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Korhaka Mirunas
Doomheim
#5541 - 2014-03-27 16:13:35 UTC
Daeusvar wrote:
Throwing my support behind the 'Ban Erotica 1' bandwagon.

CCP I strongly hope you listen to your community on this one.

The EVE player base does not lose their proverbial **** over scammers. Not like this.

Erotica 1 is a vile, sociopathic piece of work and the allegations of coercion to provide naked pics of significant others should be passed on to the relevant authorities.

Goons, even you guys kicked him for being a creepy scum bag. Please provide what evidence you can to CCP of these allegations.

In game ramifications only are not enough, legal authorities need to be involved.



You want CCP to listen to a community that cant even agree with its self? And have you actually listened to the clip, or just taking someone else's word for what happens within it.

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Ssieth
Celestial Inc
Dracarys.
#5542 - 2014-03-27 16:13:47 UTC
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
277....ish pages of rage, trolling, and other misc stuff.

When will it get locked/deleted?

Only time will tell!


Soon I hope. It should be obvious to everyone now that this is an issue that polarizes the community. One on which there will be no agreement and only really a chance for things to spiral down lower in the gutter.

Clearly it's something that CCP need to take seriously, the depth of feeling in the community (on both sides) is clear and it needs CCP to think hard about this and to produce a definitive statement that will hopefully left folks move on.

What it really _doesn't_ need is pages and pages of more opinions on whether someone should or shouldn't face the ban-hammer.

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PinkPanter
Valhalla Drinking Team
#5543 - 2014-03-27 16:13:54 UTC  |  Edited by: PinkPanter
Danalee wrote:
PinkPanter wrote:
Danalee wrote:
PinkPanter wrote:

Lol you are talking to a alliance member that kicked E1 beacase of **** like that.
How more stupid can you get blunt razor?

And you know WHY I believe him? Beacuse it's one of extremely few cases where even a goon tries to stay away from it and definitely does not want to be associated with.
That alone is a ******* miracle and solid proof how far E1 is pushing people.


I don't care of who's in on the crusade against another player. I'm posting in regards to this posse formed by a vindictive csm against someone who just scammed some players and asked them to sing songs.

I don't care one iota for any internal politics in goons or who kicked who for what. It is irrelevant.
I listened to the recording and heard someone having a laugh and someone being a bigot, a racist and threatening a fellow man with murder.

Try and take it any direction you want but this says a lot more about you than it does about me.

My razor is quite sharp, thank you very much.

And that's your problem and narrow mindset.
Want to know the FACTS? Keep digging instead of satisfying yourself with the first page of words and ignore everything else.

Bravo. Tabloids must be your daily routine for world news and politics.


Unlike you, I've read everything posted and have spoken to many of the people involved.
Unless you can provide me with proof to the contrary of what my proof points out, I'm quite confident in bringing this madness to light.

D.

Bear


I'm sure CCP already knows it.
Now will somebody give us a link to posts that contain material that will give you a insta ban here at least on forums??
People are not stupid. you are though and your mind is tiny blunt razor.

LAWL
Razefummel
Unknown Dimension
#5544 - 2014-03-27 16:14:18 UTC
Just a little thing from a Carebear like me:

We read the EULA and ToS. After that we will see that scamming ist ALLOWED. Than we will see if this Soundcloud file is an case of harrasement or not.

IF it is --> Permaban
IF it´s NOT --> Nothing has to happen.

Just as easy as that. And CCP allone has to decide IF or IF NOT.
Otherwise we coud just burn the next witch after that.

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Salvos Rhoska
#5545 - 2014-03-27 16:14:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Qalix wrote:
---BTW, you can stop posting now. Nothing you say or do is going to change any minds. It will, however, increase the page count, dilute your and other arguments, and place the really good tidbits out of reach of everyone who isn't willing to wade through 300 pages of trolling/reverse trolling/bad poasting.


It gives CCP cause to thoroughly investigate and audit Erotica1's activities in any extension to the service they provide.

For an elaboration on how Erotica1's conduct in the Bonus Room constitutes torture:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4400219#post4400219

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#5546 - 2014-03-27 16:15:57 UTC
Druthlen wrote:
Kirsi Kirjasto wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Ssieth wrote:
It's pretty pure and simple really. If this is the sort of behaviour that CCP are happy to be associated with EVE then they need do nothing but shrug and say "it's the nature of EVE, live with it".

