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Kyperion
#4821 - 2014-03-27 11:12:12 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Kyperion wrote:


If something doesn't dramatically change, EVE will only see behavior like this increase. As long as Scamming is allowed, there will only ever be more Erotica 1's in EVE.


Totally disagree.

Eve needs scamming, it a fantastic and fascinating element of the game. The problem is that in this instance it well past scamming.

This is somebody who has researched the EULA/TOS and RL Laws, is using our game to find people who are susceptible, then take them out of game in order to avoid any punishment, to simply humiliate and cause them as much mental anguish and pain as possible for their own sick and twisted amusement.


The problem is, the scamming attracts people Like Erotica 1.

Erotica 1 is not the only person to have come up with this.

and now that it is public, she sure won't be the last.

Eve does NOT need scamming... it needs more ways to get more people IN space... and preferrably in ships so they can blow each other up... scamming is just a ******* clown show.
Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#4822 - 2014-03-27 11:12:53 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
So no CCP involvement or opinion of this type of behaviour originating in or taking place in their game? Well I might have some incentive for you, I forwarded all these links and audio files to the ESRB for review of your Teen rating. Perhaps a Mature rating will be more suitable, though will no doubt limit your player base potential. CCP, get control of this.


Well in truth I think many people are amused that Eve is somehow rated "Teen" by the ESRB and "12" by the PEGI.

When you see what is said in chat channels, Public, Alliance and Corp, I would never let my kids with 10 feet of Eve.


I agree, I do let my oldest daughter play but only when she is with me or my husband and she is not allowed to talk to anyone ingame not on her approved contacts list. I didn't know it was rated 12 by PEGI, I will see if that can be changed as well.
Dieterlin
Reckless-Endangerment
Manifesto.
#4823 - 2014-03-27 11:13:16 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
What exactly and specifically must the victim do in order to win the Bonus Round?

Is it so, that it is required that the victim must submit to commensurate abuse, humiliation, degradation, and the assignment of arbitrary demands, in order to win?


There is no win condition. I'm pretty sure this has been established. It's just for Ero1's amusement.
Prince Kobol
#4824 - 2014-03-27 11:13:26 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Kyperion wrote:

If something doesn't dramatically change, EVE will only see behavior like this increase. As long as Scamming is allowed, there will only ever be more Erotica 1's in EVE.


So which was worse;

Asking someone to read the cose, wikipedia and sing two songs (one from disney) in an event lasting 2 hours (including time spent with the contestant tossing racial abuse and death threats about)

Or

A 230 page threadnought of people comparing the above player to a rapist, pedophile and torturer by people who have not even listened to the recording, many of which have expressed that they would enjoy to see RL violence happen to E1. People who are saying they have reported him to media outlets and police and generally trying to get as much publicity as possible put onto both E1 and the contestant without any background into what exactly the bonus room is all about. A campaign of hate that has now lasted for days.




Whilst much of this is true, do we as a community really want somebody who uses our game to find people in order to humiliate and cause as much mental pain and anguish as he can in order to for-fill his sick twisted pleasures?

The reason he takes it out of game is because he knows, or thinks CCP can not / will not act and for no other reason.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#4825 - 2014-03-27 11:13:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
What exactly and specifically must the victim do in order to win the Bonus Round?

Is it so, that it is required that the victim must submit to commensurate abuse, humiliation, degradation, and the assignment of arbitrary demands, in order to win?

Salvos, I think you might have a scratch, because the record keeps repeating.

That or you've set a bot to post the same message over and over.

A message direct to Erotica 1 might be the quickest way to receive a response that approaches something you are hoping for (I have doubts, but you never know).
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4826 - 2014-03-27 11:14:11 UTC
Kyperion wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Kyperion wrote:


If something doesn't dramatically change, EVE will only see behavior like this increase. As long as Scamming is allowed, there will only ever be more Erotica 1's in EVE.


Totally disagree.

Eve needs scamming, it a fantastic and fascinating element of the game. The problem is that in this instance it well past scamming.

This is somebody who has researched the EULA/TOS and RL Laws, is using our game to find people who are susceptible, then take them out of game in order to avoid any punishment, to simply humiliate and cause them as much mental anguish and pain as possible for their own sick and twisted amusement.


The problem is, the scamming attracts people Like Erotica 1.

Erotica 1 is not the only person to have come up with this.

and now that it is public, she sure won't be the last.

Eve does NOT need scamming... it needs more ways to get more people IN space... and preferrably in ships so they can blow each other up... scamming is just a ******* clown show.


You appear to have something personal against scamming. What did you lose?

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Tor Norman
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4827 - 2014-03-27 11:14:17 UTC
Bunnie Hop wrote:
So no CCP involvement or opinion of this type of behaviour originating in or taking place in their game? Well I might have some incentive for you, I forwarded all these links and audio files to the ESRB for review of your Teen rating. Perhaps a Mature rating will be more suitable, though will no doubt limit your player base potential. CCP, get control of this.

