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Kaius Fero
#5321 - 2014-03-27 14:55:12 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
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A cop can put a gun to your head, sure.

Ero didn't put a gun to Sokhar's head, doesn't wear a badge and doesn't carry state-sanctioned authority that Sokhar was bound to obey.

A drug dealer will also not draw a gun in order to force you to buy his sh1t. I'm sure that in the goon philosophy a drug dealer is a good guy, actually he is a hero. Because yeah.. he ease the pain of the addicts and also help the humanity to get rid of those too weak to resist drugs. Pretty valid argument, it reminds me of a last century ideology.

Anselmo & The Illegals
Tor Norman
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5322 - 2014-03-27 14:56:34 UTC
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Really ppl are supporting this ? All the in game scamming, pvp and what ever is fine, using Eve to pull someone out of the game so you can bully them isn't.

Even id they avoided the EULA and such this reflectts poorly on the Eve community and saying he did nothing wrong in game so it's fine is laughable. They used Eve to put him in the situation.

Send this to all the gaming sites BBC etc and see what the general response is.

Its not about Eve its about being a decent human being.

Tal

"His mark can leave the conversation at any time they choose."

I talk about EVE trading and general space violence in my blog.

For the ISK and the yarr!
Tor Norman
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5323 - 2014-03-27 14:57:21 UTC
Kaius Fero wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
...

A cop can put a gun to your head, sure.

Ero didn't put a gun to Sokhar's head, doesn't wear a badge and doesn't carry state-sanctioned authority that Sokhar was bound to obey.

A drug dealer will also not draw a gun in order to force you to buy his ****.

So space money is narcotics, now?

I talk about EVE trading and general space violence in my blog.

For the ISK and the yarr!
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5324 - 2014-03-27 14:57:40 UTC
Kaius Fero wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
...

A cop can put a gun to your head, sure.

Ero didn't put a gun to Sokhar's head, doesn't wear a badge and doesn't carry state-sanctioned authority that Sokhar was bound to obey.

A drug dealer will also not draw a gun in order to force you to buy his ****. I'm sure that in the goon philosophy a drug dealer is a good guy, actually he is a hero. Because yeah.. he ease the pain of the addicts and also help the humanity to get rid of those too weak to resist drugs. Pretty valid argument, it reminds me of a last century ideology.


This is just so far left field that I don't know where to begin. In order to force someone to do anything, you have to deny them a choice. Ero did not deny Sokhar the choice to hand over his assets to begin with, so your analogy is invalidated right there. Also invalidated automatically by "Grr Goons". What the **** do the Goons have to do with it? A whole bunch of them have been in the forums condemning Ero right along with you.

Crazy numpty.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#5325 - 2014-03-27 14:58:29 UTC
Talon SilverHawk wrote:

Send this to all the gaming sites BBC etc and see what the general response is.


Isn't BBC busy making things up so people get killed for real in real shooting wars.

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~
Prince Kobol
#5326 - 2014-03-27 14:59:28 UTC
Tor Norman wrote:
Kaius Fero wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
...

A cop can put a gun to your head, sure.

Ero didn't put a gun to Sokhar's head, doesn't wear a badge and doesn't carry state-sanctioned authority that Sokhar was bound to obey.

A drug dealer will also not draw a gun in order to force you to buy his ****.

So space money is narcotics, now?


Lol of course not, however if your space pixels and space money mean nothing to you, just give away everything you have to the some random guy and start over again.

After, it just a bunch if pixels
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#5327 - 2014-03-27 14:59:37 UTC
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Really ppl are supporting this ? All the in game scamming, pvp and what ever is fine, using Eve to pull someone out of the game so you can bully them isn't.

Even id they avoided the EULA and such this reflectts poorly on the Eve community and saying he did nothing wrong in game so it's fine is laughable. They used Eve to put him in the situation.

Send this to all the gaming sites BBC etc and see what the general response is.

Its not about Eve its about being a decent human being.

Tal

Welcome to the thunderdome!

As not to tire you with facts presented in this 260+ paged thread, I'll give you the cliffnotes;
I'm gonna post this every time someone beats the poor dead horse;

What happend;
Ero: Give me your isk and I double it.
Adult ATC: Here's all my isk
Ero: haha, you need to come on teamspeak and win a bonus round where I invent the rules as we go
Adult ATC: ok
Ero: read this text please
Adult ATC: Ok, N-BOMB, Gaybash, shout, scream, rant
Ero: Sing songs
Adult ATC: NO! N-BOMB, Gaybash, shout, scream, rant
Adult ATC: I'l gonna kill you!
Adult ATC: My wife will come and scream at you some more

How it should have been;
Ero: Give me your isk and I double it.
Adult ATC: Here's all my isk
Ero: haha, you need to come on teamspeak and win a bonus round where I invent the rules as we go
Adult ATC: Wait what? Naaaah... You scammed me, well played.

