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stoicfaux
#3701 - 2014-03-26 21:06:26 UTC
Faenir Antollare wrote:
You Guy's n Gal's mostly all be a workin on da railroad, ever the yonder..

Hey now, CCP has publicly stated "emergent behavior" is one of the four pillars that EVE relies on. It's not *our* fault if CCP doesn't like what emerges and how.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#3702 - 2014-03-26 21:06:45 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Guys, its very simple.

People like E1 thrive on abuse and emotional **** of vulnerable victims.

They operate much like a pedophile ring - carefully select their victims in neutral settings, make sure the person is whom they are looking for, before luring them with well-crafted lines to an environment with no monitoring, whereupon abuse and emotional **** takes place.

These people are arguably on the same level as real-life rapists, pedophiles, pimps and drug-dealers.

How is that different from any other charitable organization?

Oh god.
Anslo
Scope Works
#3703 - 2014-03-26 21:07:13 UTC
This community has shown just how dichotomous it is. It will be interesting to see what side CCP choses. Whether by action or inaction, they will be picking a side. And it will be very interesting.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Navi Annages
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3704 - 2014-03-26 21:08:04 UTC
Jill Chastot wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
The only purpose is to humiliate the victim for as long as possible. The assets are already taken so there's no other point to it.

Completely false. It's about ISK only.

There's no ISK benefit to them continuing with the mark after they've already taken everything he had.



^ First undisputable fact i have seen in this thread. (today at least)


But what if you were to look at this differently. Minors were present in the TS3 channel while Sohkar was going through the motions of his n word hating speech. Is it really acceptable for minors to hear such derogatory remarks coming from an adult? Don't nitpick if your not gonna view the entirety of the situation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8-JfK-wwFU
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#3705 - 2014-03-26 21:08:40 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Well, though I did not expect CCP to make any kind of decision or move in the 24 hours since this scandal has exploded, I would have expected them to at least acknowledge it, and I am not talking about falcon's platitudes of "we are monitoring the situation" he has posted in several threads he has shut down. There is nothing on tweetfleet from CCP even acknowledging there is an issue.

Let's see what tomorrow brings, but it is starting to appear that CCP is just going to hunker down and try to ride out the storm. Not that I am surprised if they choose that direction. CCP has made it clear through many many of their actions what they truly think of the largest portion of their subscription base.

The next couple days will be the proof if CCP is serious about increasing their subscription base with decent human beings by cleaning up the toxic cesspool that Eve has become, or if the status quo is what they want.

I disagree about the timing. I wouldn't expect an official statement from CCP until Monday or Tuesday, IMO. CCP doesn't seem to rush when considering these PR issues, and from what I've seen (remembered) they like to have a solid, well reasoned foundation to base their decision on.





Oh, I agree that any official response / decision will take days, possibly weeks No doubt CCP has to get its ducks in a row, because this is a big deal, and can have far-reaching repercussions for the future of Eve, and CCP.

What is ominous to me is that no one outside of one CCP employee tasked with cleaning up the forums has responded in any way. I mean even acknowledging there is an issue. I am grasping for a real life analogy, and this one is not a perfect fit, but here goes:

The BP oil rig going down in the Gulf of Mexico a couple years ago.
How long did it take for the PR dept of BP to acknowledge there was a problem?
Any 1st year business student knows that you get in front of any potential issue that could lead to bad PR, as soon as possible. You acknowledge a problem may or may not exist, you are taking the issue very seriously.

In my books, if CCP was serious about this, even if they plan on doing nothing about it, Hilmar should have at the very least tweeted "we are looking closely at this situation, and deliberating". That is FAR better than ignoring the issue altogether.
Navi Annages
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3706 - 2014-03-26 21:09:18 UTC
Abla Tive wrote:
EVE terms of service...
1. You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player..

Sure seems like abuse to me.


Read the eula it specifically states "in the game".

Nice trial at a troll. Maybe you can graduate to the big leagues some day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8-JfK-wwFU
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3707 - 2014-03-26 21:09:26 UTC
Anslo wrote:
This community has shown just how dichotomous it is. It will be interesting to see what side CCP choses. Whether by action or inaction, they will be picking a side. And it will be very interesting.

Nobody seriously believes CCP could just let this slide.

