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Jerome Gouillot
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#4841 - 2014-03-27 11:20:19 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Jerome Gouillot wrote:
The only thing that really makes me nervous is the fact, that the 'victim' is - at least as stated by himself - a flight controller.

Actually I think the choice he made towards the end of the recording to take the day off work (might have been night, I don't know) shows he's probably exactly the type of person who should be an ATC.

He clearly made a smart and responsible choice, recognising that he wasn't prepared for the responsibilities so soon after exploding. That's the type of responsible thinking, with a bigger view in mind, that I hope all ATCs have after an emotional meltdown.


I am not willing to lower my expectations to that level - he should have considered that before entering a situation that had the potential to harm his ability to do his job. This is like praising a school bus driver who was drinking the whole night as a responsible person for not coming to work while the real reason might have been that he was too drunk to find the door of his bedroom.
lollerwaffle
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#4842 - 2014-03-27 11:20:35 UTC
Space Juden wrote:


"We must reject the idea that every time a law's broken, society is guilty rather than the lawbreaker. It is time to restore the American precept that each individual is accountable for his actions."

-A mister Ronald Regan.

I too, enjoy applying double standards.
Kyperion
#4843 - 2014-03-27 11:21:43 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Kyperion wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Kyperion wrote:


If something doesn't dramatically change, EVE will only see behavior like this increase. As long as Scamming is allowed, there will only ever be more Erotica 1's in EVE.


Totally disagree.

Eve needs scamming, it a fantastic and fascinating element of the game. The problem is that in this instance it well past scamming.

This is somebody who has researched the EULA/TOS and RL Laws, is using our game to find people who are susceptible, then take them out of game in order to avoid any punishment, to simply humiliate and cause them as much mental anguish and pain as possible for their own sick and twisted amusement.


The problem is, the scamming attracts people Like Erotica 1.

Erotica 1 is not the only person to have come up with this.

and now that it is public, she sure won't be the last.

Eve does NOT need scamming... it needs more ways to get more people IN space... and preferrably in ships so they can blow each other up... scamming is just a ******* clown show.


You appear to have something personal against scamming. What did you lose?

The local chat in every trade hub system.....
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#4844 - 2014-03-27 11:21:47 UTC
Bunnie Hop wrote:
admiral root wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
So no CCP involvement or opinion of this type of behaviour originating in or taking place in their game?


As has been said more than once in this thread, they'll take their time and formulate what they believe to be a measured response. It's how they roll.


They have had ample time.


From memory, they took weeks to formulate a response on miner bumping, which I think most would agree is a trivial matter compared to this. Given some of the knee-jerk reactions and absurdity coming from some on both sides in this thread, I'd prefer CCP to think things over before making any decisions.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Wesley Otsdarva
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#4845 - 2014-03-27 11:22:07 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Wesley Otsdarva wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
So no CCP involvement or opinion of this type of behaviour originating in or taking place in their game? Well I might have some incentive for you, I forwarded all these links and audio files to the ESRB for review of your Teen rating. Perhaps a Mature rating will be more suitable, though will no doubt limit your player base potential. CCP, get control of this.


Well in truth I think many people are amused that Eve is somehow rated "Teen" by the ESRB and "12" by the PEGI.

When you see what is said in chat channels, Public, Alliance and Corp, I would never let my kids with 10 feet of Eve.



Unfortunately Online Interaction is not rated by the ESRB. The only criteria they look for is what can be derived from the gameplay. Not from players. And this game lacks the nudity, sexual references, and profanity that it would require to get above a T rating.




It is, Eve Online is rated T by the ESRB. Just go to their website and search for Eve Online


I know it's rated by ESRB. But Online interaction, meaning what can happen between two people. Is not rated by the ESRB. They only look for aspects that can be derived from gameplay interacting with NPCs.

If they would sit in jita local and rate this game. Or in some alliance chats. They would indeed rate it differently if it were their policy.
embrel
BamBam Inc.
#4846 - 2014-03-27 11:22:09 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:

You lower him to cattle the moment you suggest he lost his own individual agency, the moment when you suggest he no longer controls his actions. If that is the case you wish to pursue, so be it. But I will not insult the dignity of the man in question by making such a suggestion.


So you think it was a mature adult there (anywhere in the room)?

Whether I lower someone or not, I don't think that there was anywhere what I'd call good PR for us human beings.
Abrei-Kaii
Petrolinvest
#4847 - 2014-03-27 11:22:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Abrei-Kaii
Fail Edit is Fail, sorry for doubble post...
Prince Kobol
#4848 - 2014-03-27 11:22:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
baltec1 wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:


Whilst much of this is true, do we as a community really want somebody who uses our game to find people in order to humiliate and cause as much mental pain and anguish as he can in order to for-fill his sick twisted pleasures?

The reason he takes it out of game is because he knows, or thinks CCP can not / will not act and for no other reason.


The reason he uses TS is simply because its better than EVE voice and can record. Its the same reason why every single corp runs its own TS and why alliances use mumble.

When did asking someone to read out a script (in this case the code) and sing songs become "mental pain and anguish".

I have had much worse reaction from people simply by blowing up their ship and podding them. I guess we should ban that too?


Sorry Baltec but E1 has admitted he takes out of game to avoid the EULA/TOS himself, not because external voice comms are better (which they are).

Also, have you ever gotten somebody who has a speech impediment and mock him continuously for hours?
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#4849 - 2014-03-27 11:23:02 UTC
Jerome Gouillot wrote:
I am not willing to lower my expectations to that level - he should have considered that before entering a situation that had the potential to harm his ability to do his job. This is like praising a school bus driver who was drinking the whole night as a responsible person for not coming to work while the real reason might have been that he was too drunk to find the door of his bedroom.