What normal people do:
Ero: Give me your isk and I double it.
Adult ATC: No way dude, I know it's just pixels but I want to buy space bling with them.

Riptar started a crusade because asking someone to sing = TORTURE in some twisted way and sheeple are piling on to confirm their stupidity.

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
PinkPanter
Valhalla Drinking Team
#5328 - 2014-03-27 14:59:50 UTC  |  Edited by: PinkPanter
Remiel Pollard wrote:



Dude, let's go back to the start where Sokhar WILLINGLY GAVE ERO THOSE ASSETS TO BEGIN WITH.

Okay, now that we're at the beginning, let's try some rational thought shall we?

Go.


AND THAT"S WHERE IT WAS SUPPOSED TO END AND ALL WOULD BE FINE.

Like caps? Hope you can read it now cause damn you are one braincell away from reaching veggie level of thinking.
Bayonnefrog
Blueprint Mania
#5329 - 2014-03-27 14:59:50 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
For me there are 3 main issues here.

Did E1 break any rules?

The way the rules are written they are open to interpretation. Some say that he did break them, other say he didn't, nobody here can say with any certainty whether he did or did not break them as we didn't write them, we can only give our opinions, only CCP say that he did or did not definitely.

Should he be banned on Ethical and Morale grounds?

I will agree that this is a very difficult decision to make. Do we want the stereotype that we all psychopaths hell bent on making every bodies life hell reinforced.

I believe we have one of the best communities in the gaming world yet the overriding perception of many gamers outside of Eve is the opposite.

My opinion is that E1 only has reinforced the negative views people already have of Eve players. He took something which is one of Eve greatest assets and turned it something which it was never meant to be, a way of doing nothing but causing a person as much humiliation as possible Out of Game.

For that I believe he should be perma banned, of course many disagree which is there right.

Should Sohkar also be banned if E1 is?

Yes. Even thou I deplore E1's actions, there is no excuse for using the language that Sohkar did. Many will argue that he was under duress and in a highly emotional state when he made those comments and that he apologised afterwards.

This does not matter, not to ban him for a period of time would open a door that would basically kill Eve.

You would just have petition after petition being raise with this person said x,y and z in comms.

I would not perma ban him because of the circumstance of the situation, but he should still receive some kind of ban.


This seems reasonable. Ban both or none.
Bjurn Akely
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5330 - 2014-03-27 14:59:55 UTC
I think this thread has devolved into a quagmire of bickering about interpretation of law. I'm pretty sure there is someone professionally trained in law sitting laughing her/his arse of at it.

It would probably be best to leave the decisions what any repercussions in this matter should be up to CCP. But hey, do continue if you please, many of you seem to like it.

0,02 ISK that is all.
H aVo K
Tycheon Industries
#5331 - 2014-03-27 15:00:33 UTC
Talon SilverHawk wrote:

Its not about Eve its about being a decent human being.


http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18375933

What did that poor Caracal pilot do to deserve being ganged up on and killed by you and your friends?

How could a decent person kill another just because they had wandered into "the wrong" space?
Druthlen
The Carlisle Group
#5332 - 2014-03-27 15:00:40 UTC
Tor Norman wrote:
Kaius Fero wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
...

A cop can put a gun to your head, sure.

Ero didn't put a gun to Sokhar's head, doesn't wear a badge and doesn't carry state-sanctioned authority that Sokhar was bound to obey.

A drug dealer will also not draw a gun in order to force you to buy his ****.

So space money is narcotics, now?


Lets be honest we pay real money to get access to this space money. It has value.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5333 - 2014-03-27 15:01:07 UTC
Druthlen wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Druthlen wrote:


Torturing a person in TS is not a playstyle. Its just sick.


Tell me....

Have you ever been tortured?

Do you understand what torture is?


People don't normally submit to it willingly like Sokhar did. If anything, the fact that he consented to everything indicates he was enjoying himself.



It wasn't willing. E1 had a hostage(the pixels) which Sokhar felt he could save. Was Sokhar irresponsible with the pixels yes but he still cared for them.


In order for Ero to have them, what does Sokhar need to do?

Huh? Think about it a moment.

That's right, HE HAS TO HAND THEM OVER WILLINGLY YOU DUMB CHUMP.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Prince Kobol
#5334 - 2014-03-27 15:01:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Kaius Fero wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
...

A cop can put a gun to your head, sure.

Ero didn't put a gun to Sokhar's head, doesn't wear a badge and doesn't carry state-sanctioned authority that Sokhar was bound to obey.