CCP banned a player 30 days for making a single drunken joke about harassing a player to kill themselves.
Here we have a player who repeatedly and systematically targets players for humiliation and torment.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#3708 - 2014-03-26 21:09:34 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
I don't know why you are being willfully obtuse James. You nkow better.

I don't know why you're being willfully obtuse. You know better. You all know better.



No, you're the one defending a vicious and hateful racist who made death threats over video game assets, not us. There is never any excuse to do what he did, least of all some 'jerk' playing with them over teamspeak. Your stance here shows the same kind of immorality and irresponsibility as the so called 'victim'.
NinjaTurtle
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#3709 - 2014-03-26 21:09:36 UTC  |  Edited by: NinjaTurtle
Erotica 1 wrote:

I will be dropping out of the running, but not for any of those reasons. I totally derped and forgot that my passport is long expired. There is no way I can get a scanned copy in by the deadline now. Oh well, there's always next year. Believe it or not, if we can get past all this silly nonsense, I think most people would be surprised at how I would actually represent them pretty well. I mean, I'm totally cool with a copy of my driver's license and some agreement that if I win I just sit over here in the 'States and don't get a free trip to Iceland. In light of events, it would be cool of CCP to offer to keep my name anonymous.



Funny story, back in 2008 I went over to Iceland for the Alliance Tournament, but about a week prior to me leaving I realized that my passport was also expired. Moral of this story is one phone call, an expediting fee and four days later, I had my new passport.
Honestly expected a much better cop out from you.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#3710 - 2014-03-26 21:09:36 UTC
Anslo wrote:
This community has shown just how dichotomous it is. It will be interesting to see what side CCP choses. Whether by action or inaction, they will be picking a side. And it will be very interesting.


Absolutist thinking at it's finest.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Navi Annages
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3711 - 2014-03-26 21:10:14 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Hans Zwaardhandler wrote:
Anomaly One wrote:
if Erotica 1 gets banned
****. this. game.

You're gonna tell me that an idiot who willfully stays that long singing songs and humiliating himself deserves any kind of sympathy, so now we're gonna protect idiots? oh how sad..

and holy **** seriously 180 pages??????


The issue isn't protecting idiots (enough of them buy into scams on the market on a daily basis to fund a small African nation off of RMT). The issue is harassment of an individual. Scams are not the issue, it's people who drag stuff like this out in order to get kicks to it, which in most cases if they did this in real life, many would agree that they are "not the best person around".

Scams are a business. Harassment and public shaming of a victim via recordings of him and such should be where we draw the line in this game, if for the simple fact it makes the rest of the playerbase look terrible and nothing else. How Erotica 1 can be defended for this I fail to see as it is a detestable action to publicly name, shame, and have your recordings of people being tormented put online for others to laugh at and take pleasure in.


If I invite you onto my TS3

And I make fun of you

It is not harassment if you choose to stay and participate


^^^^
Amen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ez6wfJWVCeI < God Wills it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8-JfK-wwFU
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3712 - 2014-03-26 21:10:27 UTC
Navi Annages wrote:
Abla Tive wrote:
EVE terms of service...
1. You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player..

Sure seems like abuse to me.


Read the eula it specifically states "in the game".

Nice trial at a troll. Maybe you can graduate to the big leagues some day.

It's pretty cute, this.
How Ero 1's supporters keep vacillating about whether this was in-game or not in-game.
He was in-game when it suits his claim of no wrongdoing, and not in-game when it doesn't.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#3713 - 2014-03-26 21:10:38 UTC
It's still going \o/

Are we grinding comparisons to real life crimes and citing interwebz laws over and over again or something new emerged? :)

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#3714 - 2014-03-26 21:11:17 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
I don't know why you are being willfully obtuse James. You nkow better.

I don't know why you're being willfully obtuse. You know better. You all know better than to listen to me.

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Navi Annages
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3715 - 2014-03-26 21:12:04 UTC
Danalee wrote:
Abla Tive wrote:
EVE terms of service...
1. You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player..

Sure seems like abuse to me.


Indeed, the racial slurs, death threats and homophobic remarks were all abusive.
Sadly they were made on teamspeak so... CCP can't do anything about it X

D.

