EVE General Discussion

Not a moment too soon

I absolutly will. Because that's what's wonrg with people, they always want to blame others for their failures.

The problem with blaming others is that you never learn to stop doing the dumb crap you were doing.

After 40 years on this earth, I know what I'm talking about. I used to blame my Ex's for their infidelities and ruining our marriages. Then I realized that the common denominator was me. I fixed the problem by, rather than being a victim, simply refraining from marrying whores, which is why I and wife #3 just celebrated anniversery #8 where as the 1st 2 (note, also don't get married twice before you turn 22) lasted 10 months TOTAL.

So what about a forum on the Corps blog run on a third party. Even a 1-person Corp that has a blog and allows comments.

Is the awoxer not allowed to take part in any activity associated with that as part of his process?

On the deliberately done to cause psychological harm, who determines the motives?

How was Thailand?

it IS illegal (against the rules) in EVE online to be racist and homophobic. If the person who didn't break the rules (E1) should be punished, the guy who did break the rules should be punished more severly.

And death threats are illegal (against the law) everywhere I know of.

Like putting mayonnaise on a sandwich?

Wow, 200 odd pages of hyperbole, trolling and half baked philosophy over some racist loudmouth losing it on the internet.

What I want to know is if we can't scam people out of their isk the way erotica did, then what about blowing up peoples ships? Sokhar willingly participated in Erotica's game and stayed for over 2 hours with the ability to leave at any time, which he did a couple of times only to return. The guy flying the rhea in my bio didn't have that luxury because he was scrammed and webbed and outside docking range, there was no hope he was going to save his 15 bil worth of ship and goodies, so what about his feelings? He lost a lot more than Sohkar and he even had the decency to give me a "ty" in local when I popped his badly placed cyno alt. Should I be banned if he petitioned ccp with his distress over losing about $500 worth of internet space stuff to a pirate because he was stupid?

What about if I **** talked at him in local? Call him an idiot, loser etc, the usual trolling, should a petition result in a ban? What about bumping? Freighter pilots are often forced to sit for up to an hour being bumped without anyway to escape only to watch 20 cats land on him and blow him to bits, is that torture? Should bumping be bannable to avoid 'torturing' people? At the very least we can all agree it would be rather distressing. Should we ban suicide ganking because it causes a lot of distress? Just because people aren't always recorded losing it on TS doesn't make their suffering any less. Indeed there would be many an eve mail saved documenting the victims distress.

The only reason this is an issue is because Sokhar played a game he couldn't handle, lost it, then by losing it loudly, dragged his wife in. At that point it would've been 'nice' if Ero pulled the plug and gave his stuff back, purely because it was clear Sohkar wasn't coping and a third party not involved in the game became involved. But this is EVE and Ero doesn't have to be 'nice'.

Fyi, a bunch of nerd men comparing this to **** would undoubtedly be very offensive to women and comparing this to torture would be same to former pow's, torture victims, and is reason enough this joke of a thread shouldve been locked 150 pages back and the issue suppressed for being ridiculous.

Nothing can be bannable right now on the forum.

It's fairly clear that CCP's application of the rules is non-existent at the moment.

Hi everyone,

I've been staying out of this thread partially because I've already given my opinions on this matter on my blog, partially to let players hash it out without it becoming about me, and partially because I have a damn hard time following EVE-O forum threads because of the way the software is designed.

I do have to say that I'm utterly stunned at the size of this thread. Without realizing it, I've clearly tapped into a vast river of player feeling about EVE Online culture and where that culture should go in the future. I don't shy away from that. I'm glad this conversation is happening. I also want to stress right out front that I am not anti-scam, anti-suicide gank, anti-non-consensual PvP, or anti-gray areas in EVE. I am for all of these things and anyone who tells you different is lying or wrong.

But there are limits. And Erotica 1 and his "agents" have crossed them.

I want to thank everyone who sent me e-mails or EVE mails in support of my blog post. My position on this matter remains unchanged. Erotica 1 and his "agents" have no place in the EVE Online community. This isn't about scamming people. Scamming people is fine and I have no problem with it. But in the bonus room, in ten minutes the scam is OVER. The scammers have won. It's the other 135 or more minutes that I object to. Why do they have to prolong this sick, reprehensible behavior to these lengths? Why do they have to do it to dozens or hundreds of people? Why do they have to train a small army of people to do it? When is enough enough?

I feel CCP should permaban Erotica 1 and seize all of his assets to send a clear and strong message that this kind of activity will simply not be tolerated in the EVE Online community. Then turn on his "agents": temp bans, asset seizures, and negative ISK balances there. The agents will be simple enough to track down: pull Erotica 1's wallet. Assume everyone who sends him a large amount of ISK is a victim. Investigate contracts created by those victims. Anyone to whom a contract is sent is a target to be investigated.

Again, this isn't about the scams. Scams are fine. This is about sick, reprehensible behavior and psychological harassment of CCP's customers. CCP has the right to protect their customers and decide what is and what is not acceptable behavior in New Eden. CCP: please make it clear for EVE's second decade that this kind of thing is simply unacceptable in our community.

That's all. Thanks again to everyone involved in this discussion! I'm glad it's taking place. I'll continue to try to keep up as best I can.

In the EULA, under "Specifically Restricted Conduct":



Now, if Ero1's teamspeak falls under this section of the EULA, both Ero1 and the victim should be banned. Ero1 is clearly harassing other players ("behaviour intended to disturb or upset" outside of normal gameplay) and the victim is clearly making threats.

If Ero1's teamspeak isn't covered by the EULA, then it's completely up to CCP's judgement what happens next.

But you really can't say that E1 is "the person who didn't break the rules", because either they both did or they both didn't.