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Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3961 - 2014-03-26 23:06:05 UTC
Danalee wrote:
Muestereate wrote:

Erotica sends many female signals in a male processed voice. Every man, gay or straight is socialized to react to gender confusion. gays get excited I guess and straight men get angry. Victim didn't act any different that 96% of world male population does.


Darnit, missed THAT gem!

So, you are saying that Erotica1 sends out female signals which would make 96% (<- source please) of the world straight male population go on a racist/anti-gay rant AND make gay people exited in some way?

Boy oh boy, this is what people defending bigots look like than....

D.

Bear


Yes.... source, please. I, too, would like to know what study says I'm eff'd up for not reacting negatively to my more effeminate friends' "creepy" voices.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#3962 - 2014-03-26 23:06:57 UTC
Wulfy Johnson wrote:
Danalee wrote:
I am not perverted because I find it funny when stupid people driven by greed sing songs, read text or even spread mayo on their body or whatever.

I would be a pretty sick puppy if I'd condone racism, gay bashing or swearing and getting angry over internet anything.
Which camp are you in again?

D.

Bear


i like fun as much as anyone, but theres a line between sick and fun. this is nothing the victim can look back to and have a laugh about in a week or two..

Anyway you look at this, and how he got taunted and led into this social experiment leaves him as a victim of a brutally executed plan.

And its pretty common knowledge that people in panic do and say uncontrolled things..


But he's a grown man with a confirmed spouse at his side willingly going through the motions to get space rich while swearing and dropping N-bombs willy nilly... How can you not see that?

It's not only funny it's such a form of poetic justice it brings tears to my eyes!

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Upde
Upde Harris Industries
#3963 - 2014-03-26 23:07:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Upde
Navi Annages wrote:
[quote=Katkon Darnok][quote=Navi Annages][quote=Abla Tive]Hours of humiliation is clearly abuse.



Im gonna make this simple for you. I live in a foriegn country outside of CCP's jurisdiction. Right now I'm gonna print up a bunch of t-shirts with CCP logos on them. Is the EULA gonna stop me somehow?

Nah Maybe I'll take the model files for a rifter or an astero and put them into my 3-d printer and make some toys to play with while we debate. Regardless. The Eula specifically states "in the game" that does not mean they can barge into my living room and stop me from printing my own eve toys. Does this make sense to you? The context of any harassment happened outside the confines of the virtual "in the game" setting. As such it is open for E1 to take this to court if he really wants to. Justification for death threats is felony charges so....................Good riddance. Biggots and racists wear orange jumpsuits from what i understand.


its not CCPs jurisdiction that counts here, it is the law that protects their IP that would likely give them the rights to seize any products you produce using their IP if it brings their company into disrepute or causes them any financial loss. CCP aren't the police but there are laws and legislation that protect them and also on the same vein mean they have to afford "protection" to their customers / user base.
Navi Annages
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3964 - 2014-03-26 23:07:47 UTC
Katkon Darnok wrote:
Navi Annages wrote:
Katkon Darnok wrote:
Navi Annages wrote:
Abla Tive wrote:
Hours of humiliation is clearly abuse.

Abuse is clearly against the terms of service.

Violation of terms of service is legitimate grounds for banning.

Where is the confusion?


The Eula for the millionth time states "in the game" not outside the game in ts3 mumble vent facechat ect ect ect. Which part are you unsure of?


Technically, the EULA gives CCP the freedom to ban pretty much whomever they please for "inappropriate conduct". If you read it carefully it DOES state the following....

"CCP may establish Rules of Conduct (discussed below) for players accessing the System and may, but is not obligated to, monitor and take action regarding inappropriate conduct."

... And while it DOES list specific behavior-related banable offences, it doesn't state that these are the ONLY banable offences. They absolutely have the right per EULA, and - quite frankly - as a business. And no court of law would revolt against a ban in this instance. While the offense in question didn't happen "in" EVE, it 100% revolved around EVE and even involved transfer/APIs "in-game" DURING the bonus around. Any "reasonable" person would suggest that E1 attempted to explicitly avoid EULA knowing that the bonus round, as managed here, was a violation of terms and conditions. I think he even stated this explicitly.

This is not a EULA issue, it's an ethics issue.


Im gonna make this simple for you. I live in a foriegn country outside of CCP's jurisdiction. Right now I'm gonna print up a bunch of t-shirts with CCP logos on them. Is the EULA gonna stop me somehow?

Nah Maybe I'll take the model files for a rifter or an astero and put them into my 3-d printer and make some toys to play with while we debate. Regardless. The Eula specifically states "in the game" that does not mean they can barge into my living room and stop me from printing my own eve toys. Does this make sense to you? The context of any harassment happened outside the confines of the virtual "in the game" setting. As such it is open for E1 to take this to court if he really wants to. Justification for death threats is felony charges so....................Good riddance. Biggots and racists wear orange jumpsuits from what i understand.


You may have strived for simplicity, but you achieved complexity - and irrelevance. CCP can ban you for anything they deem inappropriate conduct. They can do this irrespective of where you live. I'm not sure what that has to do with printing t-shirts or making model ships. And we all know that this won't end up in court - neither party would want anyone to know who they really are, or have to explain why their actions/words were justified to a jury of their peers, or to foot the legal bills associated with a court case. So just drop the whole felony charge line of argumentation - it's irrelevant.