Not sure if that'll help. The guy that fell for the scam was an adult.

I talk about EVE trading and general space violence in my blog.

For the ISK and the yarr!
Salvos Rhoska
#4828 - 2014-03-27 11:14:19 UTC
Dieterlin wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
What exactly and specifically must the victim do in order to win the Bonus Round?

Is it so, that it is required that the victim must submit to commensurate abuse, humiliation, degradation, and the assignment of arbitrary demands, in order to win?


There is no win condition. I'm pretty sure this has been established. It's just for Ero1's amusement.


If there is no win condition, then all the Bonus Room constitutes, is an arena for abuse of the victim.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Wesley Otsdarva
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#4829 - 2014-03-27 11:14:34 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
So no CCP involvement or opinion of this type of behaviour originating in or taking place in their game? Well I might have some incentive for you, I forwarded all these links and audio files to the ESRB for review of your Teen rating. Perhaps a Mature rating will be more suitable, though will no doubt limit your player base potential. CCP, get control of this.


Well in truth I think many people are amused that Eve is somehow rated "Teen" by the ESRB and "12" by the PEGI.

When you see what is said in chat channels, Public, Alliance and Corp, I would never let my kids with 10 feet of Eve.



Unfortunately Online Interaction is not rated by the ESRB. The only criteria they look for is what can be derived from the gameplay. Not from players. And this game lacks the nudity, sexual references, and profanity that it would require to get above a T rating.

Prince Kobol
#4830 - 2014-03-27 11:15:16 UTC
Kyperion wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Kyperion wrote:


If something doesn't dramatically change, EVE will only see behavior like this increase. As long as Scamming is allowed, there will only ever be more Erotica 1's in EVE.


Totally disagree.

Eve needs scamming, it a fantastic and fascinating element of the game. The problem is that in this instance it well past scamming.

This is somebody who has researched the EULA/TOS and RL Laws, is using our game to find people who are susceptible, then take them out of game in order to avoid any punishment, to simply humiliate and cause them as much mental anguish and pain as possible for their own sick and twisted amusement.


The problem is, the scamming attracts people Like Erotica 1.

Erotica 1 is not the only person to have come up with this.

and now that it is public, she sure won't be the last.

Eve does NOT need scamming... it needs more ways to get more people IN space... and preferrably in ships so they can blow each other up... scamming is just a ******* clown show.


Totally wrong again.

This is why CCP have to act, because both inside, and more importantly outside the game people think we are all like E1.

I have scammed many people many times and will continue to do so, yet I would never even think about taking it anywhere even close to lengths E1 has taken it.
Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#4831 - 2014-03-27 11:16:30 UTC
I can see this debate is going strong...

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Dacus Minor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4832 - 2014-03-27 11:17:32 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
admiral root wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
So no CCP involvement or opinion of this type of behaviour originating in or taking place in their game?


As has been said more than once in this thread, they'll take their time and formulate what they believe to be a measured response. It's how they roll.


Well, or stick their collective heads in the sand for a few weeks hoping it will all go away Big smile


Not sure how much sand do they do have available... maybe they are looking for something to replace the sand with... It is a bit 'unsettling' the fact that there is no response from CCP. Or maybe they just don't care about some perceived 'moral image' as long as it has no effect on their pocket... wouldn't be for the first time.
Prince Kobol
#4833 - 2014-03-27 11:17:47 UTC
Wesley Otsdarva wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
So no CCP involvement or opinion of this type of behaviour originating in or taking place in their game? Well I might have some incentive for you, I forwarded all these links and audio files to the ESRB for review of your Teen rating. Perhaps a Mature rating will be more suitable, though will no doubt limit your player base potential. CCP, get control of this.


Well in truth I think many people are amused that Eve is somehow rated "Teen" by the ESRB and "12" by the PEGI.

When you see what is said in chat channels, Public, Alliance and Corp, I would never let my kids with 10 feet of Eve.



Unfortunately Online Interaction is not rated by the ESRB. The only criteria they look for is what can be derived from the gameplay. Not from players. And this game lacks the nudity, sexual references, and profanity that it would require to get above a T rating.




It is, Eve Online is rated T by the ESRB. Just go to their website and search for Eve Online
Abrei-Kaii
Petrolinvest
#4834 - 2014-03-27 11:17:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Abrei-Kaii
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
What exactly and specifically must the victim do in order to win the Bonus Round?

Is it so, that it is required that the victim must submit to commensurate abuse, humiliation, degradation, and the assignment of arbitrary demands, in order to win?



Reported for spam >.>

You have been told repeatedly that this whole sham is nothing more then a scam. Nothing more, nothing less.There is no winning the bonus round. The 'bonus round' is just there for rubbing it in, and having a little bit of fun (Though even I believe this borders on harassment) at the scam victims expense.