If they don't want this sort of behaviour to be associated with EVE then they need to take a strong stance (altering EULA if required).

Sittining in the middle doing nothing looks a bit weak no matter what they think.


If you're talking about the carebears hauling pitchforks up to Ero's doorstep, then yes, CCP needs to start cleaning up this thread. Better yet, lock it and be done with it. Because no behaviour has been worse than that on display in this thread by the carebears with the pitchforks wishing for harmful things to befall Ero IRL. Not even Sokhar's.


Really.
It shows how completely worthless the forum moderation is around here.

Broken rules generally get threads locked, usually on the flimsiest of pretenses.

IE: A thread gets trolled by asshats. If CCP just 'doesn't like' the subject because it puts them in a bad light - BAM - thread locked for trolling.

On the other hand, of the mods LIKE the topic - "Hey, lets allow 260 pages of hate slamming Erotica 1 as a pretense for nerfing his playstyle!" - Well, then rules don't matter and the ISD's are directed to go on vacation.

Trolling, hate, personal attacks, this thread has it all. But guess what, its still chugging along.

CCP Falcon and the forum mods have really shamed themselves here and deserve any lack of respect hey have earned.


Torturing a person in TS is not a playstyle. Its just sick.

I agree. If the "victim" considers singing a song and reading text upon request torture, it is indeed sick that he willingly subjected himself to it for a couple of hours.

Takes all types I guess.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5547 - 2014-03-27 16:17:13 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Qalix wrote:
---BTW, you can stop posting now. Nothing you say or do is going to change any minds. It will, however, increase the page count, dilute your and other arguments, and place the really good tidbits out of reach of everyone who isn't willing to wade through 300 pages of trolling/reverse trolling/bad poasting.


It gives CCP cause to thoroughly investigate and audit Erotica1's activities in any extension to the service they provide.

For an elaboration on how Erotica1's conduct in the Bonus Room constitutes torture:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4400219#post4400219


CCP are quite aware you are a moron though, as is anyone that is capable of rational thought due to you demonstrating it of yourself time and again, as well as your outright lies, so they will ignore anything you say anyway. Why do you keep going?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#5548 - 2014-03-27 16:17:40 UTC
PinkPanter wrote:
Quick! I don't have anything factuous to say, let's shoot a messenger!


Nice...

D.

Bear

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Salvos Rhoska
#5549 - 2014-03-27 16:18:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Remiel Pollard wrote:
[CCP are quite aware you are a moron though, as is anyone that is capable of rational thought due to you demonstrating it of yourself time and again, as well as your outright lies, so they will ignore anything you say anyway. Why do you keep going?


Insults and ad hominem disregarded.

I keep going because it is my prerogative to do so, and I will not stand by idly while people are potentially being subjected to what constitutes torture, in a game that I love.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5550 - 2014-03-27 16:19:02 UTC
embrel wrote:


where's the proof that E1 never did that stuff? (personally, I don't care as this is not the point)



https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof

You cant prove a negative. There are many nasty things Erotica 1 is guilty of. As much as I would like Erotica 1 to be guilty of extorting explicit photos of someone, (something that he could easily be banned for) there is no proof that such a thing happened.

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Prince Kobol
#5551 - 2014-03-27 16:19:08 UTC
lollerwaffle wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
lollerwaffle wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
For that I believe he should be perma banned, of course many disagree which is there right.

Good post with solid reasoning. I disagree with the above, but let's just agree to disagree on that.

I do however have one thing to bring up. You believe that Erotica 1 should be banned based on what he did, rather than if he broke any rules. On the other hand, I find it distasteful that no less than a CSM, someone who should be objective in presenting his views, is inciting a hate campaign against one player. In addition, he is actually giving EVE a bad name by posting this on various blogs/internet posting sites etc. This would mean he may be at fault for breaching the following term of the EULA (no matter how vaguely it is written):
ToS wrote:

You may not organize nor be a member of any corporation or group within EVE Online that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies

Would Sokhar's racist and anti-ethnic views be considered as advocated by said CSM by omission?

Would you support a ban on the CSM in light of the above? Just curious to know where you stand on this.


