EVE General Discussion

IF you want a citation explaining the current understanding of PTSD, War Trauma and the like, consider reading or even just browsing???

On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society

Calling a Donkey an Ass, is just correct labeling.

Oh, right in the feels! He got me guys, I might not make it!

I always thought the poop added some color. Sohkar distinctly doesn't care for that color now does he?

That book should be required reading, along with "On Combat" and "Warrior Mindset"

Books aren't citations, and I'm not going to guy spend my money on a book over this. I know a fair bit about the subject already and I agree, there is a psychological cost to being responsible for the death of another human being. However, I've asked a question, based on analysis of the statistics, that so far I've been riddled with abuse for. I believe it's a fair question, and would like to know if you agree it's something worth contemplating.

Are people in the military or emergency services committing suicide due to their service, or is it because of other factors?

This is an important question to answer. If the answer is because of their service, then something about the service needs to be changed. If it is because of something else, then we need to focus our efforts there. If our efforts for change are not focused in the right place, these people will continue committing suicide. Nothing will change. It's like putting the wrong man behind bars while the actual killer continues to walk free to kill again.

Ah, plenty of firewood under the stake? Good, good.

"Thou shall not suffer a witch to live." ~Exodus 22:18

Btw, hope this reaches page 300. There are probably records to be broken.

Life is a sandbox of course. But every sandbox needs boundaries, otherwise things spiral out of control completely if people are left to their own whims and devices, hence there's a strong rule-set here in EVE.

Although it's also very lax in some ways, compared to many other MMOs, and this is what makes it so exciting imo.

At the end of the day players in any MMO will always push other players as far as they can get away with. That will never change.

People will also always attach emotion to their gaming investments and we'll see raging, meltdowns and threats. That will never change.

We cannot change the players. So there's really little point in telling folks like Erotica 1 that they are **** and need help. Likewise there's little point in telling those who meltdown to grow up. It's just how people are, and always will be.

But what can be changed is the environment.

A perfect example is places like Facebook and Twitter. Most of us have seen the stories over time come out of it where people have been abused, trolled or harassed in some form until they snap and hurt themselves or someone else. Did the media and lawmakers focus on deep arguments as to whether the antagonist or 'victim' is to blame? No they didn't, they focus on the one thing that can change and that's the websites themselves. Hence we see pressure from government to change these sites and laws introduced by them to try and prevent certain behaviour.

So, here in EVE, should something be done to further restrict what we're permitted to do?

Well, I have no problem with scamming, ganking, awoxing and robbing within the game. I also have no problem with Erotica 1, I don't know him. But I do know that we all get carried away sometimes and are subject to human nature. If I was Erotica 1 I would have stopped the bonus room when I realised this person was getting highly distressed in real-life as that is not what I aim to achieve when I play a game. And with that in mind I certainly wouldn't have published the audio of this poor guy so upset. We all need limits imposed on us because we as people cannot be trusted to keep within a reasonable boundary otherwise.

And in EVE that's where CCP comes in.

So yes, I believe we need to tighten up some rules in regard to this kind of thing. How? Well that's for greater minds than mine to work out lol But if left unchecked eventually someone will go over the edge, and when that happens all these arguments will become null and void. The public won't be interested in "sandboxes", the law makers won't care about "gamers needing to grow up". They will focus on the site and how it allowed people to end up in these positions.

I don't know about that or whether its even relevant to attack his education. Ad Hominem is Freshman tactics isn't it?

How would an 'anti-bullying' ect (whatever) rule or judgment in this case impact EVE, especially when a firm precedent has been established by them in favor of it.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but CCP Falcon for instance was a pirate in low-sec before obtaining his long desired position there? And may or may not have held primordial 'bonus rooms' in chat channels? The point isn't him, it's that we've always been told EVE is meant to be a harsh place.