EVE General Discussion

Example A.

Pretty sure that doesn't cover anything that happened.

Yet I and many others don't give two tugs of a dead dog's **** you think pubbies can't speak.

We speak.

We continue to speak.

We won't stop.

Deal with it.

P.S. -2edgy4mebro

Personally I don't think anyone in this situation needs to be banned.

But, without really delving into my own leanings, I believe it would instead be wiser of CCP to simply use this event as a learning experience, a catalyst for some small change or guidlines of some kind.

The freedom EVE offers, to all genres of it's players, is wonderful. But it's also obvious that (just like RL freedoms) many people struggle to handle those freedoms respectfully and responsibly. Should CCP keep letting players fall foul of their own human nature within the environment they've created and consider themselves immune from prosecution, both literal and metaphorical? I don't believe that would be a wise choice.

You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers. This includes, but is not limited to: filing support tickets with false information in an attempt to gain from it or have someone else suffer from it; sending excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or support tickets; obstructing CCP Employees from doing their jobs; refusal to follow the instructions of a CCP Employee; or implying favoritism by a CCP Employee.

You may not use any abusive, defamatory, ethnically or racially offensive, harassing, harmful, hateful, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, threatening or vulgar language. (Alternate spelling or partial masking of such words will be reprimanded in the same manner as the actual use of such words.)

You will report out-of-game issues regarding harassment, such as threatening phone calls or correspondence, to your local law enforcement officials or Internet provider. CCP will not reveal personal information about its subscribers to unauthorized individuals. We are not responsible for actions taken by our subscribers that occur outside the jurisdiction of our game servers or web site.

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Sections 1, 2, and 6 from the terms of service. As you can see the examples of harassment are things the receiving player is unable to avoid while playing EVE Online, however what happened in this situation is that the 'victim' could have stopped it at any time by leaving the team speak channel, if Erotica 1 then started to spam him with mails or conversation invites it would have been a breach of ToS but he didn't, just a few attempts at contacting him to see if he was still interested which is not harassment.

Second section, the only player being abusive was Sohkar, now this could be considered a breach in the ToS, however as the 3rd (6th) section says, since it was out of game, it would have to be given to law enforcement officials, but that would be down to your own choice as it is not required by law to report something like this to the police, however it would be within your rights to do so if you wish.

Most importantally I think we should look to this line: "We are not responsible for actions taken by our subscribers that occur outside the jurisdiction of our game servers or web site."

CCP don't have to do anything about this, partly because it was out of game, and even if it was, it wouldn't have been a breach of the ToS

That dude is definitely a highsec pubbie at heart. Yes I do the proof is in a SLAPP.

The only person to use threats was Sohkar, I have listened to the sound clip from start to finish. Erotica 1 never raised his voice and never threatened anyone, was not obscene, did not harass, was not abusive or defamatory.

Nothing that violates that section you linked no.

If there was clear violation of EULA we wouldn't have a 200+ page thread, Erotica would have been banned a month ago when he linked this soundcloud on these very forums. Long before Ripard blogged about it.

Oh well. We are allowed. Deal with it, nerd.

Good luck getting through to him. Myself and others have politely mentioned to him that his efforts to equate this dramallama fest to a "gang of rapists drugging and then raping some poor girl at a party" as one and the same is just offensive, tasteless, and really shows a lot about his character and inablity to hold a rational discussion.

Also, he does not know what the word IDENTICAL means. It's hard to communicate about issues like this when you have people like him literally comparing someone making a fool out of themselves on TS to horrific acts of real world violence. You're beating on a dead horse. He does not get it, I don't think he ever will.

In his white-knight world, everyone who does things that violate his personal moral code are evil, and can be equated with anyone else who he has found evil. There's no distinction. It's all "IDENTICAL". Black and white. 0 and 1. Binary style justice.

Lucky for us, there's plenty of adults on both sides of this issue chiming in with logical and well thought out comments, rather then the kind of insanity that Luminous has shown us for the last 200 or so pages.