what is and what isn't acceptable behavior and this is a classic case of pushing beyond an acceptable boundary to which Erotica1 and his cohorts have shown in a public manner.

I know CCP has been rather silent about this matter and as one said they will release some kind of statement in the coming days ahead.

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Let's hope CCP exercises patience and reason in this, the most damage was done by Ripard Teg because of this PR stunt and because of it now they have to make a choice, and it won't be pretty.



except they shouldn't, to appease the public and mob they would screw the others.

:Facepalm:

Dumbass.

Usually in the hope that it will qualify them to join the goons