A drug dealer will also not draw a gun in order to force you to buy his ****. I'm sure that in the goon philosophy a drug dealer is a good guy, actually he is a hero. Because yeah.. he ease the pain of the addicts and also help the humanity to get rid of those too weak to resist drugs. Pretty valid argument, it reminds me of a last century ideology.


This is just so far left field that I don't know where to begin. In order to force someone to do anything, you have to deny them a choice. Ero did not deny Sokhar the choice to hand over his assets to begin with, so your analogy is invalidated right there. Also invalidated automatically by "Grr Goons". What the **** do the Goons have to do with it? A whole bunch of them have been in the forums condemning Ero right along with you.

Crazy numpty.


Well I suppose E1 was part of Goonswarm therefore he will always be a goon in some peoples eyes.

However I am curious which goons have publicly condemned E1.. they seem to be supporting him unless I missed one of their posts which is fairly easy to do in a thread like this.
Alp Khan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5335 - 2014-03-27 15:01:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Alp Khan
Xuixien wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
mynnna wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
mynnna wrote:
~snip~


Is there any evidence that Erotica 1 was the person who asked for the client to do any of that? I see a "we" in one of those quotes.

And Erotica 1 saying he didn't ask for the pictures...

...so. Any proof?

I'm guessing no, cuz Goon.


I was hoping for a challenge to the authenticity. Bear

Erotica 1/Beancounter Jaynara posting about other activities (to link the two people together)

The first post, bragging about almost getting someone to smear themselves in mayo.
The second post, proudly sharing the pics of someone's girlfriend.


So whats your point? He doesn't force anyone to do anything. They do it of their own free will in order to gain wealth in a video game.


There is no point. She's trying to make insinuations, but doing a very poor job at it, because her post doesn't bear 5 seconds of critical thinking (well, not five seconds of my critical thinking... I'm sure the masses of sheeple will buy it hook line and sinker, which is what she's betting on. She will now resort to personal attacks in an attempt to discredit me, most likely).


No. Mynnna successfully connects Erotica 1 to even worse psychopathic acts he has committed on victims he has sourced from EVE Online.

Mynnna shows that there is even worse to what Erotica 1 does than it was mentioned in Ripard Teg's original blog post.

So far, the only people who are insisting that Erotica 1's conduct is acceptable and not a series of psychopathic mental torture instilled on victims he sourced from EVE Online through out of game means is either an Erotica 1 associate, or Erotica 1 himself, by the virtue of being one of his army of alts.

You are not going to convince anybody or become successful at whitewashing Erotica 1. For your own benefit, contact a mental health care professional immediately.
Druthlen
The Carlisle Group
#5336 - 2014-03-27 15:01:46 UTC
H aVo K wrote:
Talon SilverHawk wrote:

Its not about Eve its about being a decent human being.


http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18375933

What did that poor Caracal pilot do to deserve being ganged up on and killed by you and your friends?

How could a decent person kill another just because they had wandered into "the wrong" space?


Oh we have someone that is using ingame villainy to try to justify out of game villainy. So because someone did it in a game should E1 be allowed to hurt others in rl? Please do tell.
Tor Norman
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5337 - 2014-03-27 15:01:46 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Tor Norman wrote:
Kaius Fero wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
...

A cop can put a gun to your head, sure.

Ero didn't put a gun to Sokhar's head, doesn't wear a badge and doesn't carry state-sanctioned authority that Sokhar was bound to obey.

A drug dealer will also not draw a gun in order to force you to buy his ****.

So space money is narcotics, now?


Lol of course not, however if your space pixels and space money mean nothing to you, just give away everything you have to the some random guy and start over again.

After, it just a bunch if pixels

My space pixels mean something to me, so I don't want to just give them away. That doesn't mean I'm addicted to them.

I talk about EVE trading and general space violence in my blog.

For the ISK and the yarr!
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#5338 - 2014-03-27 15:01:53 UTC
PinkPanter wrote:
AND THAT"S WHERE IT WAS SUPPOSE TO END AND ALL WOULD BE FINE.
Then why didn't Sohkar end it there?

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Qalix
Long Jump.
#5339 - 2014-03-27 15:02:12 UTC
does anyone know what the longest thread page count is? are we getting close to a record?
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#5340 - 2014-03-27 15:03:36 UTC
Druthlen wrote:
Oh we have someone that is using ingame villainy to try to justify out of game villainy. So because someone did it in a game should E1 be allowed to hurt others in rl? Please do tell.

>blowing up ships in a blowing-up-ships-game
>sing me some songs and i'll give you eleventy billion isk
>villany

Are you even trying?

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