Bear


Yep the white knights sure claim harassment but forget to look at the racial slurs and the minors in the ts3 channel when it occurred.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8-JfK-wwFU
Ais Hellia
Jita Honor Industries Union
#3716 - 2014-03-26 21:12:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Ais Hellia
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:

They operate much like a pedophile


A fully grown air traffic control officer with a wife is not a child ffs


ps though when his wife appeared asking his spaceship toys back i wondered if he calls his mom for help next
Toshiro Ozuwara
Perkone
#3717 - 2014-03-26 21:12:11 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
There is a reason every human society makes a distinction between grown folks and kids.

I agree. We are all God's children.

It didn't take long to locate the tracking beacon, deep inside the quarters for sleepin' They thought they could get away Not today, it's not the way that this kid plays
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3718 - 2014-03-26 21:12:11 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
I don't know why you are being willfully obtuse James. You nkow better.

I don't know why you're being willfully obtuse. You know better. You all know better.



No, you're the one defending a vicious and hateful racist who made death threats over video game assets, not us. There is never any excuse to do what he did, least of all some 'jerk' playing with them over teamspeak. Your stance here shows the same kind of immorality and irresponsibility as the so called 'victim'.

I'm not defending anything he did or said. You must be really confused if you think that has anything to do with what we're talking about, here.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Danalee
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#3719 - 2014-03-26 21:12:47 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Navi Annages wrote:
Abla Tive wrote:
EVE terms of service...
1. You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player..

Sure seems like abuse to me.


Read the eula it specifically states "in the game".

Nice trial at a troll. Maybe you can graduate to the big leagues some day.

It's pretty cute, this.
How Ero 1's supporters keep vacillating about whether this was in-game or not in-game.
He was in-game when it suits his claim of no wrongdoing, and not in-game when it doesn't.


Don't go inventing facts, it's not befitting for a fine gentleman like you.

D.

Bear

Proud member of the Somalian Coast Guard Authority

Member and Juror of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Coffee Rocks
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3720 - 2014-03-26 21:12:51 UTC
Dear Erotica,

Long time no see o/. Since I first joined EVE, you've been in the corner of my eye. You put Erotica1 in a noob HS Aussie corp that took me in and tried to teach me a little about EVE (I believe I was 1-2 months along? tops?). For their trouble, you spied out their POS's, had beancounter (alt) Wardec them, and blew up my Cormorant. But, you also took me aside, explained that my fitting was bad and how to improve it, and kicked me ISK to help me along. This was an important lesson in the harshness I had heard about EVE, but also that - hey! maybe even the "baddies" are still respectful, well-meaning members of the EVE community, right? Right? Well sometimes yes, but...

Well, after that you still had me in private convo, so you bragged about your wallet. You flashed me a gif of the total. I asked how you managed to acquire so much. Then you start flashing me images of conversations you'd trolled out of ISK doubling schemes. Tons and tons of them. You seemed to drag these convo's out forever. I remember one I was reading, thinking at the time "Criminy... he's not preying on this guy's greed; he's getting off on this guy's loneliness and despair".

Since then, I've always kept your activities in the corner of my eye. Kind of the same way a person might keep an eye on the old neighbor that always seems to stare way too long out his bay window at the local children playing in the street. I heard about the mayo incident, the C&P threads you and your alts would troll until they were locked, the 'pod yourself to alpha clone' incident, the murmurs and rumors that you were behind scam websites like EVE-Bazaar.com, and countless other stories like these. I've seen the CODE nonsense you band about. Your CSM 'attempts'. I even saw your hissy fit when CCP restored that one guy's SP. I thought you quit the game at that point... guess that was too much to hope.

After that first encounter, you offered to take me in and teach me the ropes. I politely declined and went on my way. Why didn't I take you up on that offer? Because of those convo's you showed me. There's scamming... and then there's what you do. It's cruel. It's creepy.

Parting an idiot from his ISK? By all means - go nuts people. But that's not what you're doing. Sure, you do scam them, but as a means to an end. It's not about the scam. You want to humiliate them. Poke them. Toy with them. Make them cry.

That's not gameplay, and this behavior sure as hell has no place being 'acceptable' in my sandbox. If I'm not being clear enough, I'm saying that I agree you and your alt accounts need a swift and permanent ban.

If anyone doesn't agree with it, you are welcome to follow him out the airlock.

/ Coffee

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