Yep I can accept that view too. +1.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#4850 - 2014-03-27 11:23:39 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:


Whilst much of this is true, do we as a community really want somebody who uses our game to find people in order to humiliate and cause as much mental pain and anguish as he can in order to for-fill his sick twisted pleasures?

The reason he takes it out of game is because he knows, or thinks CCP can not / will not act and for no other reason.


The reason he uses TS is simply because its better than EVE voice and can record. Its the same reason why every single corp runs its own TS and why alliances use mumble.

When did asking someone to read out a script (in this case the code) and sing songs become "mental pain and anguish".

I have had much worse reaction from people simply by blowing up their ship and podding them. I guess we should ban that too?


Sorry Baltec but E1 has admitted he takes out of game to avoid the EULA/TOS himself, not because external voice comms are better (which they are).


Could you link this?
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4851 - 2014-03-27 11:24:24 UTC
Kyperion wrote:

The local chat in every trade hub system.....


So is this really about concern for the health of the game, or do you want to be able to accept contracts without having to actually read them?

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PinkPanter
Valhalla Drinking Team
#4852 - 2014-03-27 11:24:32 UTC
CCP still silent huh?

****** up.
Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#4853 - 2014-03-27 11:24:33 UTC
Wesley Otsdarva wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Wesley Otsdarva wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
So no CCP involvement or opinion of this type of behaviour originating in or taking place in their game? Well I might have some incentive for you, I forwarded all these links and audio files to the ESRB for review of your Teen rating. Perhaps a Mature rating will be more suitable, though will no doubt limit your player base potential. CCP, get control of this.


Well in truth I think many people are amused that Eve is somehow rated "Teen" by the ESRB and "12" by the PEGI.

When you see what is said in chat channels, Public, Alliance and Corp, I would never let my kids with 10 feet of Eve.



Unfortunately Online Interaction is not rated by the ESRB. The only criteria they look for is what can be derived from the gameplay. Not from players. And this game lacks the nudity, sexual references, and profanity that it would require to get above a T rating.




It is, Eve Online is rated T by the ESRB. Just go to their website and search for Eve Online


I know it's rated by ESRB. But Online interaction, meaning what can happen between two people. Is not rated by the ESRB. They only look for aspects that can be derived from gameplay interacting with NPCs.

If they would sit in jita local and rate this game. Or in some alliance chats. They would indeed rate it differently if it were their policy.


Then it is time to affect the way in which they give ratings.
Abrei-Kaii
Petrolinvest
#4854 - 2014-03-27 11:24:47 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Dieterlin wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
What exactly and specifically must the victim do in order to win the Bonus Round?

Is it so, that it is required that the victim must submit to commensurate abuse, humiliation, degradation, and the assignment of arbitrary demands, in order to win?


There is no win condition. I'm pretty sure this has been established. It's just for Ero1's amusement.


People have won. The scam wouldn't work if you couldn't win.


Please provide proof
PinkPanter
Valhalla Drinking Team
#4855 - 2014-03-27 11:26:57 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:


Whilst much of this is true, do we as a community really want somebody who uses our game to find people in order to humiliate and cause as much mental pain and anguish as he can in order to for-fill his sick twisted pleasures?

The reason he takes it out of game is because he knows, or thinks CCP can not / will not act and for no other reason.


The reason he uses TS is simply because its better than EVE voice and can record. Its the same reason why every single corp runs its own TS and why alliances use mumble.

When did asking someone to read out a script (in this case the code) and sing songs become "mental pain and anguish".

I have had much worse reaction from people simply by blowing up their ship and podding them. I guess we should ban that too?


Sorry Baltec but E1 has admitted he takes out of game to avoid the EULA/TOS himself, not because external voice comms are better (which they are).


Could you link this?


Try around pages 70-120 I think not sure though.
At least two other people (apparently frequents) stated clearly that they made sure to work in a way that will dodge EULA simply to avoid ban hammer.

It was quoted too I think so have to be there somewhere.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4856 - 2014-03-27 11:27:29 UTC
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Then it is time to affect the way in which they give ratings.


The only solution that could arise from this is to rate every online game as R18, since anything could happen in an online interaction between 2 people. Alternatively you could just do what parents should do & control what your child has access to.

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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#4857 - 2014-03-27 11:27:35 UTC
PinkPanter wrote:
CCP still silent huh?

****** up.


CCP will ban everyone participating in this thread.

Gotta throw out the rabble for the future EVE Utopia where everyone will hold hands and sing until the UFO's come and them away.

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~
lollerwaffle
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#4858 - 2014-03-27 11:27:39 UTC
Bunnie Hop wrote:
So no CCP involvement or opinion of this type of behaviour originating in or taking place in their game? Well I might have some incentive for you, I forwarded all these links and audio files to the ESRB for review of your Teen rating. Perhaps a Mature rating will be more suitable, though will no doubt limit your player base potential. CCP, get control of this.

Note, thanks Prince Kobol for reminding me of PEGI, they too have since been contacted with links to audio, forum, etc for review and hopefully action.

proof or stfu
Kyperion
#4859 - 2014-03-27 11:28:01 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Kyperion wrote:

The local chat in every trade hub system.....


So is this really about concern for the health of the game, or do you want to be able to accept contracts without having to actually read them?

Sigh, Sarcasm is so wasted on the fool.

I generally don't want to have a bunch of annoying douchebags cluttering up the channel.
Tor Norman
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4860 - 2014-03-27 11:28:12 UTC
Kyperion wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
You appear to have something personal against scamming. What did you lose?

The local chat in every trade hub system.....

Something wrong with your block feature?

I talk about EVE trading and general space violence in my blog.

For the ISK and the yarr!