Please stop asking >.>
Kaius Fero
#4835 - 2014-03-27 11:18:06 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
What exactly and specifically must the victim do in order to win the Bonus Round?

...

The bonus round is held in a channel called... Glory Hole. Now.. we all know what GH means, right?

Anselmo & The Illegals
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#4836 - 2014-03-27 11:18:09 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:


Whilst much of this is true, do we as a community really want somebody who uses our game to find people in order to humiliate and cause as much mental pain and anguish as he can in order to for-fill his sick twisted pleasures?

The reason he takes it out of game is because he knows, or thinks CCP can not / will not act and for no other reason.


The reason he uses TS is simply because its better than EVE voice and can record. Its the same reason why every single corp runs its own TS and why alliances use mumble.

When did asking someone to read out a script (in this case the code) and sing songs become "mental pain and anguish".

I have had much worse reaction from people simply by blowing up their ship and podding them. I guess we should ban that too?
Maekchu
Doomheim
#4837 - 2014-03-27 11:18:30 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Kyperion wrote:


If something doesn't dramatically change, EVE will only see behavior like this increase. As long as Scamming is allowed, there will only ever be more Erotica 1's in EVE.


Totally disagree.

Eve needs scamming, it a fantastic and fascinating element of the game. The problem is that in this instance it well past scamming.

This is somebody who has researched the EULA/TOS and RL Laws, is using our game to find people who are susceptible, then take them out of game in order to avoid any punishment, to simply humiliate and cause them as much mental anguish and pain as possible for their own sick and twisted amusement.

And the fact that Erotica 1 used an out-of-game method of communication, makes it so that CCP can't do anything. We cannot expect CCP to take action against people, when they are not breaking the EULA of the game. The fact that, the participant agreed to partake in the event, makes this even a weaker case for any disciplinary actions.

Now whether or not it was a douche thing to do and whether or not you support such action, is a completely different matter. Personally, I don't think "bullying" anyone over a teamspeak is necessary and I probably would categorize that as a douche move.

CCP can do many things. But I don't think they are allowed to ban someone for being a **** outside of their game.

But scamming should stay, since it is part of EVE and it creates content. Be that good or bad.
Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#4838 - 2014-03-27 11:18:59 UTC
Tor Norman wrote:
Bunnie Hop wrote:
So no CCP involvement or opinion of this type of behaviour originating in or taking place in their game? Well I might have some incentive for you, I forwarded all these links and audio files to the ESRB for review of your Teen rating. Perhaps a Mature rating will be more suitable, though will no doubt limit your player base potential. CCP, get control of this.

Not sure if that'll help. The guy that fell for the scam was an adult.


Yes he was, but the fact it goes on should raise the rating so that parents don't blindly subject their children to this type of behaviour.
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#4839 - 2014-03-27 11:19:06 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Dieterlin wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
What exactly and specifically must the victim do in order to win the Bonus Round?

Is it so, that it is required that the victim must submit to commensurate abuse, humiliation, degradation, and the assignment of arbitrary demands, in order to win?


There is no win condition. I'm pretty sure this has been established. It's just for Ero1's amusement.


If there is no win condition, then all the Bonus Room constitutes, is an arena for abuse of the victim.


If being asked kindly to sing a song or two and read some text constitutes as abuse and in your mind makes you a victim....

YOU NEED HELP. NOW.
CCP, PLEASE CALL THE COPS ON THIS GUY, HE IS LOOSING IT.

I'm gonna post this every time someone beats the poor dead horse;

What happend;
Ero: Give me your isk and I double it.
Adult ATC: Here's all my isk
Ero: haha, you need to come on teamspeak and win a bonus round where I invent the rules as we go
Adult ATC: ok
Ero: read this text please
Adult ATC: Ok, N-BOMB, Gaybash, shout, scream, rant
Ero: Sing songs
Adult ATC: NO! N-BOMB, Gaybash, shout, scream, rant
Adult ATC: I'l gonna kill you!
Adult ATC: My wife will come and scream at you some more

How it should have been;
Ero: Give me your isk and I double it.
Adult ATC: Here's all my isk
Ero: haha, you need to come on teamspeak and win a bonus round where I invent the rules as we go
Adult ATC: Wait what? Naaaah... You scammed me, well played.

What normal people do:
Ero: Give me your isk and I double it.
Adult ATC: No way dude, I know it's just pixels but I want to buy space bling with them.


D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#4840 - 2014-03-27 11:19:17 UTC
Dieterlin wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
What exactly and specifically must the victim do in order to win the Bonus Round?

Is it so, that it is required that the victim must submit to commensurate abuse, humiliation, degradation, and the assignment of arbitrary demands, in order to win?


There is no win condition. I'm pretty sure this has been established. It's just for Ero1's amusement.


People have won. The scam wouldn't work if you couldn't win.