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Lady Areola Fappington
#5781 - 2014-03-27 17:43:25 UTC
Oh and thanks a lot guys. I cut a bet with my spouse that this thread would be locked before it hit 300 pages. You people are going to cost me a fancy sit-down meal.

That's torture.

I want permabans for everyone!

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#5782 - 2014-03-27 17:43:31 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
You are demeaning the severity of the act of torture with this.

It is as wrong, and as illegal, no matter what the degree of pain inflicted, as long as the victim experiences it as acute, according to the definitions of Amnesty International.


No, you are trivializing and demeaning the severity of the act of torture by comparing people being assholes on the Internet to torture.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#5783 - 2014-03-27 17:43:52 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Andski wrote:
This is bullshit and you clearly have no clue what you're talking about

Something vaguely fulfilling an open-ended definition of "torture" does not, in fact, make it torture


See the elaboration in my sig, for the specifics of how this conduct constitutes torture.


When someone calls your post bullshit, linking them to that same post is not an actual response.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#5784 - 2014-03-27 17:44:00 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Andski wrote:
This is bullshit and you clearly have no clue what you're talking about

Something vaguely fulfilling an open-ended definition of "torture" does not, in fact, make it torture


See the elaboration in my sig, for the specifics of how this conduct constitutes torture.


News just in, the X-Factor is now considered torture.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#5785 - 2014-03-27 17:44:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Xuixien
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Andski wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
See the elaboration in my sig, for the specifics of how this conduct constitutes torture.


"Guys it fits the most open-ended, most vague definition of torture there is therefore it it is torture"

~ some sheltered kid from suburbia


You are demeaning the severity of the act of torture with this.

It is as wrong, and as illegal, no matter what the degree of pain inflicted, as long as the victim experiences it as acute, according to the definitions of Amnesty International.


So there you have it guys.

The end result of touchy-feely PC liberalism at it's best.

You can be legally punished based on how you made someone feel and how they subjectively experienced your actions.

(Can anyone else see how that's nonsense? Please tell me Salvos is the only one who's insane here.)

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#5786 - 2014-03-27 17:44:28 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Oh and thanks a lot guys. I cut a bet with my spouse that this thread would be locked before it hit 300 pages. You people are going to cost me a fancy sit-down meal.

That's torture.

I want permabans for everyone!



Go for a bonus round: make it sushi - you still have 10 pages to go.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5787 - 2014-03-27 17:44:39 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Andski wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
See the elaboration in my sig, for the specifics of how this conduct constitutes torture.


"Guys it fits the most open-ended, most vague definition of torture there is therefore it it is torture"

~ some sheltered kid from suburbia


You are demeaning the severity of the act of torture with this.

It is as wrong, and as illegal, no matter what the degree of pain inflicted, as long as the victim experiences it as acute, according to the definitions of Amnesty International.


No, you're demeaning the severity of torture with your sensational bullshit. According to your vaunted definition of amnesty international, they are victims against their will. That, right there, discredits any assertion that Sokhar was a victim of torture. You can try to 'elaborate' all you want but so far all you've really done is waffle.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Brusanan
Sons of Seyllin
Pirate Lords of War
#5788 - 2014-03-27 17:45:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Brusanan
Effect One wrote:
Big Lynx wrote:
Effect One wrote:
This player could have walked away at any given moment. He chose not to. The end.



Would you go away so easily, when a douche takes all your money and items you have worked for?


Your post serves only to prove my reasoning.

Whether I would go away so easily when someone takes something that I consider to belong to me is irrelevant; the fact of the matter is that I have the choice to do so and, if I choose not to do so, I remain on the plateau of potential humiliation by my own decision.

The fact remains that items within Eve Online do not belong to you and, aside from the investment of time (if you wish to look at it as an 'investment'), have no real world value unless you partake in real money trading (which I wouldn't recommend). You are confusing the morality of the real world and associated laws of property with the rules of a video game. The former may impact on the latter in your head, but there is no legal (in terms of the law of property) or civil (in terms of the contract you enter into with CCP) basis for it.

You do not own anything associated with your account other than the diminishing non-transferable license to play the game you acquired by way of your subscription fees.

This.

The fact that he left multiple times and then came back makes it pretty clear that he made a conscious decision to continue with the bonus round. Multiple times he stopped and decided that the bonus round wasn't so "humiliating" that it was no longer worth the measly 1 billion ISK he was competing for.

This thread is just full of people intentionally blowing this way out of proportion because they just want to see Erotica banned, and they know if they don't exaggerate his crimes and blatantly make up new ones there is just no reason for CCP to ban him.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#5789 - 2014-03-27 17:46:20 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
If I were to repeat myself any more I would be mistaken for a parrot


Well you know how to solve that problem.

I'm pretty sure that has more to do with the quality of your statements, not the quantity or repetitiveness of them.

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LordOfDespair
Deep Dark Fantasy.
#5790 - 2014-03-27 17:46:38 UTC
Soldarius wrote:
http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/03/25/heres-some-of-the-cyberbullying-that-happens-in-eve-online/

It's happening.



"and this is why I don't play Eve anymore."

"EVE is like a Shamwow for assholes."

"Number one reason why I will never ever play EVE."

"Always liked the idea of this game but I feel the community would be too much hassle."

"With such winning personalities like this, it's not a wonder why CCP are trying to make entirely different games."

"Eve, a great place for jerks to congregate and pretend they're good at something, when in reality the only thing they're good it is being douche bags"

"Eve is full of psychopaths and sociopaths. This isn't surprising. "

"Do something about it? CCP encourages this sort of behavior. They think it's funny."