Oh but it is relevant. Try and Burn or BAN E1 Sohkar get's a orange jumpsuit. Even E1 could threaten CCP with this if they try and ban him. Want to talk about Bad Publicity Now? CCP would be responsible for Sohkar's going to Jail simply because they listened to a bunch of trolls try and argue E1 should be banned for his 'immoral' gameplay style while breaking no rules and or laws in the process.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8-JfK-wwFU
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#3965 - 2014-03-26 23:08:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
He's a sadistic & really creepy person.



He probably is. What i wonder is in what warped world is creepy and sadistic worse than Racist and willing to Threaten someone's life and family.


Nevermind the part where he & several other people did their best over two hours to illicit this exact response. You seem to be justifying the act with the result, which was clearly intended.



Which doesn't matter because the grown man consented to it and did not disconnect.

Erotica could have had him in TS for 10 hours, or 100. There is no excuse AT ALL for threating to do bodily harm to a man, and his family and to racially abuse people.
Josef Djugashvilis
#3966 - 2014-03-26 23:10:56 UTC
Vaju Enki wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
What Ero did probably has nothing to do with the ToS or the EULA, but a could cause some really negative publicity for CCP.


No, it's the other way around, CCP will get alot of new "good" players, this is EvE Online not some childish two digit-iq themepark carebear game.


You may think that making fun of a person's speech impediment is being an Eve tough guy, I do not.

If this means I want a childish, theme park care bear game, then I accept that description.

This is not a signature.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#3967 - 2014-03-26 23:11:05 UTC
200?

Edit: Nope. :(

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Drone 16
Holy Horde
#3968 - 2014-03-26 23:11:20 UTC
No matter how hard you beat that drum its not going to happen...ever.

You think that he would get a prison jumpsuit for words? Where are you posting from North Korea? You guys talking about laws when you haven't the slightest idea of how they are enforced.

It puts the peanutbutter on itself or it leaves the bonus round... - E1's greatest Hits
Princess Saskia
Hyperfleet Industries
#3969 - 2014-03-26 23:11:55 UTC
#swaggerjager

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Drone 16
Holy Horde
#3970 - 2014-03-26 23:12:07 UTC
200

It puts the peanutbutter on itself or it leaves the bonus round... - E1's greatest Hits
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3971 - 2014-03-26 23:12:13 UTC
Navi Annages wrote:
Try and Burn or BAN E1 and Sohkar get's a orange jumpsuit. E1 could threaten CCP with this if they try and ban him. Want to talk about Bad Publicity Now?



Gold.

E1's alt / sycophant is losing it.

NEWSFLASH - online predator threatens his victim a second time in effort to avoid banhammer.
Clara Trevlyn
Carry on Capsuleering
#3972 - 2014-03-26 23:12:27 UTC
What happened went too far. Erotica1 is sadistic. CCP needs to intervene before she implements her next scheme...
Princess Saskia
Hyperfleet Industries
#3973 - 2014-03-26 23:12:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Princess Saskia
#prettypistnerds

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Chopper Rollins
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#3974 - 2014-03-26 23:12:48 UTC
Navi Annages wrote:
..
So if your saying that this falls under now laws or EULA then why are we still debating? No laws have been broken. No EULA breached. It's another EVE day like usual. The system hasn't collapsed.


No, I'm not saying any laws,rules,EULA were broken.
Without breaking any rules, this poor sap got wound up for hours, by people who do this as much as they can, all the time.
I'm saying the victimisers crossed a line a long time ago and will go further until stopped.
It might take them hunting someone down and messing with someone's real life, or a victim flipping out and hurting someone, before this childish crap gets reigned in.
I'm okay with most of the conduct in Eve, but "Hey it didn't break the rules!" is no defence at all.

Listen to the recordings, bro, this debate still gonna rage after someone gets hurt?



Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Drone 16
Holy Horde
#3975 - 2014-03-26 23:12:59 UTC
not yet?

It puts the peanutbutter on itself or it leaves the bonus round... - E1's greatest Hits
Upde
Upde Harris Industries
#3976 - 2014-03-26 23:13:33 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
He's a sadistic & really creepy person.



He probably is. What i wonder is in what warped world is creepy and sadistic worse than Racist and willing to Threaten someone's life and family.


Nevermind the part where he & several other people did their best over two hours to illicit this exact response. You seem to be justifying the act with the result, which was clearly intended.



Which doesn't matter because the grown man consented to it and did not disconnect.

Erotica could have had in in TS for 10 hours, or 100. There is no excuse AT ALL for threating to do bodily harm to a man, and his family and to racially abuse people.



your attempting to derail the real question here is admirable.

the case in point here is whether it is an acceptable form of emergent gameplay and if what happened in TS by both parties was levelled at the ingame character / avatars or not

it is clear that the contestant went ballisitic
it is clear the E1 was not doing this for in game gain as the gain had already been made before the other stuff happened.

you should probably stop being so asinine and look at this for what it really is. Both parties acted in an out of game non EVE related way.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#3977 - 2014-03-26 23:13:34 UTC
200 damn it
AdamiaMaxima
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#3978 - 2014-03-26 23:13:40 UTC
#driving my swagon

You cant outrun death forever, but you sure can make the people trying to kill you work for it. 
Drone 16
Holy Horde
#3979 - 2014-03-26 23:13:50 UTC
sniper

It puts the peanutbutter on itself or it leaves the bonus round... - E1's greatest Hits
KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#3980 - 2014-03-26 23:14:05 UTC  |  Edited by: KnowUsByTheDead
Obligatory Pro Ero 200th Page Snipe Post.

*edit for obvious reasons.

GrrWhoever!!!!

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.