If he was advocating these views then yes I would, however he is reporting what happened. The two whilst can look similar are completely different.

I doubt anybody would in any seriousness would say that Jester is in anyway shape or form advocating any of groups or philosophies

Then why does he not comment on the vile language and RL death threats uttered by the 'victim'?


Well since I am not Jester I can only hazard a guess.

I will guess and say he is giving Sokhar the benefit of the doubt because he was under severe distress and had been driven to the point where he lost all control.

Now not knowing Sokhar personally I have no idea if he has ever voiced these kind of view points before in a calm and rational manner.

Whilst I personally feel these views are abhorrent, I do consider myself a fair person and understand that under certain circumstances when a person is in a highly emotional state then can say things that they regret later on.

However with that and still giving him the benefit of the doubt that he only said the things that he did due to the pressure he was under and his state of mind, he should still receive a ban if E1 does.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5552 - 2014-03-27 16:19:17 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
[CCP are quite aware you are a moron though, as is anyone that is capable of rational thought due to you demonstrating it of yourself time and again, as well as your outright lies, so they will ignore anything you say anyway. Why do you keep going?


Insults and ad hominem disregarded.


It's not ad hominem if it's demonstrable. And it's not ad hominem if your arguments have been addressed. Which I've done.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
PinkPanter
Valhalla Drinking Team
#5553 - 2014-03-27 16:19:40 UTC  |  Edited by: PinkPanter
Danalee wrote:
PinkPanter wrote:
Quick! I don't have anything factuous to say, let's shoot a messenger!


Nice...

D.

Bear


haha.
I love how you go edit (type something UNDER my name) my post so you can quote yourself to prove yourself how stupid you are.

BLUNT RAZOR ftw

Impersonating is bannable offence BTW.


hahahahahahahaha
Bruce McRaven
Doomheim
#5554 - 2014-03-27 16:20:15 UTC
Just dropping in here to make sure this thread reaches 300 pages.

While I like scamming and the sandbox that this game provides I feel like this **** has gone too far.

But if CCP decides to swing the ban hammer why stop at Erotica 1?
I Riven I
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#5555 - 2014-03-27 16:20:34 UTC
If I ask my daughter to sing and I give her a donut, but in the end I dont give here anything.

Is this mental abuse? Should I go to jail because of it?


Tell me about my wrong doings please.
lollerwaffle
Perkone
Caldari State
#5556 - 2014-03-27 16:20:45 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:


Insults and ad hominem disregarded..

Hypocrisy at its finest.
Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#5557 - 2014-03-27 16:20:51 UTC
Ssieth wrote:
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
277....ish pages of rage, trolling, and other misc stuff.

When will it get locked/deleted?

Only time will tell!


Soon I hope. It should be obvious to everyone now that this is an issue that polarizes the community. One on which there will be no agreement and only really a chance for things to spiral down lower in the gutter.

Clearly it's something that CCP need to take seriously, the depth of feeling in the community (on both sides) is clear and it needs CCP to think hard about this and to produce a definitive statement that will hopefully left folks move on.

What it really _doesn't_ need is pages and pages of more opinions on whether someone should or shouldn't face the ban-hammer.

As per CCPs standards, they're hoping this will die down and they can sweep it under the rug.

As far as this thread goes and from E1s posts, no bans have been handed out. Both sides have a good argument to ban or not to ban. Whatever side of the fence CCP chooses to align itself to will have consequences.

E1 and friends/white knights next step is smugness and next "victim" if you decide to use that term.

Banhammers next step is more the likely a good old fashioned Jita riot with mass unsub.

...
Regis Solo
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#5558 - 2014-03-27 16:20:59 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
I welcome a civil debate between myself and Ripard on a neutral teamspeak moderated by Chribba.


Ok, he has spoken
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#5559 - 2014-03-27 16:21:17 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
It gives CCP cause to thoroughly investigate and audit Erotica1's activities in any extension to the service they provide.
And presumably do the same for the blog author since he is CSM.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5560 - 2014-03-27 16:21:18 UTC
PinkPanter wrote:
Danalee wrote:
PinkPanter wrote:
Quick! I don't have anything factuous to say, let's shoot a messenger!


Nice...

D.

Bear


I've never edited someone else's posts before


Liar.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104