Yeah, way to make us all look bad E1. GTFO.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#5791 - 2014-03-27 17:46:57 UTC
"I was on a B-52 that got shot down over Vietnam and the Viet Cong tortured me for years"

"That's nothing man I know a guy who was tortured by some dudes over the Internet in a teamspeak server"

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5792 - 2014-03-27 17:47:17 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Oh and thanks a lot guys. I cut a bet with my spouse that this thread would be locked before it hit 300 pages. You people are going to cost me a fancy sit-down meal.

That's torture.

I want permabans for everyone!


This is why I stick with Somer for my gambling needs. The odds are better and don't rely as much on speculation.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Lady Areola Fappington
#5793 - 2014-03-27 17:48:13 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Oh and thanks a lot guys. I cut a bet with my spouse that this thread would be locked before it hit 300 pages. You people are going to cost me a fancy sit-down meal.

That's torture.

I want permabans for everyone!



Go for a bonus round: make it sushi - you still have 10 pages to go.




I tried. Spouse already has the place picked out, it's some pretentious place with a tasting menu. I consider fancy dining to be "Go inside McDs and sit down to eat."

I'm not complaining TOO hard though. Tenth anniversary!

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#5794 - 2014-03-27 17:49:10 UTC
And another business day passes in CCP Iceland with no acknowledgement whatsoever, other that falcon shutting down duplicate threads. Eterne spends his day tweeting about how awesome Fanfest is and commenting on how cute some animae shot also tweeted.

But zero about this scandal, in any way.
I know it will take likely take weeks to make some decision on this, but it is terrible business practice from a PR perspective not to acknowledge there is a crisis.
Salvos Rhoska
#5795 - 2014-03-27 17:49:14 UTC
Andski wrote:
"I was on a B-52 that got shot down over Vietnam and the Viet Cong tortured me for years"

"That's nothing man I know a guy who was tortured by some dudes over the Internet in a teamspeak server"


I'm pretty sure any vet,ever, who has been tortured, or anyone who has been tortured, would agree that torture, no matter how slight some may perceive it as, is still wrong, in ALL its occurances.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5796 - 2014-03-27 17:49:15 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Andski wrote:
This is bullshit and you clearly have no clue what you're talking about

Something vaguely fulfilling an open-ended definition of "torture" does not, in fact, make it torture


See the elaboration in my sig, for the specifics of how this conduct constitutes torture.


News just in, the X-Factor is now considered torture.


Especially when you're not forced to watch it, or actually even wilfully switch to the channel that it's on right at the time you know it's about to start. X-Factor needs to be banned for torturing all those people that wanted to watch it.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#5797 - 2014-03-27 17:49:40 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Waiting for Salvos to weigh in on "reasonable expectation". He takes a while to answer my questions, and usually goes on a tangent instead. :)


What are you talking about.


I asked you... is the really a "reasonable expectation" that asking someone to single Gummy Bears the the Rescue will cause "acute psychological pain"?

I mean... if I waterboard someone, it's reasonable to expect that they will experience acute physical and psychological pain.

But asking them to sing a song?

Where's the line?

And how do you define "psychological pain"? Is being angry pain? Is being uncomfortable "pain"?

Are you saying that the act of torture is defined only by how the recipient of the act experiences it? So the act is defined by the outcome, not the act itself?

Is that why we have "manslaughter" vs "murder" and "intent to sell" vs "personal usage"?

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Imryn Xaran
Coherent Light Enterprises
#5798 - 2014-03-27 17:49:45 UTC
lollerwaffle wrote:
Imryn Xaran wrote:
Where CCP should step in is when a players actions (either in or out of game) threaten to damage their intellectual property. I imagine that Riptard is reaching out to every news outlet he can reach to try to spread this story right now.

Agreed. But in the same post you also say this?
Quote:
In my opinion what CCP should do is make a public example of E1. A lifetime ban, bio massing all his accounts and assets, a permanent ban on his name, address, cards – everything. The reason given should be “Bringing CCP’s IP into disrepute”.

So CCP should lifetime ban the person who did something to another player (not based on him breaking any rules, but just on public opinion), but does not take action against the player who, to quote "I imagine that Riptard is reaching out to every news outlet he can reach to try to spread this story right now."

Logic behind that?


My logic is that E1 made the recording public, Riptard is merely trying to draw attention to it. I would argue that any damage caused to CCP's reputation would be the result of E1's actions not Riptards.

I want CCP to make the ban to limit the damage and if they were to also ban Riptard it would have the opposite effect - "CCP bans whistle blower who uncovers sick truth about EVE Online" wouldn't really limit the damage would it?

I'm not claiming it's fair to ban E1 for this, I'm saying CCP can and should do it to protect their bottom line.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#5799 - 2014-03-27 17:49:49 UTC
LordOfDespair wrote:




Yeah, way to make us all look bad E1. GTFO.


Those people say the same thing about every scam they see. Also most ganks. And all the fights. Plus that time we deadzoned that station. Also anything goons do.

In short these people will never play a game like EVE anyway.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#5800 - 2014-03-27 17:50:03 UTC
PinkPanter wrote:
LordOfDespair wrote:
"The National Crime Prevention Council defines cyberbullying as “the process of using the Internet, cell phones or other devices to send or post text or images intended to hurt or embarrass another person."

Hes a cyberbully, records it for his other cyberbully friends to see. Simple as that.


QFT

Of course nether text nor images were used in this case. It was only voice communication.

However cute your post is, that really isn't the whole definition now is it